A Tribe Of Indians Wanted To Kill Me

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:11 pm

While up north in bear country this weekend I had business on the White Earth Ojibwe Indian Reservation.

Clearly I was an unwelcome guest.

I had a tribal police escort.

Sort of.

I followed him through the reservation, which is enormous by the way (13,000 acres) for so few that appear to live there.

Well, not as enormous as the rest of the country we looted from them but many many acres none the less.

Its very beautiful with glass lakes and large pines touching the waters edge. Still except for the squack of the occasional loon.

Its beautiful as long as you dont look to hard at the squallor these people live in. Not all of them, but many.

The village I was in is called Naytawaush.

As the ociffer pointed to the direction I should take to find the Littlewolf household, he said good luck, laughed and disappeared.

It was almost dark and although my senses were heightened and sharp I wasnt afraid.

It's a scary place though. I drove 45 minutes through dense woodlands to get to this small village and I dont know what I expected as I stood on a strangers doorstep, but I didnt expect to hear a bellowing voice coming from some unknown source that "all white people should be shot, every ****ing last one of them"

That would probably be the point that I thought it was ok to be nervous.

Nothing adverse happened and as I was leaving the way I came now in the pitch black of night I remember thinking...these used to be such a proud people. We took that from them. We killed them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Eart ... eservation

This is one photo I took from the reservation.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:25 pm

No. We didn't. They (as in a general group) have chosen to martyr themselves and carry on hating white people even in this modern day, rather than rise above it and better themselves and their condition. It's the easy and familiar way so it's comfortable. I live near the Mojaves and we get that same static. They don't hide their hatred either, they are forthright about it.

And I'm glad you're okay. That's a pretty sunset.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:28 pm

I think Im going to throw up now.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:32 pm

Nomad,

Did you ride there and back the same night.....Wow, I'd be scared that I'd meet a bear in the dark and be his dinner....

You truly are a brave man as I've always suspected:wah:

I love stories about the Native Americans.....love their spirit and prayers.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:33 pm

I'd say they have ample reason to be bitter. The small number of people still there may be evidence that most have gotten control of it and moved on.

Red, I swear sometimes you need to count ten before typing. Yeh I know, I need the same advice.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:34 pm

Nomad,

Can you tell us more about this adventure???? Anymore pictures??

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:35 pm

Nomad;924521 wrote:

It's a scary place. I drove 45 minutes through dense woodlands to get to this small village and I dont know what I expected as I stood on a strangers doorstep, but I didnt expect to hear a bellowing voice coming from some unknown source that "all white people should be shot, every ****ing last one of them"

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I can see some ole granpa in the back shouting that & can understand why.

RedGlitter;924551 wrote: They don't hide their hatred either, they are forthright about it.

Good for them.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:38 pm

You must have a really fast horse Nomad..

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:39 pm

I suppose the Rwandans along with the Jews should stop sniveling too ?

I mean cmon theres been no evidence of a concentration camp for decades now, let it go man !

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:40 pm

YZGI;924595 wrote: You must have a really fast horse Nomad..

How comes ?

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:41 pm

Nomad;924602 wrote: How comes ?
You got out of there with your scalp..

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:42 pm

Thanks for sharing your experience, Nomad. We did not kill them, but we certainly nearly destroyed their old traditions. The Cherokee nation in North Carolina are trying to teach their young the language of the Cherokee. They rename the neighborhood streets to include both English and Cherokee. Many of the bill boards along the highway have both English and Cherokee words on them.

Sadly, the glory of the old Native American culture is gone. But there seems to be a hope that there is will be a glory in the modern Native American culture.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:43 pm

Kathy Ellen;924573 wrote: Nomad,

Did you ride there and back the same night.....Wow, I'd be scared that I'd meet a bear in the dark and be his dinner....

You truly are a brave man as I've always suspected:wah:

I love stories about the Native Americans.....love their spirit and prayers.

I was in there 3 times and along all 4 borders throughout the trip.

I was worried about hitting deer, I had to brake several times. They just shoot out into the road.

