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Oh, what a night. My son Quin who is 7 and his little friend Jordan who is 5 were happily playing on the sidewalk tonight and then the dirtball neighbor across the street sends her son and his friend out to play with them. Now, the dirtballs son says to Quin "is Jordan your girlfriend, and do you sleep together"? Mind you dirtballs son is also 7. My son came home and wanted to know what it all meant.

In the meantime, poor Jordan is left standing there on the sidewalk with these two morons asking her all sorts of inappropriate questions such as "are you going to strip naked for us, do you get in on with Quin, do you like it"? Her parents & I were throwing a hissy fit.

We knocked at the dirtballs house for his mom to come to the door and what does she do? She hides and turns all the lights off in the house. Finally, I went home as I had to put Quin to bed as he was as upset as I was. The cops came and went straight into the house and finally after 3 hrs. the mom comes out with her baby and claims "I'm so sorry officer for taking up your time".

Nada to the neighbor's children her son just insulted. Oh, I'm so pissed off right now. What would you have done? Needless to say I've instructed my boy to stay away from that kid and if he comes near Quin to run and get me.

Is arson illegal in your neck of the woods? How but lynchings? :-3

Dewey2Me1MoThyme;908625 wrote: Is arson illegal in your neck of the woods? How but lynchings? :-3


Lynchings, yes. I doubt they would know an arson happened. The baby was in some kind of rocker on the floor watching tv and crying, and where is her mom. Oh yeah, hiding behind the door. Oh, it's pathetic.

qsducks;908628 wrote: Lynchings, yes. I doubt they would know an arson happened. The baby was in some kind of rocker on the floor watching tv and crying, and where is her mom. Oh yeah, hiding behind the door. Oh, it's pathetic.


Makes one proud to be part of the human race dew it not? :-5

Dewey2Me1MoThyme;908630 wrote: Makes one proud to be part of the human race dew it not? :-5


I think that's the problem as they are not even remotely part of the human race as they can't stand confrontation. They hide. And if they do get confronted, it's always "someone else's fault".

Hi, I am new my name is Southern Yankee. I don't blame you for getting so upset. Some people just don't see what they are doing to their children. i worked in day care and drove a bus for around 25 years. What i would hear the kids talking about on the bus would nearly floor me.These were:( kids 1st through 5th. I am far from a prude. But some things they would say. Would make a hooker blush.

We try our best to raise our kid's with morals and kidness. Then there is someone or something out there. Who is trying to drag them down to their level. Being a good parent is the hardest job in the world. Some parents are afraid of work. So their kids suffer for it. well good luck. Just talk to your child. Whenever he has the need. being there is one of the biggest parts of the job.

Nice to meet you southern yankee

Yes nice to meet you too Southern Yankee? I just really needed to vent especially when the so called mom went into virtual hiding. I'm having a beer and calming down. Man, I was so mad at that idiot. So, where are you originally from and I'm guessing the Northeast?

qsducks;908639 wrote: Yes nice to meet you too Southern Yankee? I just really needed to vent especially when the so called mom went into virtual hiding. I'm having a beer and calming down. Man, I was so mad at that idiot. So, where are you originally from and I'm guessing the Northeast?


I'll go with VA for my guess

Dewey2Me1MoThyme;908641 wrote: I'll go with VA for my guess


I was thinking above the Pennsylvania line.:wah:

I'm unclear as to who called the Police? We had a similar incicent with my granddaughter. Her father called the Police and they spent about an hour at the house of the parents of the kids who caused the problem. A report was filed and the kids were told to stop their torment of the kids in the neighborhood. Lucky for us the have now moved the pressure from all the neighbors was to much for them.

Apparently the daughter who lives there and is mildly retarded has two brother's who have "ties to the community" and her father used to work for the borough and is now deceased. It is annoying when the neighbors call into the borough for a little help get either ignored or "it's our fault". We look at it as "they always get away with it". Can't stand it anymore. And then this cr*p happens tonight. At our wits end and their are now 4 neighbors involved with this bs.

The mildly retarded daughter has the idiot with the rude kid living there along with her other 2 children, her mother and sister.

