Consciousness is a key to understanding the truth. Its awareness, thoughts about our existance and Gods. How sensitive we are about our own awareness.
I will be looking into this over the next few months, and it is very revealing, very interesting.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
God and Consciousness.
Mickiel;1035391 wrote: Consciousness is a key to understanding the truth. Its awareness, thoughts about our existance and Gods. How sensitive we are about our own awareness.
I will be looking into this over the next few months, and it is very revealing, very interesting.
Peace.
Good luck on your quest.
I will be looking into this over the next few months, and it is very revealing, very interesting.
Peace.
Good luck on your quest.
God and Consciousness.
For God to be real, he then must be Conscious. A thinking being, powerfully aware and obviously holding great power of the Mind. God must be inwardly sensible and aware of his own existence.
To be endowed with consciousness, is to direct your own thoughts and attention unduly toward oneself, you are aware. Its really the upper level of mental life, simply marked by your awareness. You know and understand that you, are you, and that you are alive.
Life is not an illusion, its real, only a fool would deny this. What I want to do in this study, is to look at God and Consciousness. How they relate, what it means, how we have both understood and misunderstood consciousness, and how that has affected our view of God and the bible.
Peace.
To be endowed with consciousness, is to direct your own thoughts and attention unduly toward oneself, you are aware. Its really the upper level of mental life, simply marked by your awareness. You know and understand that you, are you, and that you are alive.
Life is not an illusion, its real, only a fool would deny this. What I want to do in this study, is to look at God and Consciousness. How they relate, what it means, how we have both understood and misunderstood consciousness, and how that has affected our view of God and the bible.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
One thing I know and partly understand, " I am Alive." The old saying, " I think, I feel, therefore I am." I am conscious. And I am partly conscious of God, not much, but a little, which is enough to fascinate me about him. And I really would like to know God, not know Christians, but to know this God they believe in.
I often wonder about God, his great Mind, his obvious great power, an incredible being. And when he created humanity, he gave each human consciousness, or self awareness. Interesting. I tend to believe God has created all kinds of beings, and I don't think he has given all of them consciousness, or self awareness. And this includes the beings created in the Spirit relm.
Just look at the beings he created on earth, only humanity has consciousness, animals do not. They exist only on instinct, not self aware intellect. And I personally believe that God created humans prior to Adam and Eve, but those humans didnot have Consciousness, they were more like the Animals of their time, holding only instinct and a miminal level of intellect and self survival. This explains why archaeology has found so many human remains, so far back and before civilized man came on the scene.
I think Adam and Eve were the first humans created " With Consciousness", or created in Gods Image, holding self awareness. I no longer accept the 6,000 year old human civilization teachings, they are simply incorrect. I cannot adhere to things that are obviously flawed, I want to be aware of the real truth, not traditional theory. And this desire effectively dismisses me from being in any church, they are not for me.
I want to be conscious of the real truth.
But I have come to understand, that such a desire, taken seriously, will isolate you, and turn you away from the commonly accepted flow of Knowledge. And you will be introduced to a certain kind of pain, and suffering. A mental pain will enter into your consciousness.
Why God created humans, or " Cavemen", with no consciousness, I have no ideal. I wish I knew. But Genesis is misunderstood, there is more than one creation of man in Genesis, more on that later, when I walk this through the bible. For some reason, God created humans prior to Adam, perhaps thousands of human years before Adam. I mean we have the evidence of this, those who have eyes to see it. Humans created prior to Adam, does NOTHING to disrupt ANY promise of Christ in the Bible. It changes nothing in Gods plans, but it would change a whole lot of human doctrine.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
I often wonder about God, his great Mind, his obvious great power, an incredible being. And when he created humanity, he gave each human consciousness, or self awareness. Interesting. I tend to believe God has created all kinds of beings, and I don't think he has given all of them consciousness, or self awareness. And this includes the beings created in the Spirit relm.
Just look at the beings he created on earth, only humanity has consciousness, animals do not. They exist only on instinct, not self aware intellect. And I personally believe that God created humans prior to Adam and Eve, but those humans didnot have Consciousness, they were more like the Animals of their time, holding only instinct and a miminal level of intellect and self survival. This explains why archaeology has found so many human remains, so far back and before civilized man came on the scene.
I think Adam and Eve were the first humans created " With Consciousness", or created in Gods Image, holding self awareness. I no longer accept the 6,000 year old human civilization teachings, they are simply incorrect. I cannot adhere to things that are obviously flawed, I want to be aware of the real truth, not traditional theory. And this desire effectively dismisses me from being in any church, they are not for me.
I want to be conscious of the real truth.
But I have come to understand, that such a desire, taken seriously, will isolate you, and turn you away from the commonly accepted flow of Knowledge. And you will be introduced to a certain kind of pain, and suffering. A mental pain will enter into your consciousness.
Why God created humans, or " Cavemen", with no consciousness, I have no ideal. I wish I knew. But Genesis is misunderstood, there is more than one creation of man in Genesis, more on that later, when I walk this through the bible. For some reason, God created humans prior to Adam, perhaps thousands of human years before Adam. I mean we have the evidence of this, those who have eyes to see it. Humans created prior to Adam, does NOTHING to disrupt ANY promise of Christ in the Bible. It changes nothing in Gods plans, but it would change a whole lot of human doctrine.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Mickiel;1035940 wrote: One thing I know and partly understand, " I am Alive." The old saying, " I think, I feel, therefore I am." I am conscious. And I am partly conscious of God, not much, but a little, which is enough to fascinate me about him. And I really would like to know God, not know Christians, but to know this God they believe in.
I often wonder about God, his great Mind, his obvious great power, an incredible being. And when he created humanity, he gave each human consciousness, or self awareness. Interesting. I tend to believe God has created all kinds of beings, and I don't think he has given all of them consciousness, or self awareness. And this includes the beings created in the Spirit relm.
Just look at the beings he created on earth, only humanity has consciousness, animals do not. They exist only on instinct, not self aware intellect. And I personally believe that God created humans prior to Adam and Eve, but those humans didnot have Consciousness, they were more like the Animals of their time, holding only instinct and a miminal level of intellect and self survival. This explains why archaeology has found so many human remains, so far back and before civilized man came on the scene.
I think Adam and Eve were the first humans created " With Consciousness", or created in Gods Image, holding self awareness. I no longer accept the 6,000 year old human civilization teachings, they are simply incorrect. I cannot adhere to things that are obviously flawed, I want to be aware of the real truth, not traditional theory. And this desire effectively dismisses me from being in any church, they are not for me.
I want to be conscious of the real truth.
But I have come to understand, that such a desire, taken seriously, will isolate you, and turn you away from the commonly accepted flow of Knowledge. And you will be introduced to a certain kind of pain, and suffering. A mental pain will enter into your consciousness.
Why God created humans, or " Cavemen", with no consciousness, I have no ideal. I wish I knew. But Genesis is misunderstood, there is more than one creation of man in Genesis, more on that later, when I walk this through the bible. For some reason, God created humans prior to Adam, perhaps thousands of human years before Adam. I mean we have the evidence of this, those who have eyes to see it. Humans created prior to Adam, does NOTHING to disrupt ANY promise of Christ in the Bible. It changes nothing in Gods plans, but it would change a whole lot of human doctrine.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Finding the answers to your quest might involve going to Tibet and sitting on a mountain top, turning a prayer wheel and muttering a mantra, then and only then will the TRUTH become apparent.
I often wonder about God, his great Mind, his obvious great power, an incredible being. And when he created humanity, he gave each human consciousness, or self awareness. Interesting. I tend to believe God has created all kinds of beings, and I don't think he has given all of them consciousness, or self awareness. And this includes the beings created in the Spirit relm.
Just look at the beings he created on earth, only humanity has consciousness, animals do not. They exist only on instinct, not self aware intellect. And I personally believe that God created humans prior to Adam and Eve, but those humans didnot have Consciousness, they were more like the Animals of their time, holding only instinct and a miminal level of intellect and self survival. This explains why archaeology has found so many human remains, so far back and before civilized man came on the scene.
