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Barman;1079745 wrote: Welfare mothers to be forced to work - Times Online

About time too. This time mean it Gord.


I hope Gordon Brown sticks to it as well.

I absolutely agree with this. As i said on another thread, not all people with large familie's are benifit scroungers. My sister is expecting her 8th child on Christmas day and i have a neice who has 7 children. This is only because they work, have their own homes and would be horrified to even think of claiming benifit to raise their familie's.

There is a woman near me who i know rather well. She has never worked in her life. The kids are dirty, under-fed and ignored while she sits on facebook all day and night. She was out-raged recently because they took her off disabliity benifit (because she was depressed), and put her on job seekers allowence. She's livid because now she has to report to the job centre once a fortnight to qualify for her benifit. I also know that she spends £40 a week on weed.

My husband often drives past the local pub and will see her outside smoking and drinking.

I have worked all my adult life as my husband and we can't afford to chain smoke and go to the pub. My husband is recovering from advanced cancer and major surgery. He has been told that at his age, he should not work but he still does although it nearly kills him at times. That's just his mentality, not to sit at home all day. I am doing extra work in the evenings to pay for Christmas so i don't use plastic to pay for it.

I look at people like her and frankly, they disgust me. She also has 7 cats and a rottwieler to feed. Two weeks ago, her partner came and asked us if we'd help them out as their electric meter had run out and the kids had no power in the house all day. As soon as the benifit arrives, she is in the take-away and the pub.

She even asked me if i was getting her kids Christmas presents as usual this year. She asked if i'd get her girl some clothes. She said she was asking everyone to get her clothes because then she'd only have to get her a few bits through the year.

We have bred this middle generation of people like her who think the tax payer owes them a bloody living.

If two good things have come from the Shannon matthews case, it is, one, her kids have been taken away from her and two, it has woken this country up to the breed we have created.

Barman;1079745 wrote: Welfare mothers to be forced to work - Times Online

About time too. This time mean it Gord.


It seems a resonable idea until you consider how mothers of babies or young children can pay for daycare if it is not part of a package. Also, unless they have a car at their disposal, how do they get the child/children to the daycare and themselves to their job. With babies in daycare there is alot of stuff to bring in each day.....diapers, bottles, extra clothes. Then, there is the problem of the sick child. Here in the US if a child is ill, a parent is called to pick their child up, not at the end of the day, but right then and you cannot bring them back for two days. Without a car, that's alot of transporting by public transportation.

Alot of people will say that they should not have had these kids if they can't afford them and that possibly they had them only to get a free ride. Regardless of how it happened, can we really punish the children??

This is a very complicated issue filled with alot of emotion because we who work and care for our own resent that others get things handed to them. I don't think there is only one across the board answer, but how else can one legislate this fairly if it is not dealt with this way.

I get very angry when I hear of people who take advantage of the system and beg free food, clothes and money from churches. But, to refuse them also refuses help to the person who is really trying to make a go of things and just can't, as yet, do it by themselves.

Whatever government does for those in need will never be enough nor, will it be fair to all. I'm just glad I did not walk in the shoes of the needy and that, when our daughter needed a bit of assistance, we were able to help.

Family support is a wonderful assistance both financially and emotionally. It is not something everyone has in their lives.

Kindle;1079805 wrote: It seems a resonable idea until you consider how mothers of babies or young children can pay for daycare if it is not part of a package. Also, unless they have a car at their disposal, how do they get the child/children to the daycare and themselves to their job. With babies in daycare there is alot of stuff to bring in each day.....diapers, bottles, extra clothes. Then, there is the problem of the sick child. Here in the US if a child is ill, a parent is called to pick their child up, not at the end of the day, but right then and you cannot bring them back for two days. Without a car, that's alot of transporting by public transportation.

Alot of people will say that they should not have had these kids if they can't afford them and that possibly they had them only to get a free ride. Regardless of how it happened, can we really punish the children??

