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jimbo;1074339 wrote: i have felt for some time now that under the guise of anti terror laws we are sliding into a police state ,un-elected councel telibans going through peoples rubbish bins,£1000 fine if you put it out the night before etc ,police can now finger print you even if you have not commited a crime ,police power has gone unchecked,i'm all for getting criminals but innocent citizens are now in fear



No one is above the law, says Jacqui Smith in Damian Green row | Politics | guardian.co.uk







Police State Britain: MPs concerned at illegal fingerprinting of children


my finger prints and dna n photo are on file even though ive done nothing wrong

its a disgrace really when a law abiding citizen ends up with a criminal record for soemthing as stupid as that:mad: you could be responsible and law abiding all your life and end up being criminlised for leaving your wheelie bin lid up too far :-5 Its like the anti smoking laws,,, they bring fines in for it so you end up feeling like a bloomin leper:(

Come on then, let's look at what's happened. Assume "allegedly" throughout since none of it's reached court yet.

The Home Office complained to the police that leaks of confidential information were happening. The Home Office is entitled to classify material as confidential, I assume we agree on that?

The police investigated and found a junior civil servant who was surreptitiously leaking the stuff to this front bench shadow chap, Green. Green in turn was placing the material with pet news reporters in order to damage the government's Home Office minister and, indirectly, the Labour administration generally.

Had Green used the material in the House - acknowledging that he was the person who knew the confidential information in the process - then (I think) he would not have broken any law. That's not what he did with it though.

As far as I can see, the police (on the last day of Ian Blair's tenure as top dog there, guess who was kicking the Conservatives) interviewed Green at length, and took away copious evidence, related to the civil servant leaker. If he - the civil servant leaker - ends up in court he can no doubt try to get the jury to acquit him on the basis of public benefit. I hope the jury castrates him instead for the devious untrustworthy bounder he is.

The sole question of parliamentary outrage is whether the police were heavy-handed in getting their evidence. I'm quite sure it was just Ian Blair having his moment of revenge at being ousted. That's fine by me, it's not going to be a regular event and he was kicked out for political reasons. Yes he ought to have resigned for the disgraceful episodes the Met committed under his watch, yes his going early is quite likely to rebound on the Conservatives anyway, but I don't mind him spitting on the shadow cabinet as he leaves.

jimbo;1074380 wrote: well said spot



but it hardly touches on my main grouch of our freedoms being eroded by over zealous tin pot dictatot councels and other unelected people handing out fines like their going out of fashion


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