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Now their are alot more mods here we are doing a general tidy up on the forum.

As some members may be aware, moderators have been removing "hot linked" images from their posts.

We would just like to clarify that hot linking as always been against FG rules and reasons why can be read here:

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=12202

Any member who has an image removed from their post will be informed with a friendly pm.

Their are numerous image hosting sites that people can use to host their pictures and images. You dont need to clutter up your own hard drive.

Here are some links for you to try.

http://www.imageshack.us/

http://photobucket.com/

http://www.imagehosting.com/

http://www.picoodle.com/

Thank you for your time:)

Be very sure of what your doing mods. Delete the "Hot link" not the post or thread. If necessary have another mod take a look if you not sure of the process.

fuzzy butt;946690 wrote: It's communism I tells ya!!!!!! COMMUNISM!!!!

All my rights are slowly being taken away from me AAAARRRGGGHHHHH

Oh hang on a minute:o I'm not a member I have no rights ............................slowly side steps from the thread.:p




your right megan ...

and why they make chez do it?

cos she cute or wot?

OMG nor am i!

Jj :-4

jones jones;946725 wrote: your right megan ...

and why they make chez do it?

cos she cute or wot?

OMG nor am i!

Jj :-4


I wasnt made to do anything and I personally havent come across any hot linked pics but we did have alot to edit so we thought a gentle reminder to all would be handy...Now if you want spanking, their are plenty of male members with a heavy hand here to assist:p

Chezzie;946727 wrote: I wasnt made to do anything and I personally havent come across any hot linked pics but we did have alot to edit so we thought a gentle reminder to all would be handy...Now if you want spanking, their are plenty of male members with a heavy hand here to assist:p




sorry ...

99th Monkey;946724 wrote: Is "Tinypic" OK?

http://tinypic.com/


TinyPic should be fine, 99.

Chezzie;946436 wrote: Now their are alot more mods here we are doing a general tidy up on the forum.

As some members may be aware, moderators have been removing "hot linked" images from their posts.

We would just like to clarify that hot linking as always been against FG rules and reasons why can be read here:

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=12202

Any member who has an image removed from their post will be informed with a friendly pm.

Their are numerous image hosting sites that people can use to host their pictures and images. You dont need to clutter up your own hard drive.

Here are some links for you to try.

http://www.imageshack.us/

http://photobucket.com/

http://www.imagehosting.com/

http://www.picoodle.com/

Thank you for your time:)


Are you saying that it is okay to hotlink to photos posted on imagehosting sites????? Can I hotlink to an image posted on, for instance, one of my own webpages?

Everywhere you walk in FG now, you trip over a prefect. It's not a load of fun.

Im not exactly sure what hotlinking is:-3 but i mainly use photobucket so i guess im ok:) Personally i cant say i have noticed any difference to myself since we got a load of new mods, but thats probably cos im a very good girl:D;)

jimbo;946985 wrote: me too mackem





can someone please post a hotlink so i can see what a hotlink is then i wont ever do it :sneaky::sneaky:


Oh JIm ,,, you are naughty..........but i like it:sneaky::wah::wah:

I found this.

Free Hotlinking Checker

http://www.free-webhosts.com/hotlinking-checker.php

Try it and if you see a red x or a broken image its ok

The reason we decided to post this was for peeps to ask those kind of questions Kooks, it was to try and help you guys as TS doesnt want any hotlinking here and it has gone under the radar for quite a while and its pretty obvious that alot of people cant have known they were doing it if they dont even understand what it is. I will try and explain.

URL

Acronym for Uniform Resource Locator. Addressing system used in the World Wide Web and other Internet resources. An address such as "http://www.forumgarden.com" is a URL. Most say ‘web address’.

Chezzie;947087 wrote: The reason we decided to post this was for peeps to ask those kind of questions Kooks, it was to try and help you guys as TS doesnt want any hotlinking here and it has gone under the radar for quite a while and its pretty obvious that alot of people cant have known they were doing it if they dont even understand what it is. I will try and explain.

URL

Acronym for Uniform Resource Locator. Addressing system used in the World Wide Web and other Internet resources. An address such as "http://www.forumgarden.com" is a URL. Most say ‘web address’.


clear as mud then:-3:wah:

Inline linking (also known as hotlinking, leeching, piggy-backing, direct linking, offsite image grabs and bandwidth theft) is the use of a linked object, often an image, from one site into a web page belonging to a second site. The second site is said to have an inline link to the site where the object is located.

