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I've been reading a memoir of growing up on a Iowa farm during the Depression. And times have changed. I'm afraid if I raised my kids today, the way kids were during that time I'd have CPS all over me.

Some charges that would probaly be brought up against me

Child endangerment--some one would say making my child help me cook at age 8, chop wood, or told to walk alone to pasture to bring in the cows would have someone up in arms.

Child Neglect-because the kids wouldn't have any toys, except maybe an old baseball, reading would be a priviledge after finishing your chores

Child abuse--Whipping my kid when he's done something wrong, manual labor, letting them run barefoot from May to September, sleep in an unheated room during the winter



The book is Little Heathens, Hard Times and High Spirits on an Iowa Farm during the Great Depression by Mildred Armstrong Kalish. Wonderful book that even has a few great old recipes. I know how to make homemade marshmellows now.

Good thing we evolve.

Really, you think the spoiled brats that run amok today are better than the kids who knew responsibility and the meaning of hardwork of yesterday as evolved? Wow!

There were spoiled brats then too. I don't seeall of today's kids as that bad.I especially don't agree with "whipping" one's child. That blows.

Are we chasing each other around the board today trying to start something or what?

Nope, I started this thread because I think kids to today who think because they are forced to have a few chores, or don't the latest greatest toys think they are abused, when in fact, they have no idea.

No I'm not saying all kids are spoiled. No I'm not naive. What I am saying is that kids who grew up in earlier times, learned at an earlier age to be responsible and the meaning of hard work.

some probably didn't, but the woman in my book went to school from 9a.m. till 4 p.m. from Sept to May.

There's already a thread on FG on the whole spanking debate. If you want to discuss the merits of that, go dig it up. My opinions are already posted there.

I agree with you Sheryl, and I know where you are coming from and agree.

I don't know if anyone watched American Idol the other night, but there was a nice young man from a farm (out west I think) and my son (the oldest one) said, "man, I'd love to be him"...and I said "why, he knows what hard work is about" and my son said "I know"....

I do think a lot of kids as well as adults are spoiled with new techology and the latest gadget that can help us communicate with more people at one time (present gadget that I'm using included of course:wah:) I just think that we all need to chill a bit....

Sheryl;759801 wrote: I've been reading a memoir of growing up on a Iowa farm during the Depression. And times have changed. I'm afraid if I raised my kids today, the way kids were during that time I'd have CPS all over me.

Some charges that would probaly be brought up against me

Child endangerment--some one would say making my child help me cook at age 8, chop wood, or told to walk alone to pasture to bring in the cows would have someone up in arms.

Child Neglect-because the kids wouldn't have any toys, except maybe an old baseball, reading would be a priviledge after finishing your chores

Child abuse--Whipping my kid when he's done something wrong, manual labor, letting them run barefoot from May to September, sleep in an unheated room during the winter



The book is Little Heathens, Hard Times and High Spirits on an Iowa Farm during the Great Depression by Mildred Armstrong Kalish. Wonderful book that even has a few great old recipes. I know how to make homemade marshmellows now.


I think nowadays it's called "self entitlement". We became so worried about those that couldn't afford to eat during the depression that everyone and the government got together to help people out. But it got out of hand.



BTW, at least here, Child Welfare doesn't consider toys as a necessity. A bed, clothes, food and an education are the only things they'll get you for. That's not considered child neglect. In fact, it's probably a good thing!

Sheryl;759810 wrote: Nope, I started this thread because I think kids to today who think because they are forced to have a few chores, or don't the latest greatest toys think they are abused, when in fact, they have no idea.


your right Sheryl.

Of course its all the parents fault

that's a great book.

that's how my mom and dad grew up

RedGlitter;759806 wrote: Good thing we evolve.


INTO WHAT?

:wah::wah::wah:

WonderWendy3;759903 wrote: I agree with you Sheryl, and I know where you are coming from and agree.

I don't know if anyone watched American Idol the other night, but there was a nice young man from a farm (out west I think) and my son (the oldest one) said, "man, I'd love to be him"...and I said "why, he knows what hard work is about" and my son said "I know"....:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

I do think a lot of kids as well as adults are spoiled with new techology and the latest gadget that can help us communicate with more people at one time (present gadget that I'm using included of course:wah:) I just think that we all need to chill a bit....