I'll say New Jersey - no Pennsylvania

qducks

I would say the whole family is mildly off balance..

It's interesting how the protective Motherly instincts kick in

so you called the cops? and the out come was nothing they can do but keep order in the neighborhood because qducks just turned into Taz..:wah:

joke

there will always be those kind of kids - work on the Taz.

Patsy

Yo back off dudes/dudettes I didn't call the cops. I didn't even bother with those nutjobs. The little girl Jordan's parents called them.

awwwwwwwww Ducky! i'm sorry you had all that trouble tonight!

i don't blame you a bit for being angry and upset!

People called the cops cause neighbors are at the door?

Very strange

just answer the damn door & talk.

Patsy

There is a small rental home kitty corner from our home where at least 10 adults live and 2 small children, the cops think its a crack house which we have all been sure of for some thyme now. About the only thyme you see the kids is around 1 to 3 am when the so called adults sober up and come outside to yell at whoever drives by, shoot off their mouths at each other, slam and bang doors, fight or what have you. The few thymes we have seen the kids (both 4 years old or younger) outside in the daylight the so called grown ups are yelling at them to get the ******* in the yard or get the ******* in the house, or put that ********** bike back ... on and on ...

The other night 2 of the males decided to fight, but of course they had to come smack dab in front of our walkway to dew it at 3 am. I went out and yelled at them, got right up in their faces but they were so high they didn't even know that I was there. My wife called the cops but they did nothing because the 2 in question said they were fine now. Good grief Charlie Brown. Then one of the females started bad mouthing us to some passersby so I went and got in to her face and told her if she felt the need to talk about me, to dew it to my face.

If they thiought this little skinny white dude was scared of them, they found out different that night because I was in everyones face including the sissy arse cop's.

What's a dirtball?

I can only find two obscure-dictionary definitions, the computer jargon file which says it's "a small, perhaps struggling outsider" and the Urban Dictionary which says it's a Mexican.

I've never heard it used before.

Dirtball is American slang for a lowlife or criminal, or someone who is ignorant or a jerk.

kind of a milder form of scumbag if you've ever heard that term.

Dirtball--Describes what is essentially a useless human being whose very presence demeans the beauty in our world. A lowlife.

Ducky, I'm sorry you went through this tonight...I could tell countless stories of neighbors in my past that caused me a LOT of trouble and loss of sleep...not to mention money and the loss of a car (kids decided to take my hose and turn it on in my car and flooded my car and totalled it....IN my driveway while we weren't home....the kids at the time were 7 and 9 years old and the parents got mad at ME for calling the cops!:-5)

I hope things get better for you, I would of been very upset also if I would've heard those horrible things being said to your child and his friend....its a shame that not everyone holds higher standards for raising children.:-1

I may have a rose-tinted unrealistic view of relationships but I don't recall living with neighbours who didn't all set aside their preconceptions and work together to get the best result for everyone in circumstances like this. That's why it's called a neighbourhood. Once there's a division into us and them the only result is that the remaining cooperative neighbourhood turns out to be too small to solve its collective problems.

In England the basic unit would be the street, for at least ten houses in each direction and both sides. If a family lived there they would be part of the help system, if they needed help they'd be helped, the one bunch of people you could rely on would be that bunch because you didn't get to choose who they were, they just existed in that relationship to you. This assumption was true in every street I've lived on, it seems self-destructive not to make that level of group help work for a problem family who obviously need it.

spot;908687 wrote: I may have a rose-tinted unrealistic view of relationships but I don't recall living with neighbours who didn't all set aside their preconceptions and work together to get the best result for everyone in circumstances like this. That's why it's called a neighbourhood. Once there's a division into us and them the only result is that the remaining cooperative neighbourhood turns out to be too small to solve its collective problems.

In England the basic unit would be the street, for at least ten houses in each direction and both sides. If a family lived there they would be part of the help system, if they needed help they'd be helped, the one bunch of people you could rely on would be that bunch because you didn't get to choose who they were, they just existed in that relationship to you. This assumption was true in every street I've lived on, it seems self-destructive not to make that level of group help work for a problem family who obviously need it.


