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I have suffered from lower back pain since my twenties ¦ as did my father and his father before him. The onset of pain usually follows an incident or activity where I lifted and moved a heavy object of some sort.

I believe I have tried every known treatment available including manipulation, cold and hot compresses (including packs of frozen vegetables), exercise, prescription drugs and over - the - counter medications including nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. I have tried acupuncture as well as transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS) administered by a battery-powered device. In fact about a the only thing I have not tried is a surgical procedure ¦ most likely because I am a scaredy cat.

This week we had no less than three public holidays here so I decided to plant some shrubs in terracotta pots on the paved braai area next to my townhouse. So Friday I planted nine and after lugging the shrubs, potting soil and pots around ¦ that night my back was pretty painful. All day Saturday something bothered me about the arrangement of the pots ¦ it wasn’t balanced! So this morning I drive to the nursery and buy another five pots and another five shrubs and plant them ¦ talk about a dumbass!

And that is why October gives me backache because according to my horoscope: “Libra governs the lumbar region, lower back and kidneys. Its subjects must beware of weaknesses in the back." Also: "The symbol associated with your sign is the scales of balance representing the balance that you continually seek in your self and your life.

Why couldn't i just have stuck to this: Traditional Libra Traits: Diplomatic and urbane .. Romantic and charming .. Easygoing and sociable .. Idealistic and peaceable!

Doesn't say "be a gardener" anywhere!



Jj:-4



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Libras seek balance in all that they do, they try to balance form, content,colors and the elements, which is probably why you couldn't resist buying those other plants!:wah:

but that's not all bad because it also draws you toward creative endeavors so you have it to thank in part for your wonderful talent as a writer! :-4

Hope6;856217 wrote: Libras seek balance in all that they do, they try to balance form, content,colors and the elements, which is probably why you couldn't resist buying those other plants!:wah:

but that's not all bad because it also draws you toward creative endeavors so you have it to thank in part for your wonderful talent as a writer! :-4




thank you miss georgia!!! mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

Jj:-4

I like odd

I don't like 4 plant on this side & 4 on the other, must be a Virgo thing ??

I've had back surgery L5, s1 1996, wonderful at first - due for a tune up

my back still kills me - I've tried everything

Good Luck JJ

Patsy

I was in bed 6 months unable to move.....started off with my slip disc but then other things happend.....including my muscles wasting away.Back problems are so hard to deal with at times as the pain can be so unbearable, anybody who suffers with this problem indeed has my sympathy.

Patsy Warnick;856231 wrote: I like odd

I don't like 4 plant on this side & 4 on the other, must be a Virgo thing ??

I've had back surgery L5, s1 1996, wonderful at first - due for a tune up

my back still kills me - I've tried everything

Good Luck JJ

Patsy


must be honey ... i am way too chicken for surgery .. always think i will wake up in a wheelchair!!!

backache sux big time!!!!

Jj:-4

This non surgical treatment has helped my husband who TG right now is pain free:

http://www.spineuniverse.com/article/article1180.html Wishing you the best in finding some relief from this.

Carolly;856244 wrote: I was in bed 6 months unable to move.....started off with my slip disc but then other things happend.....including my muscles wasting away.Back problems are so hard to deal with at times as the pain can be so unbearable, anybody who suffers with this problem indeed has my sympathy.


you are so right carol ... backache is really really painful and very difficult to get any relief from unless you happy to walk around drugged up all the time!

Jj:-4

Trunk Monkey;856251 wrote: This non surgical treatment has helped my husband who TG right now is pain free:

http://www.spineuniverse.com/article/article1180.html Wishing you the best in finding some relief from this.




thanx Pj ... i shall check out that link asap!

Jj:-4

jones jones;856262 wrote: you are so right carol ... backache is really really painful and very difficult to get any relief from unless you happy to walk around drugged up all the time!

Jj:-4JJ painkillers where real back pain is concerned are a waste of time.I say real........ meaning to the point where you just cant move at all because of the pain.

jones jones;856265 wrote: thanx Pj ... i shall check out that link asap!

Jj:-4
Welcome and it has really helped my husband. He went through all the things you mentioned and nothing helped him. He also was afraid of surgery. With the lumbar blocks, he can now even chop wood and do all the things he used to be able to do. Again, I wish you the best in finding the treatment that will work for you.