Ive seen pictures of a buck that came right through the windshield of a Dodge Ram and landed on the seat.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:47 pm

YZGI;924611 wrote: You got out of there with your scalp..

It was just a drunken neighbor. The children were soft spoken and beautiful and everyone else was polite, if not nervous.

I got lots of stares though. People would stop what they were doing as I drove by.

I felt like I was trampling on sacred ground. Like I had no right being there.

But when they seek to the outside world for tangible things and dont honor their commitment theyre no different than anyone else so......

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:48 pm

Nomad;924625 wrote: It was just a drunken neighbor. The children were soft spoken and beautiful and everyone else was polite, if not nervous.

I got lots of stares though. People would stop what they were doing as I drove by.

I felt like I was trampling on sacred ground. Like I had no right being there.

But when they seek to the outside world for tangible things and dont honor their commitment theyre no different than anyone else so......
It was a joke..

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:51 pm

Accountable;924576 wrote: I'd say they have ample reason to be bitter. The small number of people still there may be evidence that most have gotten control of it and moved on.

Red, I swear sometimes you need to count ten before typing. Yeh I know, I need the same advice.

Not at all. I mean what I say whether it's popular or not. Show me a people that don't have some kind of discontent in their past. Should women hate men because of the horrible ways they've treated us since millenia? Should blacks continue to hate whites? Jews for Germans? This "good for them" mentality only encourages this pathetic chip on their shoulder and allows them to continue blaming everyone but themselves fo rthe positions they are in.

Nomad I'm sorry only for derailing your thread, not for making you ill if in fact that was directed at me. I will now leave your thread but i do not apologize for what I have said.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:00 pm

RedGlitter;924630 wrote: Not at all. I mean what I say whether it's popular or not. Show me a people that don't have some kind of discontent in their past. Should women hate men because of the horrible ways they've treated us since millenia? Should blacks continue to hate whites? Jews for Germans? This "good for them" mentality only encourages this pathetic chip on their shoulder and allows them to continue blaming everyone but themselves fo rthe positions they are in.

Nomad I'm sorry only for derailing your thread, not for making you ill if in fact that was directed at me. I will now leave your thread but i do not apologize for what I have said.

The Jews have a pathetic chip on their shoulder ?

You didnt mention the Rwandans. Bunch of cry babies ?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:04 pm

YZGI;924626 wrote: It was a joke..

Im that guy that needs jokes explained to him.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:09 pm

Nomad;924521 wrote:

I followed him through the reservation, which is enormous by the way (13,000 acres) for so few that appear to live there.

Wow...That's only 500 acres less than the lake I went to over the weekend...

St. Mary lake...At one time it was the largest man made lake in the world...Individual people hand shoveled it in the early 1800's for $0.37 a day and a "jigger" of whiskey...

It was interesting...Great place...Good fishing...

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:11 pm

How cool that you went there, Nomad. My one professor is Ojibwe, she is a very lovely lady.

Makes me curious, you must have been on official private eye stuff-some things are protected on an Indian reservation, I understand why the tribal police escorted you.

Besides the obvious.................:wah:

They still are a noble people, Nomad. If you ever want to read up on them let me know, my bookshelves have quite a few books on them.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:12 pm

K.Snyder;924651 wrote: Wow...That's only 500 acres less than the lake I went to over the weekend...

St. Mary lake...At one time it was the largest man made lake in the world...Individual people hand shoveled it in the early 1800's for $0.37 a day and a "jigger" of whiskey...

It was interesting...Great place...Good fishing...

It was flooded from the Erie Canal ?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:12 pm

Nomad;924642 wrote: The Jews have a pathetic chip on their shoulder ?

You didnt mention the Rwandans. Bunch of cry babies ?

If they're blaming people who had/has nothing to do with the position that they're in then yes...

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:13 pm

chonsigirl;924652 wrote: How cool that you went there, Nomad. My one professor is Ojibwe, she is a very lovely lady.

Makes me curious, you must have been on official private eye stuff-some things are protected on an Indian reservation, I understand why the tribal police escorted you.