You're lucky Spotalicious, because in general that's not the way the world works anymore. We have a whole new estate thats been built at the end of our road. The flats are 4 storeys high and 10% of them have been given to low income families. Included in that group are the scroungers and scumbags who collect all the benefits available and think the world owes them a living. My other halfs mate lives in that block and he says that the 2 families who are total scroungers tend to sleep all day and be up all night shouting, screaming, playing loud music, drinking and fighting. The police just try to keep the peace and let it go. :-5

One of the local councils did try putting all the rowdy trouble-making families onto one estate once but it became a black hole where all the local cars were petrol-bombed and even the houses received arson attacks! I think if people want to be that bloody-minded then there's not a lot the police can do. They just move the families around to new properties every so often.

I have an 8-year-old in my class who drools over pictures of scantily-clad women in newspapers. He's barely literate and he has a father who does exactly the same, showing his son photo's from newspapers and magazines and saying "Cor, look at 'er son, I'd give 'er one!" So both sons come to school and reiterate that exact same behaviour! The other kids can't stand this boy who is rude (foul-mouthed) and always kicking and punching the other kids. He says disgusting things to the girls to upset them. He's always being punished and missing out on treats and this week he got so many black marks his parents were called in. But the father isn't interested and he and both sons treat the mother like a doormat, so she just cowers and does nothing.

I have 3 illiterate boys in my class and when you ask them what they want to be when they grow up they say "Nuffin. Um jus' gonna sign on the dole, innit?" They're all bullies, 2 refuse point blank to do any work and they all swear like troopers. The only weird thing is that if anyone hurts them or calls them names then they just burst into tears! They obviously have feelings but it's nearly impossible to get through to them. One kid says his dad can't read and write and says he doesn't need to either because he's going to be a fighter when he grows up so he doesn't need to learn to read and write. He's the nicest of the 3 but we don't see him too much as for every day he's in school he misses 2-3 days of it. He also gets absolutely no help or encouragement at home. He's also one of 7 kids. So many of these badly behaved kids come from large families where they get no attention and more kids just means more benefits to collect. You can see their life stretching out as a void which will probably end in borstal and/or prison. It's such a shame and such a waste and there's very little we can do about it. I put a lot of effort into helping my special needs kids, trying to get them off the ground and up and running. If they could read properly and understand they might have some chance in life, but it seems to be 2 steps forward and 1 step back and I haven't got anywhere near where I wanted them to be as year end approaches!

I'm so sorry for you having to put up with such foul neighbours, qsducks, all I can suggest is to tell your kids and their friends to stay the heck away from these bratty kids. Keep them in your garden or where you can see them as I'm guessing foul-mouths and bullying is all they know and all they can give out. You don't need to explain to your kids what they mean when they say rude things, just explain that its rude and they dont understand any better and don't know how to be nice because their parents never learn't how to be better or to be nice either. Then tell them how lucky they are to have such a nice mummy and daddy who love them and who want to protect them so while it's okay to feel sorry for these poor boys who don't know any better it's also wise to steer clear of them in case they get hurt.

I know its not politically correct, but you have to explain in a way they understand. Thats how I try to reassure the girls who come crying to me every day because these boys have hurt them with obscene words or gestures or with fists or kicks. It's not the best way but I just don't know how else to deal with their behaviour.

[quote=southern yankee;908634]Hi, I am new my name is Southern Yankee.







Do you have conflicting feelings about the civil war ?

Rapunzel;908928 wrote: I have an 8-year-old in my class who drools over pictures of scantily-clad women in newspapers. He's barely literate and he has a father who does exactly the same, showing his son photo's from newspapers and magazines and saying "Cor, look at 'er son, I'd give 'er one!" So both sons come to school and reiterate that exact same behaviour! The other kids can't stand this boy who is rude (foul-mouthed) and always kicking and punching the other kids. He says disgusting things to the girls to upset them. He's always being punished and missing out on treats and this week he got so many black marks his parents were called in. But the father isn't interested and he and both sons treat the mother like a doormat, so she just cowers and does nothing.

