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The Wedding Crisis

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:24 pm
by QUINNSCOMMENTARY
As I think back to my only daughters wedding it reminds me of the current economic crisis, strange uh?

My point is quite simple, my daughters wedding was a very emotional, once in a lifetime experience and we wanted to get it right, to make it “perfect and memorable. We would have too except it poured rain all day. :-1 In today’s America a perfect anything usually means spending a considerable amount of money. While my frugal side tried to raise its practical head, other more powerful forces prevailed, forces in the form of my wife and daughter. We could have had a disc jockey, but we opted for a band. We could have had chicken, we had prime rib, we could have done a lot of things differently, but hey, this was my only daughter, my little girl and the bills could wait to be paid.

Thankfully that was all more than six years ago, the bills are paid and the economic crisis was not even in our imagination (and I was not retired). However, the mindset we may find ourselves in at times of great joy or sorrow where what we can really afford seems to fade into some distant future payment is not unlike the current mindset in our country.

I heard on the news this morning a women representing a food bank say they need a “federal bailout. I suspect they will have to get in queue with banks, insurance companies, auto makers, the states, home builders and even average Americans. It appears the line is long and for some magical reason the supply of bailout money endless, for now that is. And, it’s a heck of a rainy day as well. :(

I am no economist, but it seems to me that sooner or later this crisis mentality largess will come due. I ask myself what will all this mean for my children and grandchildren, what if the rest of the world decides that it no longer wants to fund high living Americans, what if we find out that the long neglected Social Security and Medicare crisis is real, or worse Americans figure out that there is no Social Security Trust “Fund? :-5 What if we have to dramatically raise taxes (if?) to pay off this debt and then find that higher taxes inhibit growth in the economy thereby prolonging our malaise?

It’s very easy to rationalize doing what you have to do today and worry about tomorrow, that is until tomorrow comes. You know something like buying a house you can’t afford with an adjustable rate mortgage. I wish someone would bail me out of my growing depression. :rolleyes:

The Wedding Crisis

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:40 pm
by OpenMind
One thing's for sure, whatever happens, we're in this together. So at least you won't be on your own.:)

The Wedding Crisis

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:33 pm
by mikeinie
It is amazing in some ways the American, and now more in general, the Western view on taxes.

Every since the old ‘Boston Tea Party’ there is a very negative view on paying taxes.

However, my issue is not with paying taxes, it is with value for money. With any money I choose to spend, I like to feel that I have ‘value’ for my expense.

In my opinion it is the same with taxes. Look at Scandinavia as an example, there are countries with some of the highest tax rates in the West, but look at what the people demand and get for the taxes they pay. What a fantastic return on ‘their investment’ into their country, their social services, and way of life. (at least that this the impression that I have of the Nordic countries anyway).

What I object to is paying taxes to see the money flushed away in over stuffed civil services, inefficient health services and endless payments to consultants and lawyers.

Give me value for my money, and I do not mind paying taxes, it should be seen as an investment into the future of our county.

The Wedding Crisis

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:39 pm
by SuzyB
In August I received my payout from my court case, I invested the money, have found out today that since August I have lost £8000. Tomorrow the money is coming out. The shares went from 32euro to 4.80 euro, scary eh!!!

The Wedding Crisis

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:39 pm
by QUINNSCOMMENTARY
SuzyB;1075573 wrote: In August I received my payout from my court case, I invested the money, have found out today that since August I have lost £8000. Tomorrow the money is coming out. The shares went from 32euro to 4.80 euro, scary eh!!!


Why take it out now and lock in your loss, that's the opposite of what you want to do.

The Wedding Crisis

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:45 pm
by QUINNSCOMMENTARY
mikeinie;1075565 wrote: It is amazing in some ways the American, and now more in general, the Western view on taxes.

Every since the old ‘Boston Tea Party’ there is a very negative view on paying taxes.

However, my issue is not with paying taxes, it is with value for money. With any money I choose to spend, I like to feel that I have ‘value’ for my expense.

In my opinion it is the same with taxes. Look at Scandinavia as an example, there are countries with some of the highest tax rates in the West, but look at what the people demand and get for the taxes they pay. What a fantastic return on ‘their investment’ into their country, their social services, and way of life. (at least that this the impression that I have of the Nordic countries anyway).

What I object to is paying taxes to see the money flushed away in over stuffed civil services, inefficient health services and endless payments to consultants and lawyers.

Give me value for my money, and I do not mind paying taxes, it should be seen as an investment into the future of our county.


The problem is that there is no way to get value by giving taxes to a government bureaucracy only to have them give it back or some small portion of it after it goes through the system. Yes, taxes are necessary in many areas in an organized society, but they are also a way to waste resources and to indirectly support those in society who do not pull their own weight.

I serve on a state commission responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars in health benefits and the inefficiency of the process at the expense of taxpayers who cannot afford it is shameful.

The Wedding Crisis

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:39 pm
by Patsy Warnick
Quinn

I stated in a earlier thread - with the Gov't Bailout, why can't the Gov't give every American Citizen $200, Thousand.. That $$$ would recycle back into the economy.?

Now we're buying Car Dealers - should we still have a Tax and a Excise Tax to license the vehicle?

I ask - we're already invested, How much $ $ does the Gov't plan to take & Give?

That's RobinHood

Patsy

P.S. I was married in a down pour - in Hawaii..go figure..

The Wedding Crisis

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:36 am
by SuzyB
QUINNSCOMMENTARY;1075607 wrote: Why take it out now and lock in your loss, that's the opposite of what you want to do.


Because if I dont take it out now they will only cover £50,000 if everything goes tits up so at least i've just lost £8000 instead of £108,000 :)

The Wedding Crisis

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:37 pm
by wildhorses
SuzyB;1075573 wrote: In August I received my payout from my court case, I invested the money, have found out today that since August I have lost £8000. Tomorrow the money is coming out. The shares went from 32euro to 4.80 euro, scary eh!!!


Wow. 32 euro down to 4.8 euro. That is quite a hit. That is an 85% loss. I hope you did not have the whole 108K euro in one stock. That would be more like 80,000 euro wouldn't it?