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Apply your principles to yourself before you apply it to others................tell me what does that say to you???NOT a debate just a simple question....no more no less.

I would say to me, that means don't ask more of others than what you are willing to ask of yourself.

Carolly wrote: Apply your principles to yourself before you apply it to others................tell me what does that say to you?It sounds rather like a reversal of the heart of Christian ethics, I can't think of a line anywhere in the New Testament which comes close to that. Not even "Don't judge others or you'll be judged on the same terms yourself", if I'm allowed to paraphrase.

It's all about applying your principles to others, surely. My principles are love, doing good, giving blessings, saying prayers, peace, generosity. If I were to apply those to myself before I apply them to others I'd be terribly self-centred and selfish.

Have love for those who are against you, do good to those who have hate for you, give blessing to those who give you curses, say prayers for those who are cruel to you.

If a man gives you a blow on one side of your face, then let the other side be turned to him; from him who takes away your coat, do not keep back your robe. Give to everyone who comes with a request, and if a man takes away your property, make no attempt to get it back again. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

If you have love for those who have love for you, what credit is it to you? for even sinners have love for those who have love for them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is it to you? for even sinners do the same. And if you let those have the use of your money, from whom you are hoping to get it back, what credit is it to you? even sinners do so to sinners, hoping to get back as much as they gave.

I think it means, you shouldnt expect Manners, Kindness, Understanding, Forgivenss, Respesct, Assistance, Sympathy, Freindship, (Oh theres probably loads more i cant think of at the moment:wah:) But i think you cant expect those things from others if you do not give those things to others.

kazalala;767431 wrote: I think it means, you shouldnt expect Manners, Kindness, Understanding, Forgivenss, Respesct, Assistance, Sympathy, Freindship, (Oh theres probably loads more i cant think of at the moment:wah:) But i think you cant expect those things from others if you do not give those things to others.
:D

I think that just how you go along living your life you set an example for others. Not saying, "Look at me........I'm perfect." By just living you life.

kazalala;767431 wrote: i think you cant expect those things from others if you do not give those things to others.


I'm trying hard to match that with the original suggestion that you "Apply your principles to yourself before you apply it to others", one or the other's upside down.

Yours fails morally too though, Kaz. You're meant to do these things with no hope or expectation of reward merely because they're the right thing to do. Expecting those things from others in return negates your gift or action entirely.

Spot, when are you going to learn to not pick holes in what everybody says, by lecturing them on terminology etc. and trying to belittle them for goodness sake. You are obviously tired, so go and take a nap - there's a good chap, yes and I am a bit of a poet as well. By the way, what are you so frightened of - not showing a photo of yourself ?

Incase people have forgotten here let me tell you what I said in my first post......thankyou





Simple Question....Simple Answer



Apply your principles to yourself before you apply it to others................tell me what does that say to you???NOT a debate just a simple question....no more no less

I see and understand that Carol,

have i missed something around here :-3

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm Carol its 4.30am here and my answer is......I wouldnt have a clue Ooooooops hope Spot dosent have a go at me about that answer :driving:

kayleneaussie;767629 wrote: Ummmmmmmmmmmmm Carol its 4.30am here and my answer is......I wouldnt have a clue Ooooooops hope Spot dosent have a go at me about that answer :driving:Thats my girl:wah::wah:

Im not going to post my answer for fear of being Insulted, questioned, Intimitated or made to look downright stupid.

Sorry carol, ill email you:(

Chezzie;767636 wrote: Im not going to post my answer for fear of being Insulted, questioned, Intimitated or made to look downright stupid.

Sorry carol, ill email you:(Chez I completely understand babexx

spot;767499 wrote: I'm trying hard to match that with the original suggestion that you "Apply your principles to yourself before you apply it to others", one or the other's upside down.

Yours fails morally too though, Kaz. You're meant to do these things with no hope or expectation of reward merely because they're the right thing to do. Expecting those things from others in return negates your gift or action entirely.


No Spot you have me wrong. I do not demand others should treat me the way i treat others. What i am saying is. if you expect others to treat you that way, with respect, kindness etc. you should not expect it if you do not offer the same.