I have 3 illiterate boys in my class and when you ask them what they want to be when they grow up they say "Nuffin. Um jus' gonna sign on the dole, innit?" They're all bullies, 2 refuse point blank to do any work and they all swear like troopers. The only weird thing is that if anyone hurts them or calls them names then they just burst into tears! They obviously have feelings but it's nearly impossible to get through to them. One kid says his dad can't read and write and says he doesn't need to either because he's going to be a fighter when he grows up so he doesn't need to learn to read and write. He's the nicest of the 3 but we don't see him too much as for every day he's in school he misses 2-3 days of it. He also gets absolutely no help or encouragement at home. He's also one of 7 kids. So many of these badly behaved kids come from large families where they get no attention and more kids just means more benefits to collect. You can see their life stretching out as a void which will probably end in borstal and/or prison. It's such a shame and such a waste and there's very little we can do about it. I put a lot of effort into helping my special needs kids, trying to get them off the ground and up and running. If they could read properly and understand they might have some chance in life, but it seems to be 2 steps forward and 1 step back and I haven't got anywhere near where I wanted them to be as year end approaches!So tell me, if one of these boys reaches the age of ten and murders a younger child, would you regard him as primarily responsible for his action or would you take his home background into account before you decided he was a monster who should be locked up for the rest of his life, if not killed out of revenge?

If it were me trying to build bridges to these families I might start by asking them to organize the music for a street party.

spot;908946 wrote: So tell me, if one of these boys reaches the age of ten and murders a younger child, would you regard him as primarily responsible for his action or would you take his home background into account before you decided he was a monster who should be locked up for the rest of his life, if not killed out of revenge?

If it were me trying to build bridges to these families I might start by asking them to organize the music for a street party.


In the Jamie Bulger case I think they did the right thing in locking both boys up and reteaching them about the values of life away from parental influences. However, I feel that releasing them at 18 was waaay too young. 18-year-old boys are reckless and they'd only had 8 years of deprogramming and reprogramming. Personally I think they should have stayed in clink until aged 35, or at least 30, but kept where they were not slung in the slammer (ie, real prison).

If you gave the boys in my class a street party they'd have a food fight, complain it was 'boring', they'd trash the sound system and steal the CD's, tip drink over the other kids and start a fist-fight.

Better bridges would be built by putting them in boarding school where family influences could be lessened and monitored and perhaps some respect and self-worth could be instilled.

aw Ducks, that is an awful unfortunate story. I am sorry children have to go through such crap... sad thing is those taunting little weasles learned everything form the adults in their lives... pity for all children isn't it.

No, i was raised in the Midwest. Near Chicago. I was born in Gary and grew up in Hammond Indiana. Left there in 1981. Moved to Nashville. Then to Louisville (really loved it there) I finally settled in La. I live a very small town of Butte La Rose. It is half way between lafayette and baton Rouge. In the atchafalya Basin. No, there are no gaters in the yard. everybody ask.

Thank you all for making me feel welcome.:)

Rapunzel;908928 wrote: You're lucky Spotalicious, because in general that's not the way the world works anymore. We have a whole new estate thats been built at the end of our road. The flats are 4 storeys high and 10% of them have been given to low income families. Included in that group are the scroungers and scumbags who collect all the benefits available and think the world owes them a living. My other halfs mate lives in that block and he says that the 2 families who are total scroungers tend to sleep all day and be up all night shouting, screaming, playing loud music, drinking and fighting. The police just try to keep the peace and let it go. :-5

One of the local councils did try putting all the rowdy trouble-making families onto one estate once but it became a black hole where all the local cars were petrol-bombed and even the houses received arson attacks! I think if people want to be that bloody-minded then there's not a lot the police can do. They just move the families around to new properties every so often.

I have an 8-year-old in my class who drools over pictures of scantily-clad women in newspapers. He's barely literate and he has a father who does exactly the same, showing his son photo's from newspapers and magazines and saying "Cor, look at 'er son, I'd give 'er one!" So both sons come to school and reiterate that exact same behaviour! The other kids can't stand this boy who is rude (foul-mouthed) and always kicking and punching the other kids. He says disgusting things to the girls to upset them. He's always being punished and missing out on treats and this week he got so many black marks his parents were called in. But the father isn't interested and he and both sons treat the mother like a doormat, so she just cowers and does nothing.

I have 3 illiterate boys in my class and when you ask them what they want to be when they grow up they say "Nuffin. Um jus' gonna sign on the dole, innit?" They're all bullies, 2 refuse point blank to do any work and they all swear like troopers. The only weird thing is that if anyone hurts them or calls them names then they just burst into tears! They obviously have feelings but it's nearly impossible to get through to them. One kid says his dad can't read and write and says he doesn't need to either because he's going to be a fighter when he grows up so he doesn't need to learn to read and write. He's the nicest of the 3 but we don't see him too much as for every day he's in school he misses 2-3 days of it. He also gets absolutely no help or encouragement at home. He's also one of 7 kids. So many of these badly behaved kids come from large families where they get no attention and more kids just means more benefits to collect. You can see their life stretching out as a void which will probably end in borstal and/or prison. It's such a shame and such a waste and there's very little we can do about it. I put a lot of effort into helping my special needs kids, trying to get them off the ground and up and running. If they could read properly and understand they might have some chance in life, but it seems to be 2 steps forward and 1 step back and I haven't got anywhere near where I wanted them to be as year end approaches!

I'm so sorry for you having to put up with such foul neighbours, qsducks, all I can suggest is to tell your kids and their friends to stay the heck away from these bratty kids. Keep them in your garden or where you can see them as I'm guessing foul-mouths and bullying is all they know and all they can give out. You don't need to explain to your kids what they mean when they say rude things, just explain that its rude and they dont understand any better and don't know how to be nice because their parents never learn't how to be better or to be nice either. Then tell them how lucky they are to have such a nice mummy and daddy who love them and who want to protect them so while it's okay to feel sorry for these poor boys who don't know any better it's also wise to steer clear of them in case they get hurt.

I know its not politically correct, but you have to explain in a way they understand. Thats how I try to reassure the girls who come crying to me every day because these boys have hurt them with obscene words or gestures or with fists or kicks. It's not the best way but I just don't know how else to deal with their behaviour.


I think you'll find at least one family just like that on every street in the UK..it makes your blood boil

They don't work yet can still afford three computers and a foreign holiday every year. If they can clean their own house they should be forced to clean other peoples to earn a living. Maybe someone should think about stopping them breeding untill they can pay for the kids they keep popping out.





Oh, and the other thing ...Bullies have problems too ...so i was once told by a rather smug bitch of a head teacher:-5



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The street I live on is very friendly and the neighbors all get along with each other except the scumbags. We were at a party not long ago on the street and some neighbors were wondering "what is going on across the street from you, why are there always so many cars stopping and going all day & night, and my favorite one was is Karen some kind of prostitute?"

Karen is the person who legally lives in the house (the mildly retarded one) and we see her being picked up by different men every week and being dropped off either really late in the evening or around 7am. The last time she was dropped off by a cop and she only had one shoe on.

I have no idea what the mother of the brats does for a living, and she never talks to the neighbors except to harass her one neighbor. They sit on their deck and place the radio on the rail so that it is facing my friend's house and blast it. I keep telling Carol to tape these shanigans and maybe the borough will do something. I had to tape their dog off the leash, but by the time I was going to take it up the borough, the dog had gotten run over and died.

Common decency and sense does not even fit into their vocabulary or their lifestyle. I'm sure if my friends here on the FG lived in back of these morons, life would be a little different. The people who live right in back of these idiots "don't want to get involved".:-5:-5

Now here is the kicker. The mother of the brats bought the kids a pool. These 2 kids are ages 7 & 5. She got them a 3 ft pool and then proceeds to put them in the life jackets and sends them out to the pool unsupervised. She sits in the house in the air and can't be bothered to sit on the deck and watch her kids swim.:-5

I say burn the house down!! No not really just kidding.

Mustang;909965 wrote: I say burn the house down!! No not really just kidding.


Slight problem with that idea. It's a side by side house and I really like Joe across the street. Actually, nobody would care if the house actually did burn down as long as nobody got hurt.

Eww, that reminds me. Last night we were sitting on the front porch and what comes scurrying down their driveway...............a rat.

qsducks;909971 wrote: Slight problem with that idea. It's a side by side house and I really like Joe across the street. Actually, nobody would care if the house actually did burn down as long as nobody got hurt.

Eww, that reminds me. Last night we were sitting on the front porch and what comes scurrying down their driveway...............a rat.


They where at the house across the road, Maybe you should show them there way back home.

I was told yesterday by the guy who's renovating the house across the street, that the people in the crackhouse kitty corner from me were all arrested somethyme Thursday night, and put in jail, and the kids were taken away. I thought it had been mighty quiet over there and was wondering why.

I'm just mildly shocked at the hatred being vented outwards here, the labels etc, if you give people a label they will live up to it!! :-5

'the mildly retarded one' - wow!! This woman obviously doesn't know any better, so who is going to step in and help her, stop the cycle before her 'brats' (wtf- these are children who know no different!!) follow in her footsteps. Do we just continue to label and make them outcasts or do we try and integrate them into our cosy snobby neighbourhoods.

Betty Boop;910091 wrote: I'm just mildly shocked at the hatred being vented outwards here, the labels etc, if you give people a label they will live up to it!! :-5

'the mildly retarded one' - wow!! This woman obviously doesn't know any better, so who is going to step in and help her, stop the cycle before her 'brats' (wtf- these are children who know no different!!) follow in her footsteps. Do we just continue to label and make them outcasts or do we try and integrate them into our cosy snobby neighbourhoods.


First off, the children are not even related to the mild one. They are the children of the woman that lives there also. They are Lori's children. Karen is the one with the mild part.

And yes, we have all tried to be friendly with them and what do we get? My one neighbor has bent over backwards helping them and what does she get in return? A smashed car window, radio blaring into her home, the boyfriend mooning her through a window. My car was also got a smashed window, we've had numerous trash thrown our way, etc.

And I wouldn't exactly call my neighborhood snobby. Working class yes. IMO, they are outcasts because they chose that lifestyle.

qsducks;910098 wrote: First off, the children are not even related to the mild one. They are the children of the woman that lives there also. They are Lori's children. Karen is the one with the mild part.

And yes, we have all tried to be friendly with them and what do we get? My one neighbor has bent over backwards helping them and what does she get in return? A smashed car window, radio blaring into her home, the boyfriend mooning her through a window. My car was also got a smashed window, we've had numerous trash thrown our way, etc.

And I wouldn't exactly call my neighborhood snobby. Working class yes. IMO, they are outcasts because they chose that lifestyle.


The snobby bit was sarcasm on my part, sorry . But in all this what needs to be done?? We can all vent about these so called undesirables but all that happens is they get moved around, with no intervention or changes to unlawful behaviour. Surely the start needs to be made with the children regardless of who their mother is. Thats the best way to break the cycle, they need to be shown by example, then those children can pick their own way to continue in life.

Betty Boop;910105 wrote: The snobby bit was sarcasm on my part, sorry . But in all this what needs to be done?? We can all vent about these so called undesirables but all that happens is they get moved around, with no intervention or changes to unlawful behaviour. Surely the start needs to be made with the children regardless of who their mother is. Thats the best way to break the cycle, they need to be shown by example, then those children can pick their own way to continue in life.


It's a shame actually. They did have CYS come and try to do the intervention thing and that was only so she wouldn't lose custody of the kids. IMO, it didn't work. Lori's younger sister who is 17 now has a baby also. I sometimes really feel for these kids, but when they go out in the neighborhood and talk trash it is disturbing.