JJ

A Nerve Block is what got me into my back mess

No Thank You - you will be in a wheel chair

Dr's use a epideral needle into your spine - No Thank You

Go get a back massage - relax

Patsy

Patsy Warnick;856315 wrote: JJ

A Nerve Block is what got me into my back mess

No Thank You - you will be in a wheel chair

Dr's use a epideral needle into your spine - No Thank You

Go get a back massage - relax

Patsy




Dr's use a epideral needle into your spine!!!!! :-1 :-1 :-1

OMG! .... thanx for the warning patsy!!

nobody is gonna put no needle in ol Jj's spine thank you very much!!!!

Nothing worse that spinal pain, or back pain I know been down both roads. I have cadaver bone in parts of my cerival spine at c4,c5,c6,c7 I have had shoulder surgery, carpal tunel surgery on both hands and arthritis in my spine. Pain is my constant enemy daily. Sad to say there is no miracle cure for any of this just constant hard work on my part to keep the pain at bay.

When I get lazy as I am now an put on a few pounds my entire back suffers daily. When I pay attention to what my body is telling me and do my exercises that keep my stomach muscles in shape my back doesn't hurt. I learned the hard way the key to back pain is your stomach muscles the more fit they are the less back pain I have. It remember this that's the hard part. :-5

jones jones;856320 wrote: Dr's use a epideral needle into your spine!!!!! :-1 :-1 :-1

OMG! .... thanx for the warning patsy!!

nobody is gonna put no needle in ol Jj's spine thank you very much!!!!


I had an epideral when i had Jacob, JJ, they put a needle in my back and it's not that bad! but then i have a high pain threashold so maybe it's just me!:wah::wah:

jones jones;856320 wrote: Dr's use a epideral needle into your spine!!!!! :-1 :-1 :-1

OMG! .... thanx for the warning patsy!!

nobody is gonna put no needle in ol Jj's spine thank you very much!!!!


If you go to the link I have provided, the sympathetic nerve block is not a needle placed in your spine. An epidural is and they are not the same. Is there a needle involved in your back next to the spine? The answer is yes. Did it help my husband? The answer is yes. This link was not meant to give you medical advice, I just wanted you to know that this block has helped my husband. This was just a post for something perhaps you could ask your doctor about and get his feedback as to if this might be something that could help you. My husband has been pain free for over 4 years now. Once again, good luck to you.

Jj I understand your concern and if you can avoid it then more power to you. I will say this procedure dose work miracles for some chronic back pain suffers, and those with severe spinal (disc) issues who don't want to undergo surgery. Once again as TM said it is for you to decide.

[QUOTE]nobody is gonna put no needle in ol Jj's spine thank you very much!!!![/QUOTE]

Trunk Monkey;856348 wrote: If you go to the link I have provided, the sympathetic nerve block is not a needle placed in your spine. An epidural is and they are not the same. Is there a needle involved in your back next to the spine? The answer is yes. Did it help my husband? The answer is yes. This link was not meant to give you medical advice, I just wanted you to know that this block has helped my husband. This was just a post for something perhaps you could ask your doctor about and get his feedback as to if this might be something that could help you. My husband has been pain free for over 4 years now. Once again, good luck to you.




of course Pj ... i shall check anything out that may help me ....

Jj:-4

CARLA;856377 wrote: Jj I understand your concern and if you can avoid it then more power to you. I will say this procedure dose work miracles for some chronic back pain suffers, and those with severe spinal (disc) issues who don't want to undergo surgery. Once again as TM said it is for you to decide.




thank you carla ... i will consider all options ...

Jj:-4

Hope6;856339 wrote: I had an epideral when i had Jacob, JJ, they put a needle in my back and it's not that bad! but then i have a high pain threashold so maybe it's just me!:wah::wah:


well if you can do it then i guess i can too georgia! except they say that women can edure pain better than men ... is that true?

Jj:-4

jones jones;856421 wrote: well if you can do it then i guess i can too georgia! except they say that women can edure pain better than men ... is that true?

Jj:-4


well it's been said by some that women can naturally endure more pain than men because they have to deal with childbirth, but i don't know for sure. all i know is myself. :wah::wah:

JJ

read the article - X-ray is used for the exact area/nerve

so the DR can use a needle into your spine.

This is to deaden that nerve - eventually this dead nerve will make one over due themselves and now its a Disc or several.

remember this dead nerve supplied something else in your body, which will show up when your 60.

I had a surgery 1995 - a epidural was used - used improperly - injured my back

after several bandaid remedies - back surgery 1996, for suicidal pain....

Never again will any needle be near my spine - for any remedy

There are no answers for back/spine pain - its a individual tolerance to pain, and where that pain will lead ya. It led me to back surgery in 96, eventually the pain will again be too much.