This is a very complicated issue filled with alot of emotion because we who work and care for our own resent that others get things handed to them. I don't think there is only one across the board answer, but how else can one legislate this fairly if it is not dealt with this way.

I get very angry when I hear of people who take advantage of the system and beg free food, clothes and money from churches. But, to refuse them also refuses help to the person who is really trying to make a go of things and just can't, as yet, do it by themselves.

Whatever government does for those in need will never be enough nor, will it be fair to all. I'm just glad I did not walk in the shoes of the needy and that, when our daughter needed a bit of assistance, we were able to help.

Family support is a wonderful assistance both financially and emotionally. It is not something everyone has in their lives.


I think every family on benifit would have to be assessed. It is impractable for young mothers to work in some cases. I remember the nightmare one of my niece's had when she was suddenly called for jury service.

We would need a system of creche's and nurserie's for the children if mothers are forced into work.

I also believe that crime would rise if these people could not buy their weed and booze from their benifit or wages.

In the case i spoke of, the mother was outraged that she was put on 'Jobseekers allowance' because this means she has to actively look for work to get her benifit. Her attitude is that because she's a mother... it lets her off for life.

I'm not averse, to having government money invested into social services and adoption agencie's so if these low life's don't want to work, want to claim all the benifits but neglect their children, take the kids off them. yes, that may hurt the kids but if they are being greatly neglected by the parent, it's got to be better in the long run.

when i started my famliy i wanted to be the one to bring them up, i was lucky that i was married and my husband was working I have worked on and off while my kids were growing up but only if it worked out that when i was at work they were with their father, Thats just the way i wanted to do it, my choice, but the only benefits i got or was eligible to claim was child benefit that we all get wether we work or not. I dont have a problem with working mothers thats their choice, and i know some who have put so much time and effort in to making sure they spend enough time with their kids to make up for the time they cant be with them cos they had to work and i commend them for it. I just thank my lucky stars i didnt have to put my children in to a nursery or private childcare so i could go to work, its just not for me. Although i agree some women just dont want to work and its got nothing to do with wanting to be with their kids as they obviously put their own needs before that of their kids:(

kazalala;1080000 wrote: when i started my famliy i wanted to be the one to bring them up, i was lucky that i was married and my husband was working I have worked on and off while my kids were growing up but only if it worked out that when i was at work they were with their father, Thats just the way i wanted to do it, my choice, but the only benefits i got or was eligible to claim was child benefit that we all get wether we work or not. I dont have a problem with working mothers thats their choice, and i know some who have put so much time and effort in to making sure they spend enough time with their kids to make up for the time they cant be with them cos they had to work and i commend them for it. I just thank my lucky stars i didnt have to put my children in to a nursery or private childcare so i could go to work, its just not for me. Although i agree some women just dont want to work and its got nothing to do with wanting to be with their kids as they obviously put their own needs before that of their kids:(


I think it is only the karen Matthews type that the government want to crack down on. A large part of Benifit is for the children to clothe and feed them, so like me, when you see women buying £40 worth of weed a week while her kids are dirty and hungry, that's the crime.

JAB;1080201 wrote: Oscar, please tell me you aren't buying this neighbor of yours some presents this year? :-2


Only her kids. It's the only way they get anything nice. They are lovely kids and i feel so bad for them. Other people do it too and the mother knows they will. :(

Barman;1079745 wrote: Welfare mothers to be forced to work - Times Online

About time too. This time mean it Gord.


bout time!

fuzzy butt;1080280 wrote: Oh and i forgot I was talking to one of the social workers I do my on job training with and I told her about the new system (which even they don't understand mind you) and she was saying she couldn't understand at first why all these women were returning to domestic violence situations.........turns out these women simply were not fit to work after their short exemption because of their abuse but were being so pressured into returning to the work force that they felt helpless and thus returned to their husbands. I was having a whinge and she just blatently said 'It's worse than that" . We have kids not being looked after and unsupervised all over the place . Parents are unable to get to school functions or talk to teachers about there kids progress. Are too tired to look after their children because of being so run down and that turns into emotional neglect.