Yes, it is the parent's fault. Coming home with different guys all the time I'm sure is confusing. And having the borough do nothing about the complaints is even worse.

qsducks;910110 wrote: It's a shame actually. They did have CYS come and try to do the intervention thing and that was only so she wouldn't lose custody of the kids. IMO, it didn't work. Lori's younger sister who is 17 now has a baby also. I sometimes really feel for these kids, but when they go out in the neighborhood and talk trash it is disturbing.

Yes, it is the parent's fault. Coming home with different guys all the time I'm sure is confusing. And having the borough do nothing about the complaints is even worse.


So... does anyone invite these kids over and include them? You can do that without including the parents.

Betty Boop;910129 wrote: So... does anyone invite these kids over and include them? You can do that without including the parents.


Yes I actually had them over but their language was very confusing to the kids I was watching. They just were'nt nice and they were rude to me. I'm the adult here and I will not put up with that kind of talk. They were using curse words, talking trash. Quin's been told to stay away.

The older a child gets, the less can be done to change it. There's a diminishing return. Before they're a year old you can have a huge effect, the next couple of years slightly less, by the time they're four they're starting to become resistant to influence but even so they're a lot more malleable than when they've reached twelve.

spot;910148 wrote: The older a child gets, the less can be done to change it. There's a diminishing return. Before they're a year old you can have a huge effect, the next couple of years slightly less, by the time they're four they're starting to become resistant to influence but even so they're a lot more malleable than when they've reached twelve.


I agree on that Spot. Just a matter of time.

qsducks;910153 wrote: I agree on that Spot. Just a matter of time.


I sometimes wonder whether the mere existence of "the borough" as an external official intervention force is the reason neighbourhoods feel they can abandon "the trash". I've lived in run-down inner-city areas but I've always seen them pull together. I'm talking about hard-core inner-city space, I prefer that sort of environment.

spot;910164 wrote: I sometimes wonder whether the mere existence of "the borough" as an external official intervention force is the reason neighbourhoods feel they can abandon "the trash". I've lived in run-down inner-city areas but I've always seen them pull together. I'm talking about hard-core inner-city space, I prefer that sort of environment.




Do you ?

Theres something I like about it as well. Your senses really come alive.

Its a fine line though between gritty and getting shot for your shoes.

spot;910164 wrote: I sometimes wonder whether the mere existence of "the borough" as an external official intervention force is the reason neighbourhoods feel they can abandon "the trash". I've lived in run-down inner-city areas but I've always seen them pull together. I'm talking about hard-core inner-city space, I prefer that sort of environment.


the borough has an obligation to keep the neighborhood intact and to help. It's actually the CYS (Children Youth Services) to try to intervene and help families.

qsducks;910153 wrote: I agree on that Spot. Just a matter of time.


You know you teach them the best you can. With good examples and WHIT. Then you let them go. OMG wait until he borrows the CAR for the first time!!

southern yankee;910284 wrote: You know you teach them the best you can. With good examples and WHIT. Then you let them go. OMG wait until he borrows the CAR for the first time!!


IDK, the mother of Lori also lives there and she is not a good role model at all. Her boyfriend is the dude who mooned my friend. The cops took him out of the house a week ago in handcuffs and the neighborhood was having a good laugh.

Well the cops were back today and wearing bullet proof vests! They took out the mom's boyfriend again. She obviously lets him back in and she's the one who calls the cops to get him out. Go figure.

The zoning officer also showed up and took a little tour of the house and deemed it unfit for human habitation and also called it "a house of prostitution". Something all the neighbors have known for some time. Finally, maybe something will happen. I'll keep you posted.

qsducks;911106 wrote: Well the cops were back today and wearing bullet proof vests! They took out the mom's boyfriend again. She obviously lets him back in and she's the one who calls the cops to get him out. Go figure.

The zoning officer also showed up and took a little tour of the house and deemed it unfit for human habitation and also called it "a house of prostitution". Something all the neighbors have known for some time. Finally, maybe something will happen. I'll keep you posted.


So very sad. When my daughter was young. She had a friend. Who's mother was a dope fean among other things. While we were neigbors i often fed the child. gave her cloths. Took her school and so on. I often wonder what happen to her. I tried to find her through zaba search and other sites. no luck.