If you are on a website with say, a penguin on it and you want to post the picture of the penguin here, the correct thing to do would be to copy that penguin to your computer, by right clicking and selecting "Save image as..."

The wrong thing to do, hotlinking, would be to copy the penguin right off that page and then paste it in your post at FG.

Maybe Chezzie can explain better. I'm not the best at it.

By the way, probably most of us have hotlinked at least a few times. I did it regularly myself. We mods are not trying to make any members feel bad for this so please know that. We're just doing what Tombstone (the man who runs FG) has asked us to do. The reason being, when you hotlink an image, it's called bandwidth stealing. I don't know enough about bandwidth to explain it properly but basically, it's making the owner of that site pay for your use of his graphics.

Great explanations Chez and Red....all clear now for me:-6

you explained it great Red.

I found this, maybe its easier to understand.



Do not right click on an image and then select properties, just to view the source and location of the file so you can copy and select the URL address to place the image into a forum, message board, web site or any other destination on the web. This is bandwidth theft. You should always choose "Save As" and save it to your computer. Then either host it on your domain or find an image host provider that will allow you to upload it to their server to use.

http://www.invision-graphics.com/stop_b ... theft.html

I use photobucket but their are loads which are all free. You can also create albums to host your own personal pics so you never need to lose any pics or clutter up your hard drive.

For photobucket you just sign up for a free account, browse the web, find pics and save them to your pc then go to photobucket and upload it from your pc to your album there and delete the pic on your pc. Photobucket also has a search feature on thousands of images and if you click on one you like it will give you an [img] code which you can copy and paste straight into your posts here without needing to bother to save it.

Im not the best at explaining things but I tried lol:D

Chezzie;947161 wrote: you explained it great Red.



I found this, maybe its easier to understand.





Do not right click on an image and then select properties, just to view the source and location of the file so you can copy and select the URL address to place the image into a forum, message board, web site or any other destination on the web. This is bandwidth theft. You should always choose "Save As" and save it to your computer. Then either host it on your domain or find an image host provider that will allow you to upload it to their server to use.



http://www.invision-graphics.com/stop_b ... theft.html



I use photobucket but their are loads which are all free. You can also create albums to host your own personal pics so you never need to lose any pics or clutter up your hard drive.



For photobucket you just sign up for a free account, browse the web, find pics and save them to your pc then go to photobucket and upload it from your pc to your album there and delete the pic on your pc. Photobucket also has a search feature on thousands of images and if you click on one you like it will give you an [img] code which you can copy and paste straight into your posts here without needing to bother to save it.



Im not the best at explaining things but I tried lol:D


Great explanation Chez,



I save everything to "my pictures" on my hard drive and then download them to photobucket. You can edit your pictures in photobucket so they'll be the right size to upload them to FG.

ahhhhhhhhhhhh i get it now;) well i dont think i have done that cos i never knew you could:wah::wah: I dont have an account with photobucket, i just use the search feature, and if i want a pic from elsewhere use the right click, save as thingy:D

kazalala;947226 wrote: ahhhhhhhhhhhh i get it now;) well i dont think i have done that cos i never knew you could:wah::wah: I dont have an account with photobucket, i just use the search feature, and if i want a pic from elsewhere use the right click, save as thingy:D


Where do you save all of your pics to Kaz and then don't you have to edit them if they're too big?

I love photobucket...you should try it....it's free and easy to use.

Kathy Ellen;947333 wrote: Where do you save all of your pics to Kaz and then don't you have to edit them if they're too big?

I love photobucket...you should try it....it's free and easy to use.


Ye i use photobucket too Kathy:D if i save any pics i just save em to my hard drive,,, then you can put them on using the manage attachments button..

Oh wish I had brains sometimes instead of:-3.............gotta go and fink about that one:driving:

Carolly;947348 wrote: Oh wish I had brains sometimes instead of:-3.............gotta go and fink about that one:driving:


Carol you wont know how to do it anyway, so dont worry about it:D:wah::p

jimbo;947428 wrote: well i have not received a pm telling me off so i cant be doing anything wrong :D





unless the mods know i'm really thick and have been turning a blind eye in which case i've just blown it What do you want one:-3;):driving:

Uh-oh

Chezzie;947161 wrote: you explained it great Red.

I found this, maybe its easier to understand.