Good luck JJ, get a hour back massage

Patsy

I have 3 ruptured discs in my lower back and I had acupunture done by a doctor. I wouldnt have it done unless he was a doctor also. I have been virtually pain free for 20 years. Of course I dont go lugging around heavy pot plants:mad:

You have to know your limits jj and dont go lifting really heavy stuff.

How about progressive muscle relaxation? You've probably tried that already but it's good to release tension if you do it on a regular basis.

Now regarding the OCD plant issue. A couple of hours of cognitive behavioural therapy might help there.

I had a libra boyfriend when I was 12 and I hated him with a passion. I've never dated a libra guy since, not even tried. I actually laughed out loud when I thought about it where it had it's beginnings. :p

Patsy Warnick;856553 wrote: JJ

read the article - X-ray is used for the exact area/nerve

so the DR can use a needle into your spine.

This is to deaden that nerve - eventually this dead nerve will make one over due themselves and now its a Disc or several.

remember this dead nerve supplied something else in your body, which will show up when your 60.

I had a surgery 1995 - a epidural was used - used improperly - injured my back

after several bandaid remedies - back surgery 1996, for suicidal pain....

Never again will any needle be near my spine - for any remedy

There are no answers for back/spine pain - its a individual tolerance to pain, and where that pain will lead ya. It led me to back surgery in 96, eventually the pain will again be too much.

Good luck JJ, get a hour back massage

Patsy




thanx patsy ... i will have a long look at all your suggestions ...

Jj:-4

kayleneaussie;856600 wrote: I have 3 ruptured discs in my lower back and I had acupunture done by a doctor. I wouldnt have it done unless he was a doctor also. I have been virtually pain free for 20 years. Of course I dont go lugging around heavy pot plants:mad:

You have to know your limits jj and dont go lifting really heavy stuff.




hi kaylene me darlin ... it was them pot plants that done it! no more lifting for a while ...

Jj:-4

I've had several back pains due to childbirth:D, but sometimes if I bend the wrong way, ouch, ouch:(, uggh.

jennyswan;856688 wrote: How about progressive muscle relaxation? You've probably tried that already but it's good to release tension if you do it on a regular basis.

Now regarding the OCD plant issue. A couple of hours of cognitive behavioural therapy might help there.

I had a libra boyfriend when I was 12 and I hated him with a passion. I've never dated a libra guy since, not even tried. I actually laughed out loud when I thought about it where it had it's beginnings. :p




hi jennyswan from irelend ...

i have tried so many different treatments for my back pain that i can no no longer remember which i have tried and which not ... if i haven't yet done the progressive muscle relaxation one then i surely will ... thank you ...

i do not believe that the plant thing is obsessive compulsive but simply more of a desire for balance in my life ...

i am so sad about your libra boyfriend as such a strong negative feeling as hatred should not really be a part of anyone's make-up .... expressing love towards people brings far far better rewards ...

as for never having dated a libra guy nor even tried ... blue is the colour of the libran and men who love blue are like concert pianists, delicately ravaging their partner like they would play a baby grand ... just imagine what you've missed!

have an awesome day!

Jj:-4

qsducks;856943 wrote: I've had several back pains due to childbirth:D, but sometimes if I bend the wrong way, ouch, ouch:(, uggh.




you gotta bend at the knees ducks and then the ouch ouch will be much less!!!



Jj:-4

jones jones;856987 wrote: hi jennyswan from irelend ...

i have tried so many different treatments for my back pain that i can no no longer remember which i have tried and which not ... if i haven't yet done the progressive muscle relaxation one then i surely will ... thank you ...

i do not believe that the plant thing is obsessive compulsive but simply more of a desire for balance in my life ...

i am so sad about your libra boyfriend as such a strong negative feeling as hatred should not really be a part of anyone's make-up .... expressing love towards people brings far far better rewards ...

as for never having dated a libra guy nor even tried ... blue is the colour of the libran and men who love blue are like concert pianists, delicately ravaging their partner like they would play a baby grand ... just imagine what you've missed!

have an awesome day!

Jj:-4


So what is your take on a Scorpian man and a Pisces woman?

How's:-4 this ducks??

Jj

High emotions and elaborate displays from one of the most sensuous combinations of all.

For Scorpio: This is not bad. Probably the most erotic sexual combination. The Fish is willing to be a part of your whims and desires, and that makes for a lasting union.

For Pisces: This is a highly sexual union. You love to be possessed and cared for with the deep, warm affection that the Scorpion can provide. Truly a match made in heaven.

A lasting mating. Scorpio’s strength compliments Pisces indecisiveness. Pisces imagination sparks Scorpio’s creativity. Great sexually. Both compliment each other.

jones jones;857019 wrote: How's:-4 this ducks??

