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CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:58 am
by RedGlitter
What's the consensus on this one? I don't think it's right myself unless the grass impairs the employee's ability to work or if smoking on the job is required. Other than that I have no issue with it.



California Court: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Thursday , January 24, 2008







SAN FRANCISCO —

Employers can fire workers found to have used medical marijuana even if it was legally recommended, the California Supreme Court ruled Thursday in another setback for California in its increasingly rancorous clash with federal law over medical pot use. The high court upheld a Sacramento telecommunications company's firing of a man who flunked a company-ordered drug test. Gary Ross held a medical marijuana card authorizing him to legally use marijuana to treat a back injury sustained while serving in the Air Force.

The company, Ragingwire Inc., successfully argued it rightfully fired Ross because all marijuana use is illegal under federal law, which does not recognize the medical marijuana laws in California and 11

other states. "No state law could completely legalize marijuana for medical purposes because the drug remains illegal under federal law," Justice Kathryn Werdegar wrote for the 5-2 majority.

The court also said the so-called Compassionate Use Act passed by California voters in 1996 had nothing to do with employment laws.

"Under California law, an employer may require preemployment drug tests and take illegal drug use into consideration in making employment decisions," Werdegar wrote.

A 2005 U.S. Supreme Court decision declared that state medicinal marijuana laws don't protect users from prosecution. The Drug Enforcement Agency and other federal agencies have been actively shutting down major medical marijuana dispensaries throughout the state over the last two years and charging their operators with serious felony distributions charges.

Ragingwire said it fired Ross because, among other reasons, it feared it could be the target of a federal raid.

The Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority and the Western Electrical Contractors Association Inc. had joined Ragingwire's case, arguing that companies could lose federal contracts and grants if they allowed employees to smoke pot.

The conservative nonprofit Pacific Legal Foundation said in a friend-of-the-court filing that employers could also be liable for damage done by high workers.

"This decision promotes employer efforts to make safe, drug-free workplaces," said Foundation lawyer Deborah LaFetra.

Ross had argued that medical marijuana users should receive the same workplace protection from discipline that employees with valid painkiller prescriptions do.

The nonprofit marijuana advocacy group Americans for Safe Access, which represents Ross, estimates that 300,000 Americans use medical marijuana. The Oakland-based group said it has received hundreds of employee discrimination complaints in California since it began tracking the issue in 2005.

Safe Access attorney Joe Elford said the group will now focus on getting the Legislature to pass a law protecting medical marijuana users in the work place.

"Obviously, we are extremely disappointed by the ruling," he said. "But we remain confident that there will be a day when medical marijuana patients are not discriminated against in the workplace."

In her dissent, Justice Joyce Kennard said the ruling was "conspicuously lacking in compassion" and "disrespects" the California medical marijuana law. She said employers should be barred from firing workers who use medical marijuana if they perform their jobs adequately.

Kennard was joined in the dissent by Justice Carlos Moreno.

The American Medical Association advocates keeping marijuana classified as a tightly controlled and dangerous drug that should not be legalized until more research is done.

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:05 am
by Santanico
Needless to say, what a load of cr@p!!!!

I personally have been smoking for years, have been known to smoke a little before work occasionallly, to have people lose their job's for medically prescribed pot use is just ridiculous! Unless it directly affects the quality of your work, I think your employer should have about the same right to sack you as they would if you liked to have a few beers after work.

Pfffft!!!

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:07 am
by Pheasy
On the surface it seems unfair to me. Although I do not really know the affect that marijuana has on a person, so I'm wondering if that could be relevant, like if someone is operating machinery or driving.



How does medical marijuana help people - I really don't know much about it.

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:13 am
by Santanico
[QUOTE=ThePheasant;764018]On the surface it seems unfair to me. Although I do not really know the affect that marijuana has on a person, so I'm wondering if that could be relevant, like if someone is operating machinery or driving.



How does medical marijuana help people - I really don't know much about it.[/QUOTE]

As far as I know, generally used as a painkiller, also for paople on chemo or who have HIV who have severe loss of appetite. Makes it a whole lot easier to eat anything

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:15 am
by RedGlitter
Also in the case of chemo, it helps control the nausea factor which is often a big side effect.

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:27 am
by Santanico
RedGlitter;764032 wrote: Also in the case of chemo, it helps control the nausea factor which is often a big side effect.


