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I personally feel that the death penalty should be reserved for the most extreme and persistent offender if we have to have a death penalty at all. It offends the senses that chirdren have to face the death penalty. If so many people are given the death penalty, it doesn't seem much of a deterrent.

Until the death penalty is perfect, ie. no innocent slipping thru the net, then there shouldnt be one.

Raven;1078498 wrote: Until the death penalty is perfect, ie. no innocent slipping thru the net, then there shouldnt be one.


That's another good reason against the death penalty.

Exactly. As far as I know, only Jesus could bring back the dead. When someone is killed prematurely, not only is that persons life gone, but his whole entire line of potential offspring.

Raven;1078498 wrote: Until the death penalty is perfect, ie. no innocent slipping thru the net, then there shouldnt be one.


Would you be saying that if you were 'Gary Newlove's' daughter or wife?

Would you say that if you were 'Spohie Anderson's' Mum? (That was the young girl who was kicked to death in a British park by a gang of 15 yr old feral yobs, simply because she dressed like a goth).

I could quote more cases for you but we all know them here in Britain.

It is primarily, not the fault of the kid. It is down to the parents, lack of caring by society, government, social services, the courts and the whole system until it is too late. However, when you are a victem, it is an entirely different matter.

I read of this story some days ago when this poor girl pured her heart out to a newspaper. It made me absolutely sick.

Read this and then ask yourself, how would you be feeling right now, if you were that girl or her mother??

Youths who gang-raped girl in stairwells are named - Times Online

Imagine that this girl is your little girl...... how do you feel now??

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 012050.ece

oscar;1078547 wrote: Would you be saying that if you were 'Gary Newlove's' daughter or wife?

Would you say that if you were 'Spohie Anderson's' Mum? (That was the young girl who was kicked to death in a British park by a gang of 15 yr old feral yobs, simply because she dressed like a goth).

I could quote more cases for you but we all know them here in Britain.



It is primarily, not the fault of the kid. It is down to the parents, lack of caring by society, government, social services, the courts and the whole system until it is too late. However, when you are a victem, it is an entirely different matter.



I read of this story some days ago when this poor girl pured her heart out to a newspaper. It made me absolutely sick.

Read this and then ask yourself, how would you be feeling right now, if you were that girl or her mother??



Youths who gang-raped girl in stairwells are named - Times Online



Imagine that this girl is your little girl...... how do you feel now??



Nine schoolboy rapists named | The Sun |News


On the one hand, I say bring back blood avengence, as the Jews had it (still have it, I believe, in their own laws). But we cannot allow ourselves to descend to the level of the miscreants.

Yes, if anyone hurt my girl, I would want to string them up at my pleasure and I would inflict horrendous pain on them. But I also know that this would just exascerbate a wicked, evilness if it was allowed to be.

OpenMind;1078690 wrote: On the one hand, I say bring back blood avengence, as the Jews had it (still have it, I believe, in their own laws). But we cannot allow ourselves to descend to the level of the miscreants.

Yes, if anyone hurt my girl, I would want to string them up at my pleasure and I would inflict horrendous pain on them. But I also know that this would just exascerbate a wicked, evilness if it was allowed to be.


I read another article about this gang rape on the 14 year old girl today,

Apparently, when police did back-ground checks on the boy rapists, some as young as 13 yrs old, they found, their parents didn't even understand the concept of the crime commited.

Even worse, they say that the parents of the boys turned on the young victem saying 'she asked for it' and 'she was a slag' etc etc. Also, 'what's the big deal'?

Officers were astonished to find such little regard for the girl or the sins of their sons, which goes back to what i said in an earlier post. It is the parents at fault, then a care-less society where even the most shocking becomes the norm.

I have also been reading today about the young asian lad who was kicked to death by a pack of youths, the youngest 12 yrs old and they stamped on his head etc. Officers found on their mobile phones, that the mob had filmed him actually dying and taking his last breaths. They were found guilty today. I bet if anything comes out in the press about these lads backgrounds, they will have the same attitude as karen matthews and the parents of the boy rapists. Maybe, it's time this country starting locking the parents up?

JAB;1079191 wrote: There is a strong part of me that wants the accused to suffer the same punishment as what they inflicted upon the victim. The parents should then be forced into parental counseling or face jail time themselves.


Agreed. It's all very well having sympathy for them until that moment it happens to your child or a member of your family. Then, if we were all honest, we would want them to swing.