I think Adam and Eve were the first humans created " With Consciousness", or created in Gods Image, holding self awareness. I no longer accept the 6,000 year old human civilization teachings, they are simply incorrect. I cannot adhere to things that are obviously flawed, I want to be aware of the real truth, not traditional theory. And this desire effectively dismisses me from being in any church, they are not for me.
I want to be conscious of the real truth.
But I have come to understand, that such a desire, taken seriously, will isolate you, and turn you away from the commonly accepted flow of Knowledge. And you will be introduced to a certain kind of pain, and suffering. A mental pain will enter into your consciousness.
Why God created humans, or " Cavemen", with no consciousness, I have no ideal. I wish I knew. But Genesis is misunderstood, there is more than one creation of man in Genesis, more on that later, when I walk this through the bible. For some reason, God created humans prior to Adam, perhaps thousands of human years before Adam. I mean we have the evidence of this, those who have eyes to see it. Humans created prior to Adam, does NOTHING to disrupt ANY promise of Christ in the Bible. It changes nothing in Gods plans, but it would change a whole lot of human doctrine.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Finding the answers to your quest might involve going to Tibet and sitting on a mountain top, turning a prayer wheel and muttering a mantra, then and only then will the TRUTH become apparent.
God and Consciousness.
Really Consciousness is a dialog within, a dialog that is not soley produced by the brain. I believe consciousness is " The Spirit in man." Something that cannot be mapped by the scientist, or graphed by the nuerololigist. Its just there. And I think it comes from God. I think it is controlled by God and maintained by God, it was created by God.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Mickiel;1035977 wrote: Really Consciousness is a dialog within, a dialog that is not soley produced by the brain. I believe consciousness is " The Spirit in man." Something that cannot be mapped by the scientist, or graphed by the nuerololigist. Its just there. And I think it comes from God. I think it is controlled by God and maintained by God, it was created by God.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
I wish you well on getting into that. Along the way you may wish to contemplate why God chose to make creation in such a complicated fashion and over such a very very long period, and why he created single celled animals before man. It just seems the whole process could have been made much simpler, I mean, why dinosaurs over millions of years, and the variety, holy smokes. Of course there are some that think this whole complicated process began 6,000 years ago. Oh well. More to contemplate.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
I wish you well on getting into that. Along the way you may wish to contemplate why God chose to make creation in such a complicated fashion and over such a very very long period, and why he created single celled animals before man. It just seems the whole process could have been made much simpler, I mean, why dinosaurs over millions of years, and the variety, holy smokes. Of course there are some that think this whole complicated process began 6,000 years ago. Oh well. More to contemplate.
God and Consciousness.
Mickiel;1035920 wrote: For God to be real, he then must be Conscious. A thinking being, powerfully aware and obviously holding great power of the Mind. God must be inwardly sensible and aware of his own existence.Once you impose restrictions you may well be eliminating the truth.
You're conscious, nobody doubts that.
If you enquire of a passive unknowing universe which is capable of many responses, and if you follow the response which you find meaningful, then you're defining God yourself. At the same time you're approaching him, clarifying and his refining his nature, engaging in dialog. That's still only one consciousness, your own. God emerges from your interaction with reality. Your path is undoubtedly going to be different to mine. What we find will be quite different Gods - some vengeful fundamentalist power-freaks, some broken powerless quiet voices, an entire pantheon. But if you try, sometimes you might find you get what you need.
You're conscious, nobody doubts that.
If you enquire of a passive unknowing universe which is capable of many responses, and if you follow the response which you find meaningful, then you're defining God yourself. At the same time you're approaching him, clarifying and his refining his nature, engaging in dialog. That's still only one consciousness, your own. God emerges from your interaction with reality. Your path is undoubtedly going to be different to mine. What we find will be quite different Gods - some vengeful fundamentalist power-freaks, some broken powerless quiet voices, an entire pantheon. But if you try, sometimes you might find you get what you need.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
God and Consciousness.
"For God to be real, he then must be Conscious."
This statement intrigues me. What is your hypothesis for it?
In a later post you refer to Christians. Is it the Christian God that you are referring to?
This statement intrigues me. What is your hypothesis for it?
In a later post you refer to Christians. Is it the Christian God that you are referring to?
God and Consciousness.
OpenMind;1036935 wrote: "For God to be real, he then must be Conscious."
This statement intrigues me. What is your hypothesis for it?
In a later post you refer to Christians. Is it the Christian God that you are referring to?
No, there is no such thing as the Christian God, God is the Father of all, not just a particular group that lays claim to him. The statement " Christian God", is a misnomer, and misleading. The whole earth belongs to God, I am refering to the owner of reality.
The owner of Consciousness, the owner of the past, present and future. The owner of Life. If there is a God, and I certainly believe there is, then he must be conscious, because his creations are conscious. One begats the other, one comes from the other.
I Live, so there is a reason I live. I think, so there is a reason I think.
I think, so God must have thought first.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
This statement intrigues me. What is your hypothesis for it?
In a later post you refer to Christians. Is it the Christian God that you are referring to?
No, there is no such thing as the Christian God, God is the Father of all, not just a particular group that lays claim to him. The statement " Christian God", is a misnomer, and misleading. The whole earth belongs to God, I am refering to the owner of reality.
The owner of Consciousness, the owner of the past, present and future. The owner of Life. If there is a God, and I certainly believe there is, then he must be conscious, because his creations are conscious. One begats the other, one comes from the other.
I Live, so there is a reason I live. I think, so there is a reason I think.
I think, so God must have thought first.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
spot;1035991 wrote: Once you impose restrictions you may well be eliminating the truth.
You're conscious, nobody doubts that.
If you enquire of a passive unknowing universe which is capable of many responses, and if you follow the response which you find meaningful, then you're defining God yourself. At the same time you're approaching him, clarifying and his refining his nature, engaging in dialog. That's still only one consciousness, your own. God emerges from your interaction with reality. Your path is undoubtedly going to be different to mine. What we find will be quite different Gods - some vengeful fundamentalist power-freaks, some broken powerless quiet voices, an entire pantheon. But if you try, sometimes you might find you get what you need.
Noteworthy points, some of which I agree with.
I really don't know how my search will end, because I don't know God. I am conscious of him, but there are many enpty spaces in my consciousness. Its not complette.
My view of God is already quite different than those that I run into.
And I do hope I get what I need, because I need a lot.
Peace.
You're conscious, nobody doubts that.
If you enquire of a passive unknowing universe which is capable of many responses, and if you follow the response which you find meaningful, then you're defining God yourself. At the same time you're approaching him, clarifying and his refining his nature, engaging in dialog. That's still only one consciousness, your own. God emerges from your interaction with reality. Your path is undoubtedly going to be different to mine. What we find will be quite different Gods - some vengeful fundamentalist power-freaks, some broken powerless quiet voices, an entire pantheon. But if you try, sometimes you might find you get what you need.
Noteworthy points, some of which I agree with.
I really don't know how my search will end, because I don't know God. I am conscious of him, but there are many enpty spaces in my consciousness. Its not complette.
My view of God is already quite different than those that I run into.
And I do hope I get what I need, because I need a lot.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Lon;1035983 wrote: I wish you well on getting into that. Along the way you may wish to contemplate why God chose to make creation in such a complicated fashion and over such a very very long period, and why he created single celled animals before man. It just seems the whole process could have been made much simpler, I mean, why dinosaurs over millions of years, and the variety, holy smokes. Of course there are some that think this whole complicated process began 6,000 years ago. Oh well. More to contemplate.
It is complicated, and I understand the questions, I have many myself.
I think you are right, God could have made it more simple, strange that he didnot.
I mean, very strange that he didnot. I wish I understood why not.
Peace.
It is complicated, and I understand the questions, I have many myself.
I think you are right, God could have made it more simple, strange that he didnot.