Besides the obvious.................:wah:

They still are a noble people, Nomad. If you ever want to read up on them let me know, my bookshelves have quite a few books on them.

Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee entrenched the foul attitude I have about the way our nation treated these true Americans.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:16 pm

Ah, that book is powerful. You do not have to tell me, Nomad. It is what I write about all the time.

There are some new insights into the Ojibwe past being written today, a new one on a look at women and their role in tribal society during the late 1800s.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:17 pm

Nomad;924655 wrote: It was flooded from the Erie Canal ?

I don't believe so...If I'm not mistaken it was made to create a canal as it sits between many Ohio rivers and serves as a great influx for fish...It's also constructed on an area known to produce oil...There's still one producing oil rig that's left...

I found this excerpt...

The area in and around Grand lake St. Marys State Park played an important part in the development of the Northwest territory. The St. Marys River served as a vital link between the Great Lakes and the Ohio River. Because of this heavy water traffic, the renegades Simon and James Girty established a trading post, which eventually evolved into the town of St. Marys. General “Mad” Anthony Wayne passed through the area in 1794 during this march to drive out the Shawnee, which culminated in the Battle of Fallen Timbers. Some of Wayne's men returned here to make their homes.

In 1837, work commenced on a reservoir for the Miami-Erie canal to maintain the canal’s five-foot water depth. Workers using hand tools were paid 35 cents a day and a jigger of whiskey to keep malaria away. At its completion in 1845, 13,500-acre Grand Lake was the largest man-made lake in the world. The lake was connected to the canal by a three-mile feeder.

The canal prospered until the coming of the railroads in the 1870s. The area experienced another boom in the late 1890s when oil was discovered. For a time the lake was dotted with oil derricks. Today a pile of rocks near the center of the lake marks the spot of the last producing well.

Grand Lake St. Marys and other canal feeder lakes in the state were the first areas to be dedicated as Ohio state parks in 1949.

http://www.ohiodnr.com/parks/grndlake/t ... fault.aspx

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:22 pm

K.Snyder;924656 wrote: If they're blaming people who had/has nothing to do with the position that they're in then yes...

Our government today is just a continuation of the crap from the past. Just more of it. With a dash of perfume.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:46 pm

Nomad

Was this your first Detective Location?

They sent you (green horn) to be scalped..?

Nice ride - beautiful area

Should I feel sorry/bad for how these people live ? NO

What the Govt. gives them - they could be in Mansions

No - if their 2007 truck breaks down it's parked and they go buy a 2008.

They've chosen their life style.

Patsy

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:49 pm

Patsy Warnick;924757 wrote: Nomad

Should I feel sorry/bad for how these people live ? NO

What the Govt. gives them - they could be in Mansions

Gives them ?

In mansions ?

:wah:

No.

We do owe them though.

Treaties and all that.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:54 pm

Nomad;924762 wrote: Gives them ?

In mansions ?

:wah:

No.

We do owe them though.

Treaties and all that.

Do you have casinos in Minnesota?...

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:01 pm

Wow most peeps can only dream of a trip like that Nomad

Awesome....Did you go alone? Must of been a thought provoking trip:-4

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:04 pm

On that note, did you run across any sexy Indian women?...

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:05 pm

K.Snyder;924769 wrote: Do you have casinos in Minnesota?...

Yes.

Has nothing to do with treaties we broke.

Thats sovereign land. What they do on it or with it is none of our business.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:06 pm

Nomad;924781 wrote: Yes.

Has nothing to do with treaties we broke.

Thats sovereign land. What they do on it or with it is none of our business.

Yeah...I was just curious...We have no casinos in Ohio...

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:08 pm

K.Snyder;924780 wrote: On that note, did you run across any sexy Indian women?...

Every time I knocked on a door.

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K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:08 pm

For the record I feel that yes the Native Americans of America had their land stolen from them, but I also feel that their land was much more than they needed...

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:08 pm

Nomad;924792 wrote: Every time I knocked on a door.

And you never invited me?...

Blasphemy!!!...

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:09 pm

Yes, the land is sovereign. That remains an issue the federal government continues to chip away at their rights, given them under treaties that continue to be ignored.

They do not get the amount of money the average person seems to think. When the original claims were made for the land, the government in the 1950s and 1960s paid them about 50 cents an acre for their land. Pretty cheap, huh? And they were forced or get nothing for it, ever.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:41 pm

It puzzles me. They could have such beautiful lives living on the land the way they were. There is an abundance of the deer Nomad had to avoid hitting and fish in the beautiful lake. Why do they seek after the material way of life claiming they don't get enough of it? I don't understand.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:44 pm

It is the catch 22, of trying to live the way they once were, wanting the things that others have. There is no easy solution, because they must live in both worlds now.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:55 pm

If America hadn't been inhabited by outsiders when it was and by those who did it, would it have remained as it was? Would the expanding world around it have left it alone so the natives could live thier lives untouched by the rest of the world? Would no one have ever insisted they experience diversity?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:03 pm

Clint;924837 wrote: It puzzles me. They could have such beautiful lives living on the land the way they were. There is an abundance of the deer Nomad had to avoid hitting and fish in the beautiful lake. Why do they seek after the material way of life claiming they don't get enough of it? I don't understand.
It's the same as the black communities back in the day. They bought into the hype that the white way was not better, but that it was the only good way. Grass is greener & all that.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:44 pm

Clint;924860 wrote: If America hadn't been inhabited by outsiders when it was and by those who did it, would it have remained as it was? Would the expanding world around it have left it alone so the natives could live thier lives untouched by the rest of the world? Would no one have ever insisted they experience diversity?

Those question have already been answered...America consists of descendants of the world...

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:48 pm

Would no one have ever insisted they experience diversity?

I do not think that is the way it happened, it is called brute force, disease, decimation of population, forced assimilation.

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:48 pm

K.Snyder;924907 wrote: Those question have already been answered...America consists of descendants of the world...

So why are the white pioneers so often villanized?

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:55 pm

chonsigirl;924909 wrote: I do not think that is the way it happened, it is called brute force, disease, decimation of population, forced assimilation.

Nothing new in the history of mankind. Should I flog myself every night before I go to bed because my family goes back to the first "invaders"?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:58 pm

Oh cool! A chance to plug the book I'm reading. You guys have got to read it if this kind of stuff interests you (the forced diversity stuff, not the killing Nomad stuff). It's a Pulitzer Prize winner, Guns Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies, by Jared Diamond.

The guy's a geography and physiology professor that melded information from many disciplines such as history, botany, biology, etc to answer questions such as Why did the Spanish sail to the Americas and conquer the Incas instead of the other way around. Fascinating stuff. Explains why Native Americans had no killer germs to wipe out visiting Europeans. Fascinating stuff!

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:01 pm

Clint;924910 wrote: So why are the white pioneers so often villanized?

Because other nations whom happened to be not "white" weren't advanced enough to do what the "white pioneers" did...

Land without borders gives credence to shared land...The Indians did not share their land...The "white pioneers" are sharing their land...It's up to you to decide which instances are wrong and which are right...

Am I saying that there weren't wrongs being/been constituted by each of the sides?...No...Am I saying that there were rights to the "white pioneers" that eventually became the United States of America of the side?...Yes...Am I saying the "white pioneers" that eventually became the United States of America could have went about their business a little better and morally?...Yes...

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:01 pm

Nomie I bet you high tailed it out of there fast. Did you have a 4WD vehicle to manage the terraine? What an experience you won't soon forget. Beats sitting in an office all day.

[QUOTE]but I didnt expect to hear a bellowing voice coming from some unknown source that "all white people should be shot, every ****ing last one of them"[/QUOTE]

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:04 pm

CARLA;924919 wrote: Nomie I bet you high tailed it out of there fast. Did you have a 4WD vehicle to manage the terraine? What an experience you won't soon forget. Beats sitting in an office all day.

He probably wanted to see how fast a "white boy" from Minnesota could run...

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:15 pm

:wah::wah: You are probably right. I would have been gone so fast.

[QUOTE]He probably wanted to see how fast a "white boy" from Minnesota could run...[/QUOTE]