That's why they are re evaluating the system ........and you say they are about to introduce it over their . GOOD LUCK. Cause it didn't work here .


It's not to force mothers into work if it means returning to an abusive husband. etc etc.

The whole cry for welfare reform this week has come from a trial of a mother who staged her own childs kidnap with a secret lover to cash in on reward money. When she was convicted, it came out that she had 7 children by 6 different fathers. She had never worked in her life. She spent money on ciggs and booze while her kids went hungry and were dirty. She seriously neglect her children although recieving hundreds of £'s a week in benifits. It is the like's of this woman they are trying to stop. Not penalise genuine mums.

My daughter got out of an abusive relationship and she has 4 children 2 who are autistic. She has been forced back into the work force as her youngest has turned 7. The 10 year old who is autistic has regressed as his mother isnt there for him when he needs her but she has no options:-5

oscar;1080190 wrote: I think it is only the karen Matthews type that the government want to crack down on. A large part of Benifit is for the children to clothe and feed them, so like me, when you see women buying £40 worth of weed a week while her kids are dirty and hungry, that's the crime.


yes i agree,, its just a shame the selfish idiots always have to spoil it for the genuine people,, and normally tis the genuine ones that suffer the most,, the selfish wasters wil find a way of geting round it:mad:

kazalala;1080501 wrote: yes i agree,, its just a shame the selfish idiots always have to spoil it for the genuine people,, and normally tis the genuine ones that suffer the most,, the selfish wasters wil find a way of geting round it:mad:


This woman admitted to me that she was 'addicted' to facebook. Her kids get themselves up in the morning and off to school. She does not get out of bed until about noon or 1pm because she is playing poker all night on facebook. She does not meet her kids from school although the eldest is only 12 yrs old. They often have to wait until around 8 pm for tea and then it's often a take-away. They have just decided that she is not entitled to disability allowence after many years because she is not depressed just lazy. As her kids are at school from 9 am until 4 pm, there is nothing to stop her getting some kind of work between those hours.

It is the Karen matthews and my neighbour that the government is trying to crack down on.

To make every mother look for work is impracticle. The government are aware of the huge problems this would incur.

It would not affect the amount of feral kids as Fuzzy put it. The problem with feral kids is that they roam the street in the small hours. Even if parents were forced back to work, their kids would be in school while they are at work. They would still be home of an evening when most feral kids are out. Feral kids do not roam the streets here during the day because we have the 'Truant Police' who are there solely to look for them. Parents here have even been sent to prison for not sending their kids to school. It's one thing we are tough on.

Women like Karen Matthews and my neighbour give all the decent hard working single mums a bad name.

you wonder why these women even bother having children, its sad when you think of the amount of people desperate for kids who cant have em,,,and those who would like to adopt and are told they are too old,, fat,,, have to give up smoking,,, etc.:rolleyes:

kazalala;1080546 wrote: you wonder why these women even bother having children, its sad when you think of the amount of people desperate for kids who cant have em,,,and those who would like to adopt and are told they are too old,, fat,,, have to give up smoking,,, etc.:rolleyes:


Exactly!! Jack straw this week is promising to do some-thing about our ridiculous 'human rights' and i hope he includes the restrictions put on potential foster and adoptive parents. The perfect parent does not exist in the real world so why are our foster parents suppossed to be akin to Jesus Christ?

Sorry to bang on about the neighbour, it's just that she is a good example here.

When they told her that they were putting her on 'Jobseekers' allowence instead of disability, her biggest gripe was that once a fortnight she had to get a bus to the job centre to sign in for her benifit instead of it just plopping on the mat via the postman. The kids seem happy enough, but then, they think all mums are like that. It's heartbreaking at times to see them.

It would be a good thing if they did work for their money these benefit mums. I see them now and then with their prams and bling on....I don't think they should be spending so much money on dope and drink anyhow...what a waste they are just making themselves so ugly and stupid that no one would want to employ them anyhow! So if they can be pushed into something with the governments help than that would be a help.