Message to Sinn Fein....

Post by **spot** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:58 pm

There are different ways of introducing social change. You can take a path of continuous improvement, using and eventually modifying existing constitutional provisions. Alternatively, you can overthrow the existing constitutional provisions and set up a new political system lacking continuity with the past. The advantage of the first is that it doesn't climb to power over countless bodies.

I have no interest in revolution. I mistrust the ambition of revolutionaries. I doubt their benevolence.

Comparing the nations of the world, the UK is a socialist paradise and long may it remain one. It's capable of improvement. I'm doing what I can to improve it.

Given the choice of overthrowing the constitution of the USA or keeping what's currently there, I'd settle for the status quo.

Now, as for Ireland, by all means change the constitution, acquire a legitimate democratic mandate from both sides of the border for union, and make it happen - nobody is going to legitimately stand in the way of union after a majority referendum both in the Republic and in the Province. I'd work for such a conclusion. It's going to happen a lot quicker if the IRA stands down and demonstrably retains no arms caches. Getting to that point would be a clever finesse, not a loss of face.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sat May 21, 2005 4:02 pm

spot wrote: There are different ways of introducing social change. You can take a path of continuous improvement, using and eventually modifying existing constitutional provisions. Alternatively, you can overthrow the existing constitutional provisions and set up a new political system lacking continuity with the past. The advantage of the first is that it doesn't climb to power over countless bodies.

I have no interest in revolution. I mistrust the ambition of revolutionaries. I doubt their benevolence.

Comparing the nations of the world, the UK is a socialist paradise and long may it remain one. It's capable of improvement. I'm doing what I can to improve it.

Given the choice of overthrowing the constitution of the USA or keeping what's currently there, I'd settle for the status quo.

Now, as for Ireland, by all means change the constitution, acquire a legitimate democratic mandate from both sides of the border for union, and make it happen - nobody is going to legitimately stand in the way of union after a majority referendum both in the Republic and in the Province. I'd work for such a conclusion. It's going to happen a lot quicker if the IRA stands down and demonstrably retains no arms caches. Getting to that point would be a clever finesse, not a loss of face.I have to agree with you

Post by **spot** » Sat May 21, 2005 4:04 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: I have to agree with youYou can have Membership Card #2 then, Captain. I'll get some banners made... where shall we hold our first Rally?

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sat May 21, 2005 4:25 pm

ArnoldLayne wrote: You see, that is so presicely and clearly right and well put , I cannot fathom why someone of Davids obvious intelligence cant grasp it. Why cant they see further than the end of their nose .

Spot is right ,I dont trust their motives either

Both you and gmc are eloquent in your replies, I expect only narrow minded guff in reply ....if anygo raibh maith agat

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sat May 21, 2005 5:18 pm

ArnoldLayne wrote: Capt . Are you toying with me I had to duck as that one went over my headin English then, Thanks mate

Post by **spot** » Sat May 21, 2005 6:14 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: in English then, Thanks mateNÃƒÂ¡ habair ÃƒÂ©. TÃƒÂ¡ fÃƒÂ¡ilte romhat.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun May 22, 2005 1:21 am

S'a right pal.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun May 22, 2005 1:21 am

spot wrote: NÃƒÂ¡ habair ÃƒÂ©. TÃƒÂ¡ fÃƒÂ¡ilte romhat.Don't mention it Spot. Where did you pick that up?

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:23 am

spot wrote: You can have Membership Card #2 then, Captain. I'll get some banners made... where shall we hold our first Rally?Outside the Sinn Fein IRA office Belfast

beyelzu · Post by **beyelzu** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:45 am

David813 wrote: So is Jesus, Marx & Lenin.
and good riddance to all of them.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:51 am

Beyelzu, Welcome to Forum Garden.:-6

beyelzu · Post by **beyelzu** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:57 am

why thank you capitan.

do you mind if I call you capitan?

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun May 22, 2005 4:05 am

beyelzu wrote: why thank you capitan.

do you mind if I call you capitan?Not at all. Some folk here actually call me Comdt,;)

Post by **spot** » Sun May 22, 2005 7:21 am

capt_buzzard wrote: Don't mention it Spot. Where did you pick that up?I did some introductory Welsh and Erse lessons - what stopped me is the extraordinary spelling, it was worse than reading Russian. Why do you write TÃƒÂ¡ fÃƒÂ¡ilte romhat when what you say sounds like ta fort yerolt? Sat in a group, I can repeat the words and memorise them, but faced with a book I get nowhere.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Sun May 22, 2005 2:48 pm

spot wrote: I did some introductory Welsh and Erse lessons - what stopped me is the extraordinary spelling, it was worse than reading Russian. Why do you write TÃƒÂ¡ fÃƒÂ¡ilte romhat when what you say sounds like ta fort yerolt? Sat in a group, I can repeat the words and memorise them, but faced with a book I get nowhere.I can write it better than speak it. Some Euskadi Basque too:D