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Have a bloody good year: Fights, arrests and a giant clean-up operation as Britain begins the New Year hangover | Mail Online

These are the outward signs of a nation's decline.

OpenMind;1098369 wrote: These are the outward signs of a nation's decline.


It's been happening for years.

Kids laugh at police

Kids stab kids

Human rights protect criminals

Drunks attack hospital staff

A generation living on benifit

Basically, we have a generation who has little or no respect for anything or anybody else.

24 hour booze licence's have to go... no question.

oscar;1098378 wrote: It's been happening for years.

Kids laugh at police

Kids stab kids

Human rights protect criminals

Drunks attack hospital staff

A generation living on benifit



Basically, we have a generation who has little or no respect for anything or anybody else.

24 hour booze licence's have to go... no question.




It has nothing to do with 24hour booze licences. They've had that on the continent for decades without the banality we have here. Every home in this country has always had a 24 hour licence with no age limits. This is far more fundamental. Respect begins in the home.

A girl I knew was killed over xmas when a bottle was thrown into the pub and it hit her throat severing her artery. :-1

It's been a very sad town over the period.

271208 UK Emma O'Kane Dies After Being Hit By Shard Of Glass In Heywood Pub Manchester | UK News | Sky News

I went out yesterday afternoon to send a package to a friend and get some pound coins for the meter. I had one drink while I was in town and everything in Leeds seemed normal then. I went to bed early because I had to be up early to collect my daughter today. I haven't looked to see if anything happened here last night.

OpenMind;1098404 wrote: I went out yesterday afternoon to send a package to a friend and get some pound coins for the meter. I had one drink while I was in town and everything in Leeds seemed normal then. I went to bed early because I had to be up early to collect my daughter today. I haven't looked to see if anything happened here last night.This country has the largest numbers of people on benifit than any other EU country. It has nothing to do with un-employment. There is work out there. When a generation grows up seeing nothing but parents on benifit as a lifestyle instead of a safety net, it sets a precident. The kids grow up thinking that to scrounge every benifit going is the norm. Without a job, there is no sense of pride instilled. Their houses are filthy, their kids are tatty with no parental skills whatsoever.

Without the basic pride of holding down a job, learning a skill, (let alone learn even how to speak properly), there is no pride to keep their own country good. Litter is throen in the street, anyone who has a hanging basket outside their home risks vandalism, even war memorials get trashed.

The only way to turn this around is the proposals put forward by this government and that is to force some mothers back to work. The burden on the benifit system will be eased and kids will grow up with the pride of seeing a parent contribute to their country. if passed on, we may breed the next generation with some pride in their country at last.

oscar;1098418 wrote: This country has the largest numbers of people on benifit than any other EU country. It has nothing to do with un-employment. There is work out there. When a generation grows up seeing nothing but parents on benifit as a lifestyle instead of a safety net, it sets a precident. The kids grow up thinking that to scrounge every benifit going is the norm. Without a job, there is no sense of pride instilled. Their houses are filthy, their kids are tatty with no parental skills whatsoever.

Without the basic pride of holding down a job, learning a skill, (let alone learn even how to speak properly), there is no pride to keep their own country good. Litter is throen in the street, anyone who has a hanging basket outside their home risks vandalism, even war memorials get trashed.

The only way to turn this around is the proposals put forward by this government and that is to force some mothers back to work. The burden on the benifit system will be eased and kids will grow up with the pride of seeing a parent contribute to their country. if passed on, we may breed the next generation with some pride in their country at last.


I'm hoping it works but it could just as easily turn into resentment and that could be infectious in today's workforce. I see very little national pride anywhere nowadays and I am not talking about the national pride of football supporters here.

It is not just the poor and unemployed who are out there disgracing our city centres and abusing our services. Having lived in a pub in Dewsbury for nearly a year, I was surprised at how the majority of revellers, male and female, had jobs and were not decadent dole scroungers.

OpenMind;1098429 wrote: I'm hoping it works but it could just as easily turn into resentment and that could be infectious in today's workforce. I see very little national pride anywhere nowadays and I am not talking about the national pride of football supporters here.

It is not just the poor and unemployed who are out there disgracing our city centres and abusing our services. Having lived in a pub in Dewsbury for nearly a year, I was surprised at how the majority of revellers, male and female, had jobs and were not decadent dole scroungers.


There is no doubt that there are decent hard working folk and not benifit scroungers out there. I forget the figures recently released but i think it was 240,000 on benifit.

There is a section of people who work and think that is licence to go out and abuse everyone in sight and get a free lift home in an ambulance.

I still believe it goes back to the parents. if they have no pride, how can they pass that on to their kids?

oscar;1098435 wrote: There is no doubt that there are decent hard working folk and not benifit scroungers out there. I forget the figures recently released but i think it was 240,000 on benifit.