I mean, very strange that he didnot. I wish I understood why not.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Gods Consciousness must be highly exceptional, which is why I believe in universal salvation for all, because such a Consciousness as God must hold, wouldnot accept less. Because he holds the power to accomplish it, and yet its hard to judge God even according to that. He holds the power to stop all war, but he does not. So at times, its hard to judge God, or determine what and why he does things, or does not do things.
Its almost as if God couldcareless what we think about how he does things. I don't think its because of arrogance, I think its because of his Consciousness, hes already aware of how things will turn out, so why should he worry about it?
Man, I wish I was like that.
Anyhow, I want to go into why God does things, and how that relates to his Consciousness.
Peace.
Its almost as if God couldcareless what we think about how he does things. I don't think its because of arrogance, I think its because of his Consciousness, hes already aware of how things will turn out, so why should he worry about it?
Man, I wish I was like that.
Anyhow, I want to go into why God does things, and how that relates to his Consciousness.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
I don't see Consciousness as a result of the brain, Consciousness is not a learned behavior, its a constant. No matter how we train the brain, none of that trainning results in Consciousness. No two or three componants within the brain results in Consciousness. No knowledge results in Consciousness. Its just there.
And I think thats how God is, hes just there. Nothing developed him, no two or three componants resulted in him being alive, no knowledge resulted in there being a God. And I view God as being constant, relevant, steady and sure, we are just not sure of him, but he must be sure of himself. He said " I am what I am", almost as if he does not care to explain what he is. A statement of complette awareness, that may or maynot share his awareness.
That is something unusual about God, he does not seem to be inclinded to explain everything to humanity, and he knows our dire need to know. God has, for the most part that I can see, basically kept himself hidden from humanity. Its as if he has created human consciousness, and then imprisioned it, locked it up with limitations.
I do not view consciousness as comming from unconsciousness, as far as its orgin. As if it developed on its own, from absolute zero. Although many have made this incredible leap, I refuse to do such a thing in my belief, I must remain for real, or my mind will give place to fantasy.
I view God as the orgin of both human consciousness, and Spirit beings who hold Consciousness.
For a being like God to create Consciousness, that is literally impossible, in my mind. Such a great feat, surely God really is almighty, he has to be to create Life. And billions of forms of Life, and conscious beings.
I want to know this being.
But its not that easy.
And i want to touch on why.
Peace.
And I think thats how God is, hes just there. Nothing developed him, no two or three componants resulted in him being alive, no knowledge resulted in there being a God. And I view God as being constant, relevant, steady and sure, we are just not sure of him, but he must be sure of himself. He said " I am what I am", almost as if he does not care to explain what he is. A statement of complette awareness, that may or maynot share his awareness.
That is something unusual about God, he does not seem to be inclinded to explain everything to humanity, and he knows our dire need to know. God has, for the most part that I can see, basically kept himself hidden from humanity. Its as if he has created human consciousness, and then imprisioned it, locked it up with limitations.
I do not view consciousness as comming from unconsciousness, as far as its orgin. As if it developed on its own, from absolute zero. Although many have made this incredible leap, I refuse to do such a thing in my belief, I must remain for real, or my mind will give place to fantasy.
I view God as the orgin of both human consciousness, and Spirit beings who hold Consciousness.
For a being like God to create Consciousness, that is literally impossible, in my mind. Such a great feat, surely God really is almighty, he has to be to create Life. And billions of forms of Life, and conscious beings.
I want to know this being.
But its not that easy.
And i want to touch on why.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Many people do not believe in God, yet consciousness surely should be questioned within their unbelief. Why does Consciousness exist at all?
There has got to be a God, a source of consciousness, thus a source of pure reason and powerful thought.
Why does consciousness attract the self so much? Its as if its this thing in your head, that tells you , you are. But Why?
If a God, then Why Consciousness?
If not a God, then still Why?
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
There has got to be a God, a source of consciousness, thus a source of pure reason and powerful thought.
Why does consciousness attract the self so much? Its as if its this thing in your head, that tells you , you are. But Why?
If a God, then Why Consciousness?
If not a God, then still Why?
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Mickiel;1036975 wrote: No, there is no such thing as the Christian God, God is the Father of all, not just a particular group that lays claim to him. The statement " Christian God", is a misnomer, and misleading. The whole earth belongs to God, I am refering to the owner of reality.
The owner of Consciousness, the owner of the past, present and future. The owner of Life. If there is a God, and I certainly believe there is, then he must be conscious, because his creations are conscious. One begats the other, one comes from the other.
I Live, so there is a reason I live. I think, so there is a reason I think.
I think, so God must have thought first.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
What I see are presumptions but nothing that is logically sound. In Hinduism, the God of the Christians would simply be one of many and even then an intermediary between physical life and what the Hindus consider to be the ultimate state - Nirvana.
My awareness and consciousness is the product of my brain. As the many electrical impulses pass between the various nodes of the brain, an electromagnetic field is created. I could, from this, presume that the same occurs for all creatures with a brain. I could also presume that the universe as a whole has a consciousness because we were created out of its substance, we are a part of its substance, and through its substance, we are interconnected with the whole of it. I can only presume this, I cannot state it as a fact.
I could not presume that as human beings are conscious, God must also be conscious. This is a presumption also, that God exists at all.
The owner of Consciousness, the owner of the past, present and future. The owner of Life. If there is a God, and I certainly believe there is, then he must be conscious, because his creations are conscious. One begats the other, one comes from the other.
I Live, so there is a reason I live. I think, so there is a reason I think.
I think, so God must have thought first.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
What I see are presumptions but nothing that is logically sound. In Hinduism, the God of the Christians would simply be one of many and even then an intermediary between physical life and what the Hindus consider to be the ultimate state - Nirvana.
My awareness and consciousness is the product of my brain. As the many electrical impulses pass between the various nodes of the brain, an electromagnetic field is created. I could, from this, presume that the same occurs for all creatures with a brain. I could also presume that the universe as a whole has a consciousness because we were created out of its substance, we are a part of its substance, and through its substance, we are interconnected with the whole of it. I can only presume this, I cannot state it as a fact.
I could not presume that as human beings are conscious, God must also be conscious. This is a presumption also, that God exists at all.
God and Consciousness.
My view of God is already quite different than those that I run into.
Would you care to expand on your view of God?
My view of God is one of a concept developed by humans to explain the inexplicable on the one hand, and to control the masses on the other.
On the other hand, I have perceived that there is an element of nature that is interactive with our thought processes and emotions. At the moment, I am seeking an explanation to this through particle physics. At this level, it is clear that there is very little to differentiate between my body, the air around me, and the ground I stand, on except for the density of the activities of the various particles. Some particles, however, do not remain within these 'particle clouds', but are transmitted outwards and are received inwards. The transmitted particles effect the fields of any particles encountered along its various trajectories.
God and Consciousness.
[QUOTE=OpenMind;1038093]Would you care to expand on your view of God?
I have two other post here that expand on my views of God, I suggest a review of them.
I am here, therefore I exist. I have a mind, a consciousness, therefore, in my view, something greater than I was here first, and was responsible for me being here. I will NEVER accept that something less than I, was responsible for me becomming greater than it. Just as many consider the concept of God as foolishness, I consider the belief that consciousness came from unconsciousness to be even more foolish.
The big bang theory holds no information that will yeild me answers. The tadpole theory is not for me. Physics and science are not designed to fulfill my quest for truth, they are utterly innsufficent to quench what beckons my search for truth. What bangs another mans bell, well thats just for them. Deep within my consciousness, I know that I was made. I was not grown from happenstance situational climactic events beyond anyones control. I believe God controls all things relevant to humanitys existence.
I do not insult my quest with meaningless tribble, nor do I insult anyoneslses quest by challanging their ways and means of understanding.
To each their own.
As for me, I search for God, I believe the real truth is there.
Somewhere in Gods mind, are the answers we seek. But hes not giving out those answers. And that is why the confusion. Men are trying to give the answers, and that is why the confusion exist within our consciousness.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
I have two other post here that expand on my views of God, I suggest a review of them.