Jj

High emotions and elaborate displays from one of the most sensuous combinations of all.

For Scorpio: This is not bad. Probably the most erotic sexual combination. The Fish is willing to be a part of your whims and desires, and that makes for a lasting union.

For Pisces: This is a highly sexual union. You love to be possessed and cared for with the deep, warm affection that the Scorpion can provide. Truly a match made in heaven.

A lasting mating. Scorpio’s strength compliments Pisces indecisiveness. Pisces imagination sparks Scorpio’s creativity. Great sexually. Both compliment each other.


I believe you just described my marriage partner and myself with the most elaborate description I've heard to date. Yup, been together for 23 yrs.:-4

Now what is your zodiac sign Jj?:D

qsducks;857044 wrote: Now what is your zodiac sign Jj?:D




i was born on 13 october honey! that makes me a ...... ?



Jj:-4

jones jones;857086 wrote: i was born on 13 october honey! that makes me a ...... ?



Jj:-4


Libra. My son is 10/18 - another one.:wah: Very good natured in my book, but can get a little testy concerning his sister and brother who are both Cancer the crabs. Get's along nicely with the Sagitarus sister though.:-4

Patsy Warnick;856315 wrote: JJ

A Nerve Block is what got me into my back mess

No Thank You - you will be in a wheel chair

Dr's use a epideral needle into your spine - No Thank You

Go get a back massage - relax

Patsy


I get a lumbar epidural twice a year due to having arthritis in my spine.

I'm very glad to say that it works fine for me so far.

It doesn't work for everyone though.

JJ- I understand where you are coming from with your back pain.

It sucks

I hope you find something that works for you :-6:-4

Libra with Gemini

Compatibility Score - 10/10 :-4 :-4



Your two moon signs are 120 degrees apart in a Trine angle. There will usually be a great understanding and respect between the two of you in this relationship. It is likely that you will both have similar desires and motivations.

You may share a great understanding, opinion and have tremendous respect for each other. Your Moon signs indicate that you are extremely well matched. Gemini is typically a Moon sign of sociability, charm and wit, and communication; Libra is a Moon sign of charm, tact, harmony and well-being.





Libra with Aquarius

Compatibility Score - 9/10 :-4



Your two moon signs are 120 degrees apart in a Trine angle. There will usually be a great understandingand respect between the two of you in this relationship. It is highly likely that you will both have similar desires and motivations.

You may share considerable understanding and opinion, along with respect for each other. Your Moon signs indicate that you are well matched. Libra is typically a Moon sign of friendship, charm and tact, and elegance, while an Aquarius Moon is one of flair, originality and humanitarian sincerity. Together you each may find long-term success in this relationship.

pinkchick;857173 wrote: I get a lumbar epidural twice a year due to having arthritis in my spine.

I'm very glad to say that it works fine for me so far.

It doesn't work for everyone though.

JJ- I understand where you are coming from with your back pain.

It sucks

I hope you find something that works for you :-6:-4


i am prepared to try anything PC ... but if its anything like "lumbar" ... i go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! and run ... i am such a wuss!!!



Jj:-4

jones jones;857213 wrote: i am prepared to try anything PC ... but if its anything like "lumbar" ... i go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! and run ... i am such a wuss!!!



Jj:-4


I wasn't keen on the idea to begin with JJ but I got to the point where I couldn't walk 2 feet withour severe pain. I was willing to try anything...

I can't remember from your OP - have you been for physio??

pinkchick;857226 wrote: I wasn't keen on the idea to begin with JJ but I got to the point where I couldn't walk 2 feet withour severe pain. I was willing to try anything...

I can't remember from your OP - have you been for physio??




i have honey ... the thing is that i am reasonably okay until i lift ... push ... or pull anything heavy ... damn! must be a lesson in there somewhere!!!

Jj:-4

jones jones;857248 wrote: i have honey ... the thing is that i am reasonably okay until i lift ... push ... or pull anything heavy ... damn! must be a lesson in there somewhere!!!

Jj:-4


Yeah!

Stop lugging big heavy pots with shrubs in!

pinkchick;857279 wrote: Yeah!

Stop lugging big heavy pots with shrubs in!




the pots on the paving near the braai are in perfect balance honey and so is Jj at

the moment ... :-4

Hi Jj!

what about Libra and Virgo?:wah::wah:

Hope6;857387 wrote: Hi Jj!

what about Libra and Virgo?:wah::wah:




that goes without saying honey ... :-4



Jj:-4