There is a section of people who work and think that is licence to go out and abuse everyone in sight and get a free lift home in an ambulance.

I still believe it goes back to the parents. if they have no pride, how can they pass that on to their kids?


I would like to know why the parents lack pride. Perhaps they feel let down by successive governments.



Then again, today's young workforce have grown up watching race riots on TV or hearing of black gangs with guns and using them. Maybe this has contributed to their attitude now.

There are still some things to be proud of;):D:-6

Shopkeeper leaves deserted store open on Boxing Day with an honesty box - and doesn't lose a penny | Mail Online

kazalala;1099099 wrote: There are still some things to be proud of;):D:-6



Shopkeeper leaves deserted store open on Boxing Day with an honesty box - and doesn't lose a penny | Mail Online


The shopkeeper says that those who didn't have the right change paid over the price for the goods they bought so he actually gained. A very trusting soul.:-6

OpenMind;1099106 wrote: The shopkeeper says that those who didn't have the right change paid over the price for the goods they bought so he actually gained. A very trusting soul.:-6


yep must have took a lot of faith in people to do that, but how nice he was proved right:D

kazalala;1099108 wrote: yep must have took a lot of faith in people to do that, but how nice he was proved right:D


I'm pretty sure the location had a lot to do with it. I've not been to Settle so I can't comment from personal experience. But I know he wouldn't have had a shop left if he'd tried that in my locality, let alone goods to sell.:wah:

If my memory serves me correctly... 12 poppy tins were put in schools in my area. 9 were stolen and the other three made 37 pence. :mad:

OpenMind;1099111 wrote: I'm pretty sure the location had a lot to do with it. I've not been to Settle so I can't comment from personal experience. But I know he wouldn't have had a shop left if he'd tried that in my locality, let alone goods to sell.:wah:

and probably here too:yh_rotfl i have been to Settle, its a pretty little yorkshire town:D i have also seen honesty boxes in quite a few places,, mainly countryside,, eggs and potatoes and tomatoes etc. left out on a table at the front of a farm with an honesty box next to it,,that kind of thing,, and yes it always amazes me but also reminds me not everywhere is the same as here or other cities

kazalala;1099113 wrote:

and probably here too:yh_rotfl i have been to Settle, its a pretty little yorkshire town:D i have also seen honesty boxes in quite a few places,, mainly countryside,, eggs and potatoes and tomatoes etc. left out on a table at the front of a farm with an honesty box next to it,,that kind of thing,, and yes it always amazes me but also reminds me not everywhere is the same as here or other cities


That's the word there Kazalala.. Countryside. What's the betting the burglery rate is high?

Any rural area is at far less risk to petty crime than estates in city centre's. In villages in rural area's, generations have grown up, familie's know familie's. Neighbours know neighbours and a tight knit community is formed.

This kind of community does not exist in many estates where most are on benifit and there is a high level of prostitution and drug abuse. Crime is rife due to the living conditions.

I think like many other people that there has been a decline in social standards for many years. But also, not everyone in Britain or Ireland are insane murderous scumbags. Most people are decent, law abiding, honest good people. Whether they are white, black, brown, yellow, or any shade inbetween, whether they are christian, jew, or Muslim, we always need to keep a sense of proportion here.

There are several very specific problems, and they are difficult, but they are not insurmountable. We do have social order problems, a tolerance of drinking and anti-social behaviour, a culture of welfare dependency, and a sense of undeserved entitlement, sure. But these things can all be tackled, but it will take time, and knee-jerk reactions won't solve it.

One definite aspect we need to change is the tolerance of violence, of sliding into this paranoid culture that glorifies sex, guns, murder, money, mayhem, all of that nonsense.

We also need to look at why we have packs of feral children running around major cities who feel no ties to anything other than each other. That situation has been building up over several generations, and there is going to have to be some sort of intervention at some point or we will end up with a situation similar to the one in Los Angeles where you have a modern propserous city, and an alternate city run by warlords and gangs that are almost as powerful as the local state. We already have a situation like that in Europe in Naples, and if its not crushed, then you will end up with a country run by facist criminals on the one hand, and a reactionary facist government on the other, killing each other, with the citizens caught in the middle. Like columbia, or now it seems in Mexico.

Also, feeding a lot of fear, we have a reactionary, commerically-driven, sensationalist media that tend to feed into peoples sense of fear and paranoia because fear sells. That can be changed, trust me, that can be changed, the rules regarding how the media is run should be changed, and new standards imposed on the tabloid media and TV.