I am here, therefore I exist. I have a mind, a consciousness, therefore, in my view, something greater than I was here first, and was responsible for me being here. I will NEVER accept that something less than I, was responsible for me becomming greater than it. Just as many consider the concept of God as foolishness, I consider the belief that consciousness came from unconsciousness to be even more foolish.
The big bang theory holds no information that will yeild me answers. The tadpole theory is not for me. Physics and science are not designed to fulfill my quest for truth, they are utterly innsufficent to quench what beckons my search for truth. What bangs another mans bell, well thats just for them. Deep within my consciousness, I know that I was made. I was not grown from happenstance situational climactic events beyond anyones control. I believe God controls all things relevant to humanitys existence.
I do not insult my quest with meaningless tribble, nor do I insult anyoneslses quest by challanging their ways and means of understanding.
To each their own.
As for me, I search for God, I believe the real truth is there.
Somewhere in Gods mind, are the answers we seek. But hes not giving out those answers. And that is why the confusion. Men are trying to give the answers, and that is why the confusion exist within our consciousness.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Mickiel;1038426 wrote: [quote=OpenMind;1038093]Would you care to expand on your view of God?
I have two other post here that expand on my views of God, I suggest a review of them.
I am here, therefore I exist. I have a mind, a consciousness, therefore, in my view, something greater than I was here first, and was responsible for me being here. I will NEVER accept that something less than I, was responsible for me becomming greater than it. Just as many consider the concept of God as foolishness, I consider the belief that consciousness came from unconsciousness to be even more foolish.
The big bang theory holds no information that will yeild me answers. The tadpole theory is not for me. Physics and science are not designed to fulfill my quest for truth, they are utterly innsufficent to quench what beckons my search for truth. What bangs another mans bell, well thats just for them. Deep within my consciousness, I know that I was made. I was not grown from happenstance situational climactic events beyond anyones control. I believe God controls all things relevant to humanitys existence.
I do not insult my quest with meaningless tribble, nor do I insult anyoneslses quest by challanging their ways and means of understanding.
To each their own.
As for me, I search for God, I believe the real truth is there.
Somewhere in Gods mind, are the answers we seek. But hes not giving out those answers. And that is why the confusion. Men are trying to give the answers, and that is why the confusion exist within our consciousness.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
it seems to me then that you can say what you wish and if it suits you, you will believe it. Surely, providing god exists, it is not what you believe, necessarily, but what god determines that is true. And who are you to say that the electromagnetic field is unconscious? Can you actually sense your neighbour's consciousness? If not, then aside from making the obvious assumption that since your neighbour is the same as yourself and therefore must have a consciousness, you cannot determine where any consciousness lies or in what.
Still, since you seem to find my posts inflammatory, I will no longer post on your threads.
Peace.
I have two other post here that expand on my views of God, I suggest a review of them.
I am here, therefore I exist. I have a mind, a consciousness, therefore, in my view, something greater than I was here first, and was responsible for me being here. I will NEVER accept that something less than I, was responsible for me becomming greater than it. Just as many consider the concept of God as foolishness, I consider the belief that consciousness came from unconsciousness to be even more foolish.
The big bang theory holds no information that will yeild me answers. The tadpole theory is not for me. Physics and science are not designed to fulfill my quest for truth, they are utterly innsufficent to quench what beckons my search for truth. What bangs another mans bell, well thats just for them. Deep within my consciousness, I know that I was made. I was not grown from happenstance situational climactic events beyond anyones control. I believe God controls all things relevant to humanitys existence.
I do not insult my quest with meaningless tribble, nor do I insult anyoneslses quest by challanging their ways and means of understanding.
To each their own.
As for me, I search for God, I believe the real truth is there.
Somewhere in Gods mind, are the answers we seek. But hes not giving out those answers. And that is why the confusion. Men are trying to give the answers, and that is why the confusion exist within our consciousness.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
it seems to me then that you can say what you wish and if it suits you, you will believe it. Surely, providing god exists, it is not what you believe, necessarily, but what god determines that is true. And who are you to say that the electromagnetic field is unconscious? Can you actually sense your neighbour's consciousness? If not, then aside from making the obvious assumption that since your neighbour is the same as yourself and therefore must have a consciousness, you cannot determine where any consciousness lies or in what.
Still, since you seem to find my posts inflammatory, I will no longer post on your threads.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
OpenMind;1038655 wrote: [quote=Mickiel;1038426]
it seems to me then that you can say what you wish and if it suits you, you will believe it. Surely, providing god exists, it is not what you believe, necessarily, but what god determines that is true. And who are you to say that the electromagnetic field is unconscious? Can you actually sense your neighbour's consciousness? If not, then aside from making the obvious assumption that since your neighbour is the same as yourself and therefore must have a consciousness, you cannot determine where any consciousness lies or in what.
Still, since you seem to find my posts inflammatory, I will no longer post on your threads.
Peace.
I do not view your thoughts as inflammatory, and have not given any indication that I do. Thus, it is your assumptions of others that is really inflamed. It is you, not me, who has gotten excited about whatever.
Yet, I have no quarrell with you not posting, wherever you decide to do that, it makes no difference to me what you do, or don't do.
I understand that people are sensitive, and knowing myself, perhaps its best you do move away from me, because I will be very real and blunt about things, and I can hardly speak with sensitive people, without some hurt comming out of nowhere.
Peace to you anyhow.
it seems to me then that you can say what you wish and if it suits you, you will believe it. Surely, providing god exists, it is not what you believe, necessarily, but what god determines that is true. And who are you to say that the electromagnetic field is unconscious? Can you actually sense your neighbour's consciousness? If not, then aside from making the obvious assumption that since your neighbour is the same as yourself and therefore must have a consciousness, you cannot determine where any consciousness lies or in what.
Still, since you seem to find my posts inflammatory, I will no longer post on your threads.
Peace.
I do not view your thoughts as inflammatory, and have not given any indication that I do. Thus, it is your assumptions of others that is really inflamed. It is you, not me, who has gotten excited about whatever.
Yet, I have no quarrell with you not posting, wherever you decide to do that, it makes no difference to me what you do, or don't do.
I understand that people are sensitive, and knowing myself, perhaps its best you do move away from me, because I will be very real and blunt about things, and I can hardly speak with sensitive people, without some hurt comming out of nowhere.
Peace to you anyhow.
God and Consciousness.
In the whole scheme of consciousness, life is but a moment. Some approach this with the awareness of that moment, so they seek to enjoy it. Others look to dominate the moment, claim it, while others just go along with the flow of the moment. Even still, others rebel against the moment. Then a few worship the moment, make a god of it, while others look to hide from it.
The pacification of self will produce a rainbow coalition of human reaction, and we build sdtandards of belief from these reactions.
Such is how it is to be conscious. The thoughts can run wild.
And I want to go into the volitile nature of consciousness.
Peace.
The pacification of self will produce a rainbow coalition of human reaction, and we build sdtandards of belief from these reactions.
Such is how it is to be conscious. The thoughts can run wild.
And I want to go into the volitile nature of consciousness.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Mickiel;1038690 wrote: [quote=OpenMind;1038655]
I do not view your thoughts as inflammatory, and have not given any indication that I do. Thus, it is your assumptions of others that is really inflamed. It is you, not me, who has gotten excited about whatever.
Yet, I have no quarrell with you not posting, wherever you decide to do that, it makes no difference to me what you do, or don't do.
I understand that people are sensitive, and knowing myself, perhaps its best you do move away from me, because I will be very real and blunt about things, and I can hardly speak with sensitive people, without some hurt comming out of nowhere.
Peace to you anyhow.
There is no excitement on my part.
However, you said I do not insult my quest with meaningless tribble, nor do I insult anyoneslses quest by challanging their ways and means of understanding. and I assumed that you found my comments and questions insulting.
I do not view your thoughts as inflammatory, and have not given any indication that I do. Thus, it is your assumptions of others that is really inflamed. It is you, not me, who has gotten excited about whatever.
Yet, I have no quarrell with you not posting, wherever you decide to do that, it makes no difference to me what you do, or don't do.