Yeah, I can personally attest to the fact that it relieves nausea. Nothing works quite like it.

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:35 am
by RedGlitter
Santanico, I sure do hope your nausea wasn't from having a need for chemo!! :(

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:39 am
by RedGlitter
Just as an aside, quite a few years back,legalizing medical marijuana was something us Arizonans voted on and PASSED. In an unprecedented measure, the officials denied the law to pass! We couldn't believe it. And their decision still stands. I don't know how they got away with it but they did. Almost as if they thought they knew better than we did what was good for us.

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:48 am
by yaaarrrgg
I think the drug screening could be in violation of HIPAA privacy laws. The people doing the testing need to get clearance before releasing that information, or else I see a bunch of lawsuits over this ... Similarly, they could be sued if they searched your urine for legal high blood pressure medicine, or chemotherapy. Not their business, or the employers. It's particularly sensitive information, since health care is bundled with the job.

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:23 am
by Santanico
RedGlitter;764041 wrote: Santanico, I sure do hope your nausea wasn't from having a need for chemo!! :(


No, thankfully! Just know that whenever I feel sick, it's one of the best things I can have for it. I don't take a lot of painkillers or aspirin, in fact, I have a multi-vitamin every day, and other than recreational use, that's the extent of my drug intake. (Not that you would call MV's a drug!)

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:25 am
by Santanico
Oh, and I like to have a couple of beers most nights...............

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:09 am
by RedGlitter
:) I'm glad to know you're okay there, Santanico!

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:47 am
by Patsy Warnick
Well, if this isn't a catch 22.

Marijuana while on the job wouldn't be any different while on the job under another prescription - such as percocet (pain) - meds for a diabetic - meds to stop smoking cigs, or cold meds, some with alcohol content.

All meds have some type of effect physically & mentally and to single out a med that the State made legal ?? I see law suits in the future here..

God - I need to light up to calm down..

Patsy

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:08 am
by Sheryl
I can see where some companies wouldn't want a person who smokes marijuana even for medical purposes on the job. There are jobs that require quick reflexes and a clear mind to get the job done safely.

But let me ask this question. If you had a job that had the potential of being dangerous, would you want to work with someone who smokes marijuana before or during the job?

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:28 am
by YZGI
Sheryl;764245 wrote: I can see where some companies wouldn't want a person who smokes marijuana even for medical purposes on the job. There are jobs that require quick reflexes and a clear mind to get the job done safely.



But let me ask this question. If you had a job that had the potential of being dangerous, would you want to work with someone who smokes marijuana before or during the job?

Do they share?

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:31 am
by Patsy Warnick
Sheryl

Do you really know anyone you work next to ??

Whats the difference whether its a coworker on Percocet

or a coworker on marijuana ?



Patsy

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:37 am
by grh
Patsy Warnick;764279 wrote: Sheryl

Do you really know anyone you work next to ??

Whats the difference whether its a coworker on Percocet

or a coworker on marijuana ?



Patsy


Not to butt in, but isn't percocet in a specific dosage? Granted someone may intentionally OD on the stuff, but if I remember my pot correctly, potency is not at all well regulated. I know it's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that when we found the good stuff, it only took a fraction of the normal amount to get a nice little buzz happening..:thinking:

It may very well be that the farms in California have the same regulations as tobacco companies have for standardizing smokes tar and nicotine content...anyone know?:confused:

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:48 am
by Sheryl
Patsy Warnick;764279 wrote: Sheryl

Do you really know anyone you work next to ??

Whats the difference whether its a coworker on Percocet

or a coworker on marijuana ?



Patsy


Both can slow down your motor skills. But I do know if I had a job that was extremely dangerous, I want my partner to be clear minded.

CALIF: Loss of Job Can Be Side Effect of Medical Marijuana

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:01 pm
by Patsy Warnick
Sheryl

I agree with you

I don't care if its a office job - I want my coworker clear minded.

We've all worked around someone in the clouds - not with the program ??

Good drugs I guess

I've never went to work under the influence of anything..

Hung over - on Mondays when I was young -yes

Grh - I'm no expert on Marijuana - but yes the potency will vary

of course thats what I remember...:-3

Percocet is so abused - usually the presc. bottle "states take as needed for pain.."

Patsy