Over a period of time, we need to re-introduce, through legislation and the general culture a sense of social responsibility, and that personal responsibility for ones actions is absolute, and is not mitigated by hard circumstance. Citizenship is a priviledge, not an inalienable right based on the fact your alive. Governments are not able to make life an effortless breeze, the best they can do is make it tolerable, and even that is pretty damn difficult on occasion.

If you are poor or deprived, then absolutely its the duty of society to help you get out of that situation, but its not an excuse for robbery, murder, intimidation, lazyness, or general mayhem, and there are no excuses for such things. Those excuses come more than anything from that sense of middle-class guilt about the inequity of the human condition, which is occassionally punctuated with the reverse, which is a hysterical right-wing panic about how everything is falling apart.

Neither is true, life is hard, and people are weak, but life is not insurmountable, and people can also be incredibly strong, as was once said, its a rare gift to be able to keep ones head, when all around you are losing theirs, that maxim is as true today as it was in Kipling's time.

oscar;1099124 wrote: That's the word there Kazalala.. Countryside. What's the betting the burglery rate is high?

Any rural area is at far less risk to petty crime than estates in city centre's. In villages in rural area's, generations have grown up, familie's know familie's. Neighbours know neighbours and a tight knit community is formed.

This kind of community does not exist in many estates where most are on benifit and there is a high level of prostitution and drug abuse. Crime is rife due to the living conditions.


I would just love to live in a little village with just a post office and a pub:D mind its not too bad where i live right now,, just about on the outskirts and quite a bit of greenery:D

kazalala;1099113 wrote:



and probably here too:yh_rotfl i have been to Settle, its a pretty little yorkshire town:D i have also seen honesty boxes in quite a few places,, mainly countryside,, eggs and potatoes and tomatoes etc. left out on a table at the front of a farm with an honesty box next to it,,that kind of thing,, and yes it always amazes me but also reminds me not everywhere is the same as here or other cities


The farms where I used to live before moving up to West Yorkshire used to do that too. A village just 3 miles north of Bedford town centre on what was the old A6.

Galbally;1099138 wrote: I think like many other people that there has been a decline in social standards for many years. But also, not everyone in Britain or Ireland are insane murderous scumbags. Most people are decent, law abiding, honest good people. Whether they are white, black, brown, yellow, or any shade inbetween, whether they are christian, jew, or Muslim, we always need to keep a sense of proportion here.



There are several very specific problems, and they are difficult, but they are not insurmountable. We do have social order problems, a tolerance of drinking and anti-social behaviour, a culture of welfare dependency, and a sense of undeserved entitlement, sure. But these things can all be tackled, but it will take time, and knee-jerk reactions won't solve it.



One definite aspect we need to change is the tolerance of violence, of sliding into this paranoid culture that glorifies sex, guns, murder, money, mayhem, all of that nonsense.



We also need to look at why we have packs of feral children running around major cities who feel no ties to anything other than each other. That situation has been building up over several generations, and there is going to have to be some sort of intervention at some point or we will end up with a situation similar to the one in Los Angeles where you have a modern propserous city, and an alternate city run by warlords and gangs that are almost as powerful as the local state. We already have a situation like that in Europe in Naples, and if its not crushed, then you will end up with a country run by facist criminals on the one hand, and a reactionary facist government on the other, killing each other, with the citizens caught in the middle. Like columbia, or now it seems in Mexico.



Also, feeding a lot of fear, we have a reactionary, commerically-driven, sensationalist media that tend to feed into peoples sense of fear and paranoia because fear sells. That can be changed, trust me, that can be changed, the rules regarding how the media is run should be changed, and new standards imposed on the tabloid media and TV.



Over a period of time, we need to re-introduce, through legislation and the general culture a sense of social responsibility, and that personal responsibility for ones actions is absolute, and is not mitigated by hard circumstance. Citizenship is a priviledge, not an inalienable right based on the fact your alive. Governments are not able to make life an effortless breeze, the best they can do is make it tolerable, and even that is pretty damn difficult on occasion.



If you are poor or deprived, then absolutely its the duty of society to help you get out of that situation, but its not an excuse for robbery, murder, intimidation, lazyness, or general mayhem, and there are no excuses for such things. Those excuses come more than anything from that sense of middle-class guilt about the inequity of the human condition, which is occassionally punctuated with the reverse, which is a hysterical right-wing panic about how everything is falling apart.



Neither is true, life is hard, and people are weak, but life is not insurmountable, and people can also be incredibly strong, as was once said, its a rare gift to be able to keep ones head, when all around you are losing theirs, that maxim is as true today as it was in Kipling's time.


I agree wholeheartedly with this, Galbally.:-6

kazalala;1099140 wrote: I would just love to live in a little village with just a post office and a pub:D mind its not too bad where i live right now,, just about on the outskirts and quite a bit of greenery:D


Cor, you'd be lucky to find a small village with a post office now.:rolleyes: