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You desire only what you believe you do not have.

Jester;941136 wrote: ah, but I have a box of icecream sandwiches in my freezer and I desire another!


go get one then:D

You're internalising all of that. There's an external factor you're ignoring. Reward. We desire what we desire only if it's attainable. The more immediately it can be attained the stronger the desire for it and the more we do and say things to get it. If what you want strongly is validation of your belief then yes, that's the desire you say and do things to possess. Otherwise no, belief doesn't come into it - potential achievable reward does.

Jester;941132 wrote: We do what we do, and say what we say, because we desire what we desire. We desire what we desire because we believe what we believe.


It's not true for me. I do and say sometimes because it's the right thing to do or say and not because I desire to do or say and I will sometimes desire what I do not believe.

Lon;941205 wrote: It's not true for me. I do and say sometimes because it's the right thing to do or say and not because I desire to do or say and I will sometimes desire what I do not believe.


Ah. That'll be the rewards cutting in.

Can a person do what they do because they desire a reward? Of course. But, sometimes, people do what they do because they just enjoy doing what they are doing..................you know what I mean?

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Jester;941293 wrote: Exactly my point... you do and say what others expect you to do or say, which is filtered by your belief of how others view you externally doing right or wrong. Your true desire wins out, the desire to have a good reputation.

Your reputation outweighs your internal desire to be selfish. So at one time you learned and held the degree of reputation you have as more important than being selfish and blatantly doing what it is you want to do outright.

So for you the statement is actually true... you do and say what is approriate because of the belief you hold in your reputation despite your immediate selfish desire.


Nope-----sometimes I will do or say what others do not expect of me. I do not worry about my reputation. I am not always sensitive to what others think. I can also be selfish and self centered. Not a true statement at all.

Jester;941341 wrote: Lon no offense intended but thats plain selfish, and it falls under the internal belief that you are the most important person that exists in the moment that you choose to do those things...

So it still falls under my original statement.

You do what you do because you desire what you desire based on your belief that you make the ultimate decison on what pleases you.

Everything has to go back to what it is we believe inside. And our actions reveal that to some extent.


No offense taken----I'm just admitting though that I can be selfish and self centered at times despite the fact that it does not please me.

I will also do things against my better judgment, sometimes.

along-for-the-ride;941305 wrote: Can a person do what they do because they desire a reward? Of course. But, sometimes, people do what they do because they just enjoy doing what they are doing..................you know what I mean?


That's the reward then - the enjoyment of doing it even though it's entirely altruistic (if that's what you're thinking of). The altruism helps someone else, the person doing it gets the reward of self-satisfaction.

Jester;941290 wrote: Nah, every decision we make fisrt comes from with in, its then filtered through our belief system and then we make a decision on it, the outside factor or reward is possibly enticing based on our inward desire or rejection of it. It still comes from our belief system within.

Besides, a reward/desire can also be rejected based on decision, decisions come from with in...


Well said Trooper. Could not agree more. Excellent view on the debate.

For example, LOVE is the great ubiquitous myth.

We say we love some-one because we want to make them happy. BULL.

Love is a desire that is selfish. We love some-one--because they make US feel good, not them.

OSCAR

fuzzy butt;941354 wrote: Reminds me of song lyrics by Debra Conway

Everything that we have reminds us what we have lost .

And everything that we have echoes what we desire.

Ego or Altruism?


Who the heck is Debra Conway?? Is she a candidate for the Whitehouse?

Try "Sympathy for the Devil" by the gods of rock, "The Rolling Stones". Never a truer word said in them lyrics.

OSCAR

Jester;943656 wrote: Fuzzy you take all the heart out of it...

(((hugs))):-4


I am very happily married, my husband isn't--but what the heck, i'm being selfish.

Jester;944417 wrote: Oddly these days one must not assume that 'oscar' is a male name... but to clarify, you are a lady? :-3


Jester, i am indeed a woman. A lady?----now that is debatable.

Jester;944429 wrote: Well to each her own then! Oscar, welcome to he garden!


Thank you kind sir.

I believe Love is a settlement of content life---- In love is pure lust.

Absolutley. All humans are worthy of failings.

Not knowing, I could not state to any great degree of accuracy