I understand that people are sensitive, and knowing myself, perhaps its best you do move away from me, because I will be very real and blunt about things, and I can hardly speak with sensitive people, without some hurt comming out of nowhere.
Peace to you anyhow.
There is no excitement on my part.
However, you said I do not insult my quest with meaningless tribble, nor do I insult anyoneslses quest by challanging their ways and means of understanding. and I assumed that you found my comments and questions insulting.
God and Consciousness.
OpenMind;1038695 wrote: [quote=Mickiel;1038690]
There is no excitement on my part.
However, you said and I assumed that you found my comments and questions insulting.
Well you were inncorrect, and as I have stated, it was your assumptions that were inflamed, not me.
you know if your going to say and do things, blame yourself for what you do and say, not others.
Peace.
There is no excitement on my part.
However, you said and I assumed that you found my comments and questions insulting.
Well you were inncorrect, and as I have stated, it was your assumptions that were inflamed, not me.
you know if your going to say and do things, blame yourself for what you do and say, not others.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Mickiel;1038697 wrote: [quote=OpenMind;1038695]
Well you were inncorrect, and as I have stated, it was your assumptions that were inflamed, not me.
you know if your going to say and do things, blame yourself for what you do and say, not others.
Peace.
Seems to me that our definitions of the word 'inflamed' differ greatly. I am not inflamed, as I have already said, nor are my comments. I accept your statement that you were not insulted. That's fine.
Did I ever blame anyone else for what I said (or did)? I am not aware that I did and would be quite happy if you showed me where I blamed another for my words.
Well you were inncorrect, and as I have stated, it was your assumptions that were inflamed, not me.
you know if your going to say and do things, blame yourself for what you do and say, not others.
Peace.
Seems to me that our definitions of the word 'inflamed' differ greatly. I am not inflamed, as I have already said, nor are my comments. I accept your statement that you were not insulted. That's fine.
Did I ever blame anyone else for what I said (or did)? I am not aware that I did and would be quite happy if you showed me where I blamed another for my words.
God and Consciousness.
OpenMind;1038700 wrote: [quote=Mickiel;1038697]
Seems to me that our definitions of the word 'inflamed' differ greatly. I am not inflamed, as I have already said, nor are my comments. I accept your statement that you were not insulted. That's fine.
Did I ever blame anyone else for what I said (or did)? I am not aware that I did and would be quite happy if you showed me where I blamed another for my words.
I hold no intrest in examining your behavior, at the moment, I am sharing my intrest in consciousness and God.
If I may continue on that them;
Consciousness is a jewell, its golden and priceless. Thus, I can see it as something that should last forever. Now whenever I start trying to examine eternity, quess who comes into the picture; God!
God, eternity and consciousness. Now that is a formula for the unknown, and I think our future. And I want to touch on that some.
Peace.
Seems to me that our definitions of the word 'inflamed' differ greatly. I am not inflamed, as I have already said, nor are my comments. I accept your statement that you were not insulted. That's fine.
Did I ever blame anyone else for what I said (or did)? I am not aware that I did and would be quite happy if you showed me where I blamed another for my words.
I hold no intrest in examining your behavior, at the moment, I am sharing my intrest in consciousness and God.
If I may continue on that them;
Consciousness is a jewell, its golden and priceless. Thus, I can see it as something that should last forever. Now whenever I start trying to examine eternity, quess who comes into the picture; God!
God, eternity and consciousness. Now that is a formula for the unknown, and I think our future. And I want to touch on that some.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
I hold no intrest in examining your behavior, at the moment, I am sharing my intrest in consciousness and God.
Then don't examine my behaviour. That is your prerogative. Just remember that you have posted this thread on a public forum that is open to comments by anyone who wishes to do so according to what they want to say.
The point and purpose of the forum is debate, after all.
God and Consciousness.
OpenMind;1038711 wrote: Then don't examine my behaviour. That is your prerogative. Just remember that you have posted this thread on a public forum that is open to comments by anyone who wishes to do so according to what they want to say.
The point and purpose of the forum is debate, after all.
I am open to all comments, but I am only communicating further on the comments according to what intrest me. I am not intrested in anyones personage, or emotional content. As far as debate, I hold no intrest in that neither, but I am sure that you will find many who are.
People find debate, because its easy to find.
Relevant conversation is a far differing thing to find.
Peace.
The point and purpose of the forum is debate, after all.
I am open to all comments, but I am only communicating further on the comments according to what intrest me. I am not intrested in anyones personage, or emotional content. As far as debate, I hold no intrest in that neither, but I am sure that you will find many who are.
People find debate, because its easy to find.
Relevant conversation is a far differing thing to find.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Mickiel;1038759 wrote: I am open to all comments, but I am only communicating further on the comments according to what intrest me. I am not intrested in anyones personage, or emotional content. As far as debate, I hold no intrest in that neither, but I am sure that you will find many who are.
People find debate, because its easy to find.
Relevant conversation is a far differing thing to find.
Peace.
I hope you find what you are looking for Mikiel.
I'll leave you in peace.
People find debate, because its easy to find.
Relevant conversation is a far differing thing to find.
Peace.
I hope you find what you are looking for Mikiel.
I'll leave you in peace.
God and Consciousness.
OpenMind;1038776 wrote: I hope you find what you are looking for Mikiel.
I'll leave you in peace.
Peace to you as well.
I'll leave you in peace.
Peace to you as well.
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God and Consciousness.
I understand you want conversation, well, I have a question for you. Maybe you've been asked this before. How can you link together the thoughts of "God" and "Consciousness", or even "Eternity" and "Consciousness". Those pairings have nothing in common. "God" can't have anything to do with "Consciousness" since "God" is not a part of the conscious mind. "God" is worshiped through faith, and faith has everything to do with the unconscious mind. If faith had any bearing in the conscious mind, then life as we know it would be perfect or ruinous. With faith in the conscious mind, sin would be irrelevant, and without sin our society would collapse on itself. Sin is what gives people drive to do more with themselves. If no one had sin then no one would bother to better themselves and would just live in solace.
Secondly, "Eternity" and "Consciousness" also have nothing in common. As the conscious mind ends at death, and what would be the point if it did. "Consciousness" as a whole may exist forever, but not in a singular view.
Secondly, "Eternity" and "Consciousness" also have nothing in common. As the conscious mind ends at death, and what would be the point if it did. "Consciousness" as a whole may exist forever, but not in a singular view.
God and Consciousness.
Faith in Doubt;1042892 wrote: I understand you want conversation, well, I have a question for you. Quote.
I have not asked for conversation, I simply stated that I do not mind it. I am not searching for it.
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Maybe you've been asked this before. How can you link together the thoughts of "God" and "Consciousness", or even "Eternity" and "Consciousness". Those pairings have nothing in common. "God" can't have anything to do with "Consciousness" since "God" is not a part of the conscious mind. "God" is worshiped through faith, and faith has everything to do with the unconscious mind. If faith had any bearing in the conscious mind, then life as we know it would be perfect or ruinous. With faith in the conscious mind, sin would be irrelevant, and without sin our society would collapse on itself. Sin is what gives people drive to do more with themselves. If no one had sin then no one would bother to better themselves and would just live in solace.
Secondly, "Eternity" and "Consciousness" also have nothing in common. As the conscious mind ends at death, and what would be the point if it did. "Consciousness" as a whole may exist forever, but not in a singular view.
Well, me personally, I do not seperate God and consciousness. I don't seperate God from anything, because I think he has something to do with everything. Even sin. And yes, I agree that sin is deeply intwined within our society, but I disagree that society would collaspe if it didnot have sin, I can't see why you believe that.
As far as eternity and Consciousness, they are a part of the same reality that is God.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
I have not asked for conversation, I simply stated that I do not mind it. I am not searching for it.