Do not right click on an image and then select properties, just to view the source and location of the file so you can copy and select the URL address to place the image into a forum, message board, web site or any other destination on the web. This is bandwidth theft. You should always choose "Save As" and save it to your computer. Then either host it on your domain or find an image host provider that will allow you to upload it to their server to use.

http://www.invision-graphics.com/stop_b ... theft.html

I use photobucket but their are loads which are all free. You can also create albums to host your own personal pics so you never need to lose any pics or clutter up your hard drive.

For photobucket you just sign up for a free account, browse the web, find pics and save them to your pc then go to photobucket and upload it from your pc to your album there and delete the pic on your pc. Photobucket also has a search feature on thousands of images and if you click on one you like it will give you an [img] code which you can copy and paste straight into your posts here without needing to bother to save it.

Im not the best at explaining things but I tried lol:D


I don't know how to do all that. Lawd, I'm dumb!

I'm so confused!

Diane has missed something again hasn't she....:rolleyes:

:wah:

That's what I've been doing. Find a pic, "save as" to my computer, then upload on "manage attachments". Is a photo bucket program necessary? Am I legal?

Okay - would some technical moderator please explain to me what the difference is between hotlinking to an image hosted in say, Photobucket - like the signature pictures used by RedGlitter,Chezz and Kaz on this page of this thread, and linking in exactly the same way to photos on other websites. Is it the linking per se or is it the copyright issue??? If I link to a photo I have taken myself, on a webpage hosted by my own internet provider, does this constitute a hotlink, under the TOS rules?

Example..







My photo

AussiePam;947656 wrote: Okay - would some technical moderator please explain to me what the difference is between hotlinking to an image hosted in say, Photobucket - like the signature pictures used by RedGlitter,Chezz and Kaz on this page of this thread, and linking in exactly the same way to photos on other websites. Is it the linking per se or is it the copyright issue??? If I link to a photo I have taken myself, on a webpage hosted by my own internet provider, does this constitute a hotlink, under the TOS rules?

Example..







My photo




When you hotlink an image, every time the image appears on the page it has to be fetched from the original site and therefore uses bandwidth over the link out of the original site and into ForumGarden - this upsets the administrator of both sites. Now I personally don't mind upsetting the Admin of another site but I'd hate to pi$$ Tombstone off and he really does not like having another Admin on his case.

When you upload it using manage attachments is it available to ForumGarden without an external link - everybody happy and a peaceful Garden.

So, copyright aside, the first three should be OK but the last one not.

Chezzie;946436 wrote: Now their are alot more mods here we are doing a general tidy up on the forum.

As some members may be aware, moderators have been removing "hot linked" images from their posts.

We would just like to clarify that hot linking as always been against FG rules and reasons why can be read here:

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=12202

Any member who has an image removed from their post will be informed with a friendly pm.

Their are numerous image hosting sites that people can use to host their pictures and images. You dont need to clutter up your own hard drive.

Here are some links for you to try.

http://www.imageshack.us/

http://photobucket.com/

http://www.imagehosting.com/

http://www.picoodle.com/

Thank you for your time:)


This is the opening post.

Bryn, what I'm asking is why sites like Photobucket are different. It's a genuine question, not nitpicking. Photobucket and the other couple of apparently acceptable sites are outside ForumGarden - aren't they?. Fine for storing your images, but linking anything stored there remotely isn't using the Manage Attachments function at all - as far as I can see. In the graphics examples I cited, each one was linked directly to the remote site. Bandwidth is used in the when graphics are uploaded from them - isn't it?. Maybe the Admins there don't mind, but what's the difference from ForumGarden's point of view? You and Spot and Flopstock are techie Moderators. I'd really like an answer to this question.

Here is a hotlink?????



Here is the same image uploaded from my hard drive using the Manage Attachments function

Attached files

911;947467 wrote: Uh-oh



I don't know how to do all that. Lawd, I'm dumb!

I'm so confused!


Don't feel like the Lone Ranger, I haven't got the first clue, so avoid the

problem entirely but not bringing anything here from anywhere!

Maybe that's a good way to go, Valerie.

Still, I'm hoping to get a proper answer to what I think is a reasonable, unloaded, technical question. Several of the current moderators here are computer people. Someone from those should be able to answer. Please!

AussiePam;947990 wrote: Maybe that's a good way to go, Valerie.



Still, I'm hoping to get a proper answer to what I think is a reasonable, unloaded, technical question. Several of the current moderators here are computer people. Someone from those should be able to answer. Please!Fraid I'm not one of em.