I do believe that if every one knew that if their kid messed up, they would go to prison, there would be a lot better parenting skills.

oscar;1079185 wrote: I read another article about this gang rape on the 14 year old girl today,

Apparently, when police did back-ground checks on the boy rapists, some as young as 13 yrs old, they found, their parents didn't even understand the concept of the crime commited.

Even worse, they say that the parents of the boys turned on the young victem saying 'she asked for it' and 'she was a slag' etc etc. Also, 'what's the big deal'?

Officers were astonished to find such little regard for the girl or the sins of their sons, which goes back to what i said in an earlier post. It is the parents at fault, then a care-less society where even the most shocking becomes the norm.

I have also been reading today about the young asian lad who was kicked to death by a pack of youths, the youngest 12 yrs old and they stamped on his head etc. Officers found on their mobile phones, that the mob had filmed him actually dying and taking his last breaths. They were found guilty today. I bet if anything comes out in the press about these lads backgrounds, they will have the same attitude as karen matthews and the parents of the boy rapists. Maybe, it's time this country starting locking the parents up?


Oh Oscar, I just read this story today...It is absolutely awful. That poor girl. I can't even imagine how it must have felt being raped by those boys for hours and being beaten and talked to like you were trash. I was violently ill after reading that story:mad:

Kathy Ellen;1079195 wrote: Oh Oscar, I just read this story today...It is absolutely awful. That poor girl. I can't even imagine how it must have felt being raped by those boys for hours and being beaten and talked to like you were trash. I was violently ill after reading that story:mad:


It is truely vile. I was still playing with toys and dolls at 13 yrs old yet these boys were carrying out a brutal violent rape.

I feel so much for the girl and so hope she will be able to get over it but i fear she will be scared for life.

It was quite a thing for the judge to waiver anonyminity on the boys and name them. Usually, here, under the age of 16, they have a right not to be named to the press. I guess the judge did it, to protect further victems.

fuzzy butt;1079256 wrote: so you believe that 13 year olds should be condemned to death?



That was the point of this thread.:rolleyes: children being condemned to death.


It's very hard to say. Some 13 year olds are way above their years and know what they are doing and some don't. I'm sure as with here, any child guilty of a serious offence, has physciatric reports done.

I my self do not believe kids should be executed. We have proved here with 'Jamie Bulger's' ten yr old killers that with the right help and away from destructive familie's they can be successfully re-habilitated and released back into the community. However, there will always be that question of weather the re-habilitation has worked well enough to spare another victem on their release. that is something else we are seeing here a lot, kids being let out on bail only to kill some-one as in the case of 'Gary newlove.'

Try telling his kids that his killers deserved another chance when they watched them kick their dad to death and stamp on his head.

Children being executed ? Very, very sad ! :-1

Surely there must be a better way to handle child offenders than impose the death penalty on them !

As a teacher, I know that children are influenced ( a lot) by their environment ( their parents, teachers, society, their friends, relatives, t.v., etc.). For some children, their environment molds them into the person that they become. When a child offender does something very serious, there is usually an underlying cause that has not been dealt with in a healthy fashion. Children are kind of like balloons. When they are being given more ( negativity in their lives) than they can take, they blow up. If they have supportive, loving people around them, then this is dealt with in a caring way and the child learns right from wrong.

I agree with some of the posts here that say some children are more mature than their years and know exactly what they're doing. That is very true but I still say, children are children, no matter how mature they are and I really don't agree with the death penalty for the children. If the child offender had been psychologically tested and it has been found out that they know what they were doing ( that it wasn't just a game or they were doing it for fun), then I think the child should be punished for having done what he/she did -but NOT the death penalty !

nok;1107356 wrote: I think the child should be punished for having done what he/she didWho benefits?

spot;1107358 wrote: Who benefits?


It is fact though Spot, that in this country with soft Judge's, youths or kids are being released on bail or let out early only for them to go on and murder as in the case of 'Gary Newlove'.

As in the 'Bulger' case, there has to be a reasonable term of incarceration for them to get the help and re-habilitation they need. Without that, they will go on to murder as the case of ''Newlove' and end up doing life. If they are in a country or state of the US with the death penalty, they will end up fried anyway.

I'm sure you're right. My question about "who benefits" was directed at "I think the child should be punished for having done what he/she did".

spot;1107695 wrote: I'm sure you're right. My question about "who benefits" was directed at "I think the child should be punished for having done what he/she did".


Yes, let's see if the poster come's back and adds what they meant by this.