I have a big problem seeing any bad in people. even after many others have been exasperated trying to show me the bad in a person. I do get it eventually. But it never stops me from still giving respect, benefit of doubt, whatever. Thats just me. I will still continue to be the way i am regardless of how many times i do not receive the same kindness or respect.

I guess what i am saying is... i do do these things with no hope or expectation of reward merely because its the right thing to do, But you should not expect the same in return if you do not give it.

I repeat Kaz this is NOT a debate and you should not have to defend what you wrote here.I know you feel you have to sweetheart but you do not have to explain yourself on your thoughts to anyone, Remember its not you that has the problem.

Carolly;767776 wrote: I repeat Kaz this is NOT a debate and you should not have to defend what you wrote here.I know you feel you have to sweetheart but you do not have to explain yourself on your thoughts to anyone, Remember its not you that has the problem.


I know that Carol, and Thank you:-4 But you know me i do what i feel. dont worry you also know i cant be hurt anymore:D

kazalala;767778 wrote: I know that Carol, and Thank you:-4 But you know me i do what i feel. dont worry you also know i cant be hurt anymore:DI know babes......talk soon matexxx

I treat people the way I would like to be treated. If I have got cross with someone, I expect that they will get angry back at me. If I think I was wrong, I will apologize and would like people to do the same for me.

:-4

ThePheasant;767790 wrote: I treat people the way I would like to be treated. If I have got cross with someone, I expect that they will get angry back at me. If I think I was wrong, I will apologize and would like people to do the same for me.

:-4
Thanks Pheasy...good answer and straight to the point which this thread is all about.

Carolly;767398 wrote: Apply your principles to yourself before you apply it to others................tell me what does that say to you???NOT a debate just a simple question....no more no less.


I will sort myself out & get that in order before I go expecting others to do what I think they should be doing...........................yeah that sounds about right:-6

Nice to get back to normal and thanks guys.....some good comments;)

Carolly;767398 wrote: Apply your principles to yourself before you apply it to others................tell me what does that say to you???NOT a debate just a simple question....no more no less.


If, by that, you mean do unto others as you would have them do unto you, then right on - I could not agree more.

If you are saying apply your principles more strictly to your own actions than to the actions of those about you then that is how I try to live my life.

Otherwise I'm not sure I understand you

Bryn Mawr;768110 wrote: If, by that, you mean do unto others as you would have them do unto you, then right on - I could not agree more.

If you are saying apply your principles more strictly to your own actions than to the actions of those about you then that is how I try to live my life.

Otherwise I'm not sure I understand you Bryn you have it love;)

Now that I am awake Bryn said it for me:-6

kayleneaussie;768136 wrote: Now that I am awake Bryn said it for me:-6 Lying git....you dont even know what he means ffs:rolleyes::wah::wah:

Carolly;768141 wrote: Lying git....you dont even know what he means ffs:rolleyes::wah::wah:


I DO SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IAM I VERY EDUCATED WOMAN I WILL HAVE YOU KNOW:p

Carolly;767398 wrote: Apply your principles to yourself before you apply it to others................tell me what does that say to you???NOT a debate just a simple question....no more no less.


There are a lot of replies to this thread and I haven't read any.

Simple answer? My first thought was to learn how to masturbate well before having sex. :wah:

koan;768383 wrote: There are a lot of replies to this thread and I haven't read any.

Simple answer? My first thought was to learn how to masturbate well before having sex. :wah:


oooo:wah::wah: I never thought of that:D

kazalala;768407 wrote: oooo:wah::wah: I never thought of that:D


You're not allowed to comment on the posts, Kaz. In case you've forgotten here let me tell you what Carolly said in her first post......thank you.

Simple Question....Simple Answer

Not a debate, just a simple question. No more no less.

spot;768410 wrote: You're not allowed to comment on the posts, Kaz. In case you've forgotten here let me tell you what Carolly said in her first post......thank you.

Simple Question....Simple Answer

Not a debate, just a simple question. No more no less.