My daughter called me at work the other day because her laptop wouldn't move past the blue screen when she turned it on. I told her it was probably best that I keep my attention focused on the puters at work and that i would look at her problem when I got home.

She assured me that she loved me 'anyways':D:wah:

rjwould;759812 wrote: Are you saying all kids today are spoiled and none were spoiled back then? Or are you saying people being forced to live under those conditions develop better values?



If you are saying the former I would say you sound naive, if the latter then I would say you think poor people have better values than you, and therefore we should not endeavor to accumulate money but remain generationally poor..
Define ...... "POOR"

Can you be poor and still be rich?

Is money everything?

What about values and good work ethics??



about spoiled kids...

rj, are you suggesting that the kids of yesteryear were more spoiled than today?

rjwould;759820 wrote: That's mainly because they didn't spend as much time in school...They were home more..


NOTT!!!!!



Try this test for a 8th grader in 1895 and tell me they didn't study or did not spend time in the classroom!!!!!!!!!!!



OH I think they did chores and studies too.







EXAMINATION GRADUATION QUESTIONS

OF SALINE COUNTY, KANSAS

April 13, 1895

J.W. Armstrong, County Superintendent.









Examinations at Salina, New Cambria, Gypsum City, Assaria, Falun, Bavaria, and District No. 74 (in Glendale Twp.)

Reading and Penmanship. - The Examination will be oral, and the Penmanship of Applicants will be graded from the manuscripts. ************************

GRAMMAR

(Time, one hour)

1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.

2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.

3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.

4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.

5. Define Case. Illustrate each case.

6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.

7-10 Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar. ************************

ARITHMETIC

(Time, 1 ¼ hour)





1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.

2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?

3. If a load of wheat weights 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50 cts. Per bu., deducting 1050 lbs for tare?

4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?

5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.

6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 per cent.

7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per m?

8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 per cent.

9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods?

10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt. *************************************

U.S. HISTORY

(Time, 45 minutes)

1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.

2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.

3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.

4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.

5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.

6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.

7. Who were the following: Morse, Whtney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?

8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865. *******************************************

ORTHOGRAPHY

(Time, one hour)

1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic orthogaphy, etymology, syllabication?

2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?

3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?

4. Give four substitutes for caret “u.

5. Give two rules for spelling words with final “e. Name two exceptions under each rule.

6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.

7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: Bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, super.

8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: Card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.

9. Use the following correctly in sentences: Cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.

10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication. *****************************************

GEOGRAPHY

(Time, one hour)

1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?

2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?

3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?

4. Describe the mountains of N.A.

5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall, and Orinoco.

6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.

7. Name all the republics of Europe and give capital of each.

8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?

9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.

10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give inclination of the earth.





1. Where are the saliva, gastric juice, and bile secreted? What is the use of each in digestion?

2. How does nutrition reach the circulation?

3. What is the function of the liver? Of the kidneys?

4. How would you stop the flow of blood from an artery in the case of laceration?

5. Give some general directions that you think would be beneficial to preserve the human body in a state of health. *********************************************



RULES FOR TEACHERS

1872





1. Teachers each day will fill lamps, clean chimneys.

2. Each teacher will bring a bucket of water and a scuttle of coal for the day’s session.

3. Make your pens carefully. You may whittle nibs to the individual taste of the pupils.

4. Men teachers may take one evening each week for courting purposes, or two evenings a week if they go to church regularly.

5. After ten hours in school, the teachers may spend the remaining time reading the Bible or other good books.

6. Women teachers who marry or engage in unseemly conduct will be dismissed.

7. Every teacher should lay aside from each pay a goodly sum of his earnings for his benefit during his declining years so that he will not become a burden on society.

8. Any teacher who smokes, uses liquor in any form, frequents pool or public halls, or gets shaved in a barber shop will give good reason to suspect his worth, intention, integrity and honesty.

9. The teacher who performs his labor faithfully and without fault for five years will be given an increase of twenty-five cents per week in his pay, providing the Board of Education approves



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SOURCE: The following document was transcribed from the original document in the collection of the Smoky Valley Genealogy Society, Salina, Kansas. This test is the original eighth-grade final exam for 1895 from Salina, KS. An interesting note is the fact that the county students taking this test were allowed to take the test in the 7th grade, and if they did not pass the test at that time, they were allowed to re-take it again in the 8th grade.

Great Posts BTS.

Makes you realise how good we have it now.