Thanks though, Abbey, for taking the time to answer at all. Floppy is going to try and find out for me. I'm genuinely bewildered. Maybe the tempting little mountain icon above the text box should be removed, if Management seriously only wants us to use the Manage Attachment function for any graphics. (Of course we could code in a hotlink, but most ordinary punters probably won't). I'll wait for a proper ruling on those apparently exempt photo hosting sites listed in Chezzie's OP.

Pam, we're waiting for Spot to return so hopefully he will be able to explain.

Thanks, Red Glitter. It's an interesting question, and I'm sure he'll be able to give a definitive ruling - just so we're all absolutely clear.

I posted Jimbo's siggy pics url into this and it says they're not hotlinked.

That's the only way I know how to do it, by right clicking on the pic and going into properties and copying & pasting the url number.

http://www.free-webhosts.com/hotlinking-checker.php

http://www.free-webhosts.com/hotlinking-checker.php

"Hotlinking (hot linking) - "Hotlinking" (also called "hot linking", "leeching", and "bandwidth theft") is a term referring to when a web page of one website owner is direct linking to the images or other multimedia files on the web host of another website owner (usually without permission, thus stealing bandwidth). This not only causes the other person to pay for the bandwidth of the hotlinked file, but often is intellectual property theft. The term is also used loosely (a misnomer) by free image hosts which allow you to store images on their server and allow you to direct link the hosted image files on forums or other websites (sometimes altering the image to have a watermark). One of the most common occurrences of "hot linking" is when people are forum posting and they hotlink pictures from another website to use as avatars or signature images on the messageboards (forums). Some disadvantages of hot linking worth considering are that the webpage generally loads slower when you link to images stored on a different web hosting server than the webpage is hosted on, and the owner of the image has full control to disable hotlinking, or delete, rename, or worse yet, do a "switcheroo" (i.e., switching the file name to be another image which is sure to cause the hotlinker embarrassment) of the hot-linked image. Common methods of preventing hotlinking are by using an .htaccess file, using the "Hotlink Protection" offered in control panels such as Cpanel, or simply renaming image files periodically."

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I think I'm starting to get a glimmer, Abbey!!! "Direct linking" and "hotlinking" are not identical !!! This would explain why Chezzie's sites are okay to direct link to for signatures etc. I'll explore more in the morning. You rock, Abbey.

Your two signature images come up with a clean bill of health via the hotlink test site, Jimbo. My own small photo of my swimming daughter on my internet provider where I pay for webhosting doesn't.

AussiePam;947888 wrote: This is the opening post.

Bryn, what I'm asking is why sites like Photobucket are different. It's a genuine question, not nitpicking. Photobucket and the other couple of apparently acceptable sites are outside ForumGarden - aren't they?. Fine for storing your images, but linking anything stored there remotely isn't using the Manage Attachments function at all - as far as I can see. In the graphics examples I cited, each one was linked directly to the remote site. Bandwidth is used in the when graphics are uploaded from them - isn't it?. Maybe the Admins there don't mind, but what's the difference from ForumGarden's point of view? You and Spot and Flopstock are techie Moderators. I'd really like an answer to this question.

Here is a hotlink?????



Here is the same image uploaded from my hard drive using the Manage Attachments function


Not nitpicking at all, a very good question that I couldn't immediately answer because it is still a hot link that takes up bandwidth.

So thanks to Chezzie and Koan who have come up with the answer - although it is a hot link, it isn't bandwidth theft as the site has given permission and therefore it isn't hotlinking.

Also, having given permission they have also agreed to host the image for a reasonable period of time and not to play fast and loose swaping the picture for something offensive.

Bryn Mawr;948755 wrote: Not nitpicking at all, a very good question that I couldn't immediately answer because it is still a hot link that takes up bandwidth.

So thanks to Chezzie and Koan who have come up with the answer - although it is a hot link, it isn't bandwidth theft as the site has given permission and therefore it isn't hotlinking.

Also, having given permission they have also agreed to host the image for a reasonable period of time and not to play fast and loose swaping the picture for something offensive.


Thankyou Bryn. I did some interesting research last night - with Abbey's help - and thought that must be the difference. Great to have it officially confirmed. And a definitive ruling given. I think I'm going to try and just use the Manage Attachments function or merely post a suggested link so a reader who wants to see an illustration can go to the actual website it's on and view it there, if they wish. Again, thank you!