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Maybe you've been asked this before. How can you link together the thoughts of "God" and "Consciousness", or even "Eternity" and "Consciousness". Those pairings have nothing in common. "God" can't have anything to do with "Consciousness" since "God" is not a part of the conscious mind. "God" is worshiped through faith, and faith has everything to do with the unconscious mind. If faith had any bearing in the conscious mind, then life as we know it would be perfect or ruinous. With faith in the conscious mind, sin would be irrelevant, and without sin our society would collapse on itself. Sin is what gives people drive to do more with themselves. If no one had sin then no one would bother to better themselves and would just live in solace.
Secondly, "Eternity" and "Consciousness" also have nothing in common. As the conscious mind ends at death, and what would be the point if it did. "Consciousness" as a whole may exist forever, but not in a singular view.
Well, me personally, I do not seperate God and consciousness. I don't seperate God from anything, because I think he has something to do with everything. Even sin. And yes, I agree that sin is deeply intwined within our society, but I disagree that society would collaspe if it didnot have sin, I can't see why you believe that.
As far as eternity and Consciousness, they are a part of the same reality that is God.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
There is a scripture in the bible that states " In him , we Live and Move and have our Being." That is a complette , total spread. Its really total control. In God, we are alive, we are manipulated and we have our consciousness because of him.
Life is consciousness, and life comes from God, as does consciousness. In God, we are what we are, and will be exactly what he wants us all to be. There is no other real reality, and absoultely no exceptions to this.
Gods control of the conscious beings is total, and he is mostly dealing with our unconscious minds as of now. God can manipulate either consciousness, or the unconscious mind. I tend to believe he is , for the most part, dealing with humanity unconsciouly..
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
Life is consciousness, and life comes from God, as does consciousness. In God, we are what we are, and will be exactly what he wants us all to be. There is no other real reality, and absoultely no exceptions to this.
Gods control of the conscious beings is total, and he is mostly dealing with our unconscious minds as of now. God can manipulate either consciousness, or the unconscious mind. I tend to believe he is , for the most part, dealing with humanity unconsciouly..
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
In Job 39:26;" Is it by your understanding that the Hawk soars?"
It is by Gods understanding that even animals have their being, their behavior patterns, their ability and potential. It is no difference with any human. Our Consciousness is under Gods complette control. Our ways and means, our ability, our life patterns, our very thinking, ALL are according to Gods understanding, we are simply living along HIS interpitation of things.
ALL Life is an unfolding of Gods will, there are no exceptions to this.
Job 41:11, again God himself speaking;" WHATEVER is under the whole heaven is MINE!" All things are according to Gods consciousness.
And I want to dip further into this great beings counsciousness. His awesome ability, his tendency to ignore, and his ultimate plans of righteousness.
Peace.
It is by Gods understanding that even animals have their being, their behavior patterns, their ability and potential. It is no difference with any human. Our Consciousness is under Gods complette control. Our ways and means, our ability, our life patterns, our very thinking, ALL are according to Gods understanding, we are simply living along HIS interpitation of things.
ALL Life is an unfolding of Gods will, there are no exceptions to this.
Job 41:11, again God himself speaking;" WHATEVER is under the whole heaven is MINE!" All things are according to Gods consciousness.
And I want to dip further into this great beings counsciousness. His awesome ability, his tendency to ignore, and his ultimate plans of righteousness.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
The Consciousness of God is Regal and ultimate, and he knows it.We just don't know it. Thats why God ignores us so much, hes not worried about anything, worry is a human thing. We worry about rape, crime, injustice and so on, but God ignores these things, because they can do absolutely nothing to change or affect his will. And he knows that. Nothing can deter him, nothing can stop him, his consciousness extends beyond all things. Nothing can bargain with him, no one can turn him away from his thinking. His mind, his consciousness is absolute. And I , for one, am impressed with him. There is no one like him.
God is unborn, has no beginning, has no weakness, cannot sin, is ultimate in all things, he is the highest possible, and beyond.
How in the world of possibilitys and reason, did something like God come along?
I , personally, am not bound by doubt that God exist. I hold nothing that convinces me against there being a God, so I can see more than those who hold these things. These things blind people and limit their view of Gods consciousness.
And lets get into that.
Peace
God is unborn, has no beginning, has no weakness, cannot sin, is ultimate in all things, he is the highest possible, and beyond.
How in the world of possibilitys and reason, did something like God come along?
I , personally, am not bound by doubt that God exist. I hold nothing that convinces me against there being a God, so I can see more than those who hold these things. These things blind people and limit their view of Gods consciousness.
And lets get into that.
Peace
God and Consciousness.
Unbelief in God naturally limits your understanding of his consciousness. Anything, not just God, but anything you do not believe in, simply limits your understanding of it. Whatever parts of science I do not believe in, limits my understanding of it. Whatever part of a woman I do not believe in, limits my understanding of her. This is just one reason why people do not understand God. Unbelief.
I wouldnot want a woman who didnot believe in me. Its just useless. Its nothing she can be to me. But if a man gets a woman who believes in him, hes got a good thing. And vice versa.
Your not going to understand God, without belief. Its just not going to happen. But now when God gets hold of an unbeliever, then they just hold no choice in the matter, when hes done with them, they will believe from then on. God does not need a human to believe in him, all he has to do is extend himself into their consciousness, and he places the belief there himself. NO human believes in God of their own free will, that is just a big deceptive thing being taught. If a person believes, its ONLY because God has placed the belief into their minds FIRST!
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
I wouldnot want a woman who didnot believe in me. Its just useless. Its nothing she can be to me. But if a man gets a woman who believes in him, hes got a good thing. And vice versa.
Your not going to understand God, without belief. Its just not going to happen. But now when God gets hold of an unbeliever, then they just hold no choice in the matter, when hes done with them, they will believe from then on. God does not need a human to believe in him, all he has to do is extend himself into their consciousness, and he places the belief there himself. NO human believes in God of their own free will, that is just a big deceptive thing being taught. If a person believes, its ONLY because God has placed the belief into their minds FIRST!
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
In Eph. 1:18, it says;" I pray that the " Eyes of your heart" be enlightened." You see because we cannot enlighten ourselves Spiritually, thats like trying to make yourself transfigure into another dimension. We can't do that, its like trying to change yourself from a human into a fish. We cannot make ourselves Conscious of God, we cannot force our minds to comprehend him, we MUST be enlightened BY HIM, or its ourselves doing it. And human pacification of self, can create some GREAT, elaborate spiritual illusions.
No, we just need to be enlightened by God, or we are left to our own illusions.
God has NOT revealed himself to the majority of human consciousness, he just has not. Oh people hold a self generated Qusai view of God, but that is not a God manifested view. Eph. 3: 3-5 shows that God has NOT made himself known to many generations and generations of humans.
Look at Phil. 1:29;" For to you " It has been GRANTED", for Christ sake, not only to BELIEVE in him, but also to suffer for him." Can you see what this means? BELIEF in God is GRANTED, its given by God, it is NOT self induced, as so many righteous believers have so self assuredly claimed. You don't come to God, he comes to you, which John 6:44 plainly reveals. We are DRAWN, moved in our Consciousness, to begin to believe in God, there is no self induced, self free willed way.
The bible is so very plain on this. Notice Phil. 2:13, for it IS GOD, (not your precious free will belief), who is AT WORK IN YOU, BOTH to WILL and to work his good pleasure. Translation; God controls the human consciousness, all of it.
Your mind will think exactly what he wants you to think. Or he will leave you in a mode, where he simply does not, for the moment, care how you are thinking.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
No, we just need to be enlightened by God, or we are left to our own illusions.
God has NOT revealed himself to the majority of human consciousness, he just has not. Oh people hold a self generated Qusai view of God, but that is not a God manifested view. Eph. 3: 3-5 shows that God has NOT made himself known to many generations and generations of humans.
Look at Phil. 1:29;" For to you " It has been GRANTED", for Christ sake, not only to BELIEVE in him, but also to suffer for him." Can you see what this means? BELIEF in God is GRANTED, its given by God, it is NOT self induced, as so many righteous believers have so self assuredly claimed. You don't come to God, he comes to you, which John 6:44 plainly reveals. We are DRAWN, moved in our Consciousness, to begin to believe in God, there is no self induced, self free willed way.
The bible is so very plain on this. Notice Phil. 2:13, for it IS GOD, (not your precious free will belief), who is AT WORK IN YOU, BOTH to WILL and to work his good pleasure. Translation; God controls the human consciousness, all of it.
Your mind will think exactly what he wants you to think. Or he will leave you in a mode, where he simply does not, for the moment, care how you are thinking.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
God is, and is the greater. That there is enough for many humans to either disbelieve in God, or envy him so much, they just rebel against the possibility of there being someone as great as God must be, you know, someone greater than them. And this someone has not bothered to introduce himself to them.
God is the greater, he is the God.
His Consciousness is superior, far superior than ours. His conscious thought, can bring things into reality. His mind can form and shape matter. He thinks, and things come to be. I think that is quite something. And all his plans are based on this kind of awesome power. And his characther is just as awesome. He is Kind and Gentle, Peaceful and Good.
And all his plans for humanity are formed and shaped on his Characther.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
God is the greater, he is the God.
His Consciousness is superior, far superior than ours. His conscious thought, can bring things into reality. His mind can form and shape matter. He thinks, and things come to be. I think that is quite something. And all his plans are based on this kind of awesome power. And his characther is just as awesome. He is Kind and Gentle, Peaceful and Good.
And all his plans for humanity are formed and shaped on his Characther.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
If God were evil, or stupid, lets face it, we all would be doomed. It is some humans who are really like that, and we all know that to be true. But none of us really know God, not really. If God were a human, we would be doomed for sure. Just look at how humans view God, goodness, if he were human he would view us, as many of us view him, not even worth existing.
But let me go into how Gods Consciousness, not only created us, but substains us.
Peace.
But let me go into how Gods Consciousness, not only created us, but substains us.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Look at Hebrews 3:4;" For every house is built by someone, but the builder of ALL THINGS is God." According to my understanding, my belief, this is the actual orgin of all the universe that we are aware of. Included in that " All things", is the consciousness of humanity. Our very lives were built by God. Whatever your mind is, and will be, was built by God. Your conscious thought was created by him, and your limitations in knowing him, was also developed by him. Jesus actually did these things under Gods direct supervision.
Colossians 1:16-17;" For by him ALL THINGS were created, both in the heavens and on the earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- ALL THINGS have been created by him and for him. He is before ALL things, and in him ALL things HOLD TOGETHER!" Thats how we are substained, he " Holds us together." And not only intelectually and mentally holding our consciousness together, but PHYSICALLY holding all of our atoms and cellular structure and protons and flesh together. All that stuff is substained by him.
Again John 1:3;" ALL THINGS came into being by him, and apart from him nothing came into being that has come into being." Effectively ruling out evolution, nothing has evolved in and of itself! Even sin has no evolution, nothing started itself.
Gods consciousness is the orgin of all life!
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Colossians 1:16-17;" For by him ALL THINGS were created, both in the heavens and on the earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- ALL THINGS have been created by him and for him. He is before ALL things, and in him ALL things HOLD TOGETHER!" Thats how we are substained, he " Holds us together." And not only intelectually and mentally holding our consciousness together, but PHYSICALLY holding all of our atoms and cellular structure and protons and flesh together. All that stuff is substained by him.
Again John 1:3;" ALL THINGS came into being by him, and apart from him nothing came into being that has come into being." Effectively ruling out evolution, nothing has evolved in and of itself! Even sin has no evolution, nothing started itself.
Gods consciousness is the orgin of all life!
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God and Consciousness.
The way God thinks, can only be explained in Righteousness, and really only complettely understood by a righteous mind, which is why none of us really understand God. I have said before that none of us understand God, thats how I can make such a statement, none of us are Righteous, and only Righteousness can understand Righteousness. Just as only Life can breed Life.
Only Active consciousness can breed consciousness. So Gods mind is active, his consciousness current, we are proof of that. If there were no God, there would be no humans. And I want to get into that.
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Only Active consciousness can breed consciousness. So Gods mind is active, his consciousness current, we are proof of that. If there were no God, there would be no humans. And I want to get into that.
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God and Consciousness.
One of the most profound examples of flawed human reasonings that I know of, is the refusal to believe in a power greater than ours. We think we created ourselves, manage ourselves, and the universe too. We think this because the whole picture of the entire Universe, is filtered through our selfish consciousness.
In my view, this is the greatest problem in mankind, his unending focus on himself.
The most simple, I mean simple mathematic problem I have ever solved within my mind, is the fact that I am here, because a being far greater than myself, put me here. I know I wouldnot be conscious, if there were no God. Matter is not producing itself, intelligence is not bringing itself into being, consciousness is not breeding consciousness on its own.
The orgin is God, it is impossible for the orgin to be absolute zero. Such thinking is off of the map of reason. And you cannot reason with the unreasonable. Only active consciousness, can breed consciousness. We were brought into being by God, just like one human gave birth to another human, God gave birth to humanity, the chain of human consciousness started in that manner.
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In my view, this is the greatest problem in mankind, his unending focus on himself.
The most simple, I mean simple mathematic problem I have ever solved within my mind, is the fact that I am here, because a being far greater than myself, put me here. I know I wouldnot be conscious, if there were no God. Matter is not producing itself, intelligence is not bringing itself into being, consciousness is not breeding consciousness on its own.
The orgin is God, it is impossible for the orgin to be absolute zero. Such thinking is off of the map of reason. And you cannot reason with the unreasonable. Only active consciousness, can breed consciousness. We were brought into being by God, just like one human gave birth to another human, God gave birth to humanity, the chain of human consciousness started in that manner.
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God and Consciousness.
Self awareness and selfishness are two differing things. In my view, when a human mind steps away from Gods existence, and believe their consciousness was began by happenstance situations that popped up out of nowhere, then they are building a world around themselves, based on themselves. One thing consciousness IS NOT, is happenstance situations beginning from zero, and then adding up to this present world we see. That is inadequate.
In 2 Corinth. 3:5;" Not that we are Adequate in ourselves to consider anything as " COMMING FROM OURSELVES", but our Adequacy is FROM GOD!" Our worth, our Consciousness, our entire being comes from God, that is the true direction of the orgin of human consciousness.
This is a serious blindspot in the mind of humanity, thinking we are the thing, the all in all, who needs a story like a God existing. We are our own heros, our own self reliant beings. We worship other men, and dismiss God. We worship statues and wealth, we design our own beliefs, and create our own gods. This system created by humanity is what God will eliminate. He willnot eliminate humanity, they are to be preserved. Why?
Because God is righteous.
And I want to go further into that.
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In 2 Corinth. 3:5;" Not that we are Adequate in ourselves to consider anything as " COMMING FROM OURSELVES", but our Adequacy is FROM GOD!" Our worth, our Consciousness, our entire being comes from God, that is the true direction of the orgin of human consciousness.
This is a serious blindspot in the mind of humanity, thinking we are the thing, the all in all, who needs a story like a God existing. We are our own heros, our own self reliant beings. We worship other men, and dismiss God. We worship statues and wealth, we design our own beliefs, and create our own gods. This system created by humanity is what God will eliminate. He willnot eliminate humanity, they are to be preserved. Why?
Because God is righteous.
And I want to go further into that.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
With God ALL things are possible. Job 42:2;" I know that thou cans't do all things, and NO purpose of thine can be stopped or interfered with."
Here is a simple formula of serious truth: God can do anything, the salvation of all of humanity is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for him to accomplish! His conscious mind, is revealed by the ways of his heart. His ways reveal his purpose. His Characther then, IS the roadmap to understanding what the future and purpose of humanity is.
Goid wants humans, ALL humans, to HAVE LIFE, and have it abundantly, or eternally. THAT IS WHY we were created in the first place. We were created to LIVE. But first we must suffer and die. Thats why many cannot understand God, because all we have known is the suffering and death. If hes trying to convince humans of his purpose, thats certainly the wrong thing to bring us through. But the truth is, God is NOT trying to convince humanity about anything concerning him.
So WHY would God decree the suffering and the death first?
And I want to go into that.
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Here is a simple formula of serious truth: God can do anything, the salvation of all of humanity is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for him to accomplish! His conscious mind, is revealed by the ways of his heart. His ways reveal his purpose. His Characther then, IS the roadmap to understanding what the future and purpose of humanity is.
Goid wants humans, ALL humans, to HAVE LIFE, and have it abundantly, or eternally. THAT IS WHY we were created in the first place. We were created to LIVE. But first we must suffer and die. Thats why many cannot understand God, because all we have known is the suffering and death. If hes trying to convince humans of his purpose, thats certainly the wrong thing to bring us through. But the truth is, God is NOT trying to convince humanity about anything concerning him.
So WHY would God decree the suffering and the death first?
And I want to go into that.
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God and Consciousness.
I am not totally sure why God has decreed the death and suffering within humanity, I am at a lost for words. Oh I could make some good quesses and speculations, but I really just do not know and understand why. Its very hard to second quess God, because the way he has done a thing already, means it couldnot have possibily been done any better. So if that be the case, and I believe it is, there was not another way for him to bring humanity into the Spirit world, without our being first in the flesh, suffering and dying.
Strange insn't it. We had to be like this first, in order to become like God and be with him forever. There is no suggestion in scripture that any other creation of God, will have had to go through this. So there is something about death and suffering, that will uniquely design us to be more in line with Gods consciousness.
And I want to get into that.
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Strange insn't it. We had to be like this first, in order to become like God and be with him forever. There is no suggestion in scripture that any other creation of God, will have had to go through this. So there is something about death and suffering, that will uniquely design us to be more in line with Gods consciousness.
And I want to get into that.
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God and Consciousness.
In Genesis God said after Adam had reached a certain point, " Now the man will be like us, " Knowing Good and Evil." This is one of the most intriging mysterys of God. He KNOWS both Good and Evil, and wanted humanity to know it also. He obviously holds the power to have kept it from us, but he wanted us all exposed to it.
He wanted us to be conscious of both good and evil. Aware of it. Emersed in it, rub our nose in it, so to speak.
This is highly interesting. Many view evil as something really bad that will ultimately defeat most of humanity, I cannot accept that, it was God who planted evil in Eden, meaning he created it. It would be foolish of God to create humanity, then create its downfall, then judge us based on how we fall. An utterly stupid thing to do. Yet so many believe that Gods consciousness is stupid.
The fact that God exposed humanity to evil, literally garentees that evil cannot, willnot destroy Gods creation of humanity.
So there is another reason for evil, death and suffering.
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He wanted us to be conscious of both good and evil. Aware of it. Emersed in it, rub our nose in it, so to speak.
This is highly interesting. Many view evil as something really bad that will ultimately defeat most of humanity, I cannot accept that, it was God who planted evil in Eden, meaning he created it. It would be foolish of God to create humanity, then create its downfall, then judge us based on how we fall. An utterly stupid thing to do. Yet so many believe that Gods consciousness is stupid.
The fact that God exposed humanity to evil, literally garentees that evil cannot, willnot destroy Gods creation of humanity.
So there is another reason for evil, death and suffering.
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God and Consciousness.
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So there is another reason for evil, death and suffering.
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In Hebrews 5:8;" Although he was a son, he LEARNED obedience from the things which he suffered."
This is one of the reasons for the suffering, that we can learn obedience.
And oh how I hate this reality. I would rather learn from anything other than suffering. I have asked God continually, that I can learn some other way, without the pain and misery of the suffering. But I am stubborn, hardheaded, and there is NOTHING like the suffering to break that wall down, humble you, and strip you of all your pride in yourself, and bend you over to God.
Oh how this truth bothers me. I would that none of us would suffer, but its going to be how God predestined it to be.
There will be the suffering, and the suffering is comming to America.
Its going to come to you.
Because its a part of your destiny.
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So there is another reason for evil, death and suffering.
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In Hebrews 5:8;" Although he was a son, he LEARNED obedience from the things which he suffered."
This is one of the reasons for the suffering, that we can learn obedience.
And oh how I hate this reality. I would rather learn from anything other than suffering. I have asked God continually, that I can learn some other way, without the pain and misery of the suffering. But I am stubborn, hardheaded, and there is NOTHING like the suffering to break that wall down, humble you, and strip you of all your pride in yourself, and bend you over to God.
Oh how this truth bothers me. I would that none of us would suffer, but its going to be how God predestined it to be.
There will be the suffering, and the suffering is comming to America.
Its going to come to you.
Because its a part of your destiny.
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God and Consciousness.
The reason for death is a bit more complicated, but God has his reasons.
Jesus in John 12:24;" Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone, but if it dies, it bears much fruit."
This is the reason for death. That we can bear fruit, and the kind of fruit that benefits all. That we can change from a seed, or one kind of existance, and develop into bread, or a whole new existence.
This is why we were created, its why we were born, to live, die and be born again , into a whole new existance.
This is the plan of God, it is our destiny, it is our future.
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Jesus in John 12:24;" Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone, but if it dies, it bears much fruit."
This is the reason for death. That we can bear fruit, and the kind of fruit that benefits all. That we can change from a seed, or one kind of existance, and develop into bread, or a whole new existence.
This is why we were created, its why we were born, to live, die and be born again , into a whole new existance.
This is the plan of God, it is our destiny, it is our future.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
Mickiel;1071097 wrote: The reason for death is a bit more complicated, but God has his reasons.
Jesus in John 12:24;" Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone, but if it dies, it bears much fruit."
This is the reason for death. That we can bear fruit, and the kind of fruit that benefits all. That we can change from a seed, or one kind of existance, and develop into bread, or a whole new existence.
This is why we were created, its why we were born, to live, die and be born again , into a whole new existance.
This is the plan of God, it is our destiny, it is our future.
Peace.
God then gave death, in order that he might give Life. Strange thing to do, but its a done thing, which we do not factor into, as far as the will of God. No matter what we think or do with our lives, we will live and die because it is Gods will. In John 17:2, it explains what will be done with our lives;" Even as thou gavest him authority over all mankind, that to ALL whom thou has given him, he may GIVE ( without cost) Eternal Life!"
We were created to live in flesh, ( which is suffering and death) to then only experience a ressurection into a whole new LIFE! I grow tired of this life we now have, I know its more to life, than just this time we have in this flesh.
And it requires a little more from you to see beyond this temporary physical chemical existance that we now hold.
And the beginning of seeing that, lays dormant within your consciousness. Your consciousness was actually designed to one day be combined with Gods consciousness, the true source from where it came from in the first place.
And I want to go into the future of human consciousness.
Peace.
Jesus in John 12:24;" Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone, but if it dies, it bears much fruit."
This is the reason for death. That we can bear fruit, and the kind of fruit that benefits all. That we can change from a seed, or one kind of existance, and develop into bread, or a whole new existence.
This is why we were created, its why we were born, to live, die and be born again , into a whole new existance.
This is the plan of God, it is our destiny, it is our future.
Peace.
God then gave death, in order that he might give Life. Strange thing to do, but its a done thing, which we do not factor into, as far as the will of God. No matter what we think or do with our lives, we will live and die because it is Gods will. In John 17:2, it explains what will be done with our lives;" Even as thou gavest him authority over all mankind, that to ALL whom thou has given him, he may GIVE ( without cost) Eternal Life!"
We were created to live in flesh, ( which is suffering and death) to then only experience a ressurection into a whole new LIFE! I grow tired of this life we now have, I know its more to life, than just this time we have in this flesh.
And it requires a little more from you to see beyond this temporary physical chemical existance that we now hold.
And the beginning of seeing that, lays dormant within your consciousness. Your consciousness was actually designed to one day be combined with Gods consciousness, the true source from where it came from in the first place.
And I want to go into the future of human consciousness.
Peace.
God and Consciousness.
When the bible states that we will be " Like God", part of what that means is consciousness.