So why did you start a debate with me then:-3

kazalala;768414 wrote: So why did you start a debate with me then:-3


I entirely misunderstood the meaning of the word "debate" until I was brought up short by this rather trivial ambush, up until then I'd thought I was engaging in discussion. Now I know what it means I'm merely pointing it out. I'm all in favour of people who start threads having a guiding hand in what happens inside them if they've set preconditions in the opening post.

Carolly;768415 wrote: Oh Koan dont say stuff like that infront of Kay ffs:rolleyes::wah:;)


:o I am so innocent. Ohhhhhhhhhh drats Spot is about I am off and running:driving:

spot;768416 wrote: I entirely misunderstood the meaning of the word "debate" until I was brought up short by this rather trivial ambush, up until then I'd thought I was engaging in discussion. Now I know what it means I'm merely pointing it out. I'm all in favour of people who start threads having a guiding hand in what happens inside them if they've set preconditions in the opening post.


Stop ambushing people then:-5:p

Debate, discussion, same thing innit:-3

kazalala;768418 wrote: Stop ambushing people then:-5:p

Debate, discussion, same thing innit:-3


So I've learned. I'm sorry the FOCers are on their high horse but I don't think much of their manners.

Not (to save an avalanche of comment) that mine are anything to write home about on occasion.

spot;768421 wrote: So I've learned. I'm sorry the FOCers are on their high horse but I don't think much of their manners.

Not (to save an avalanche of comment) that mine are anything to write home about on occasion.

You said it:wah: Im not on a high horse its too scary, im on a little donkey:rolleyes:

Right at this point the lady is coming round with the ice creams so Im going to sing........................The hills are alive with the sound of music......with songs they have sung for a thousand years...........oh dear dont remember any more:-1oh well back to the happy hour and sensible answers:rolleyes::wah:

spot;768421 wrote: So I've learned. I'm sorry the FOCers are on their high horse but I don't think much of their manners.

Not (to save an avalanche of comment) that mine are anything to write home about on occasion.


I think I have very good manners

I came on FG for many reasons but mainly to have fun.I did not come on here to start rows or heavy debates. Ok maybe I have made some mistakes along the way but Im only human and guess abit stupid at times.Yes I put my hand up at that. I mainly just want to "play" with my friends here.Spot I know you are trying to tear this thread apart as I knew you would when I put it here as I truely believe that you really dont like the person behind your screen that you dont even know and that is why I said about no debates .lYou say quote that we have no manners and we are on our high horse.Please dont say that I have no manners...well as I have already said you dont even know me.And if sticking up for ourselves and our friends mean being on our high horses.....well thats fine I guess.Now will you PLEASE leave us alone Spot and then you wont have to put up with anything from us unless you just want to carry on trying to upset just a few women trying to enjoy themselves.You have lots of better threads on this forum you know then to worry about anything we may put on and one that is not hurting anybody.

i think this means,not to give principles to others to live by if you dont live by them yourself.bareing in mind i should have some idea of its true intention as i was its originator!lol.......or rather my father was by his actions!

Jester;768527 wrote: I'm guessing it means... you can't hold others accountable for what you dont hold yourself accountable to first...

In short, don't be a hypocrit.Very true Jester.

hoxtonchris;768529 wrote: i think this means,not to give principles to others to live by if you dont live by them yourself.bareing in mind i should have some idea of its true intention as i was its originator!lol.......or rather my father was by his actions!You are such an old bragger:rolleyes::wah:;)

Pots calling kettles, Carol ?:wah::rolleyes::D

[QUOTE=G#Gill;768733]Pots calling kettles Carol ?:wah:/QUOTE]

kettles calling Gill??:wah::wah::rolleyes::p

ThePheasant;767790 wrote: I treat people the way I would like to be treated. If I have got cross with someone, I expect that they will get angry back at me. If I think I was wrong, I will apologize and would like people to do the same for me.

:-4


What pheasy said.....i haven't got a mind of my own....:wah:

maybe it just means ...

"if you can't say nothin' nice

don't say nothin' at all"