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hello and welcome to another vent your spleen session with grumpy

and i will save the best for last.



A BITTER dispute over the use of foreign workers on a multi million-pound construction project spread across the country today.



A decision to bring in hundreds of Italian and Portuguese contractors to work on a new £200million plant at the giant Lindsey Oil Refinery at North Killingholme, near Immingham, North Lincs, led to protests in support of jobs for Brit workers.



Several hundred demonstrators gathered for a third day outside the plant following a walk-out by contractors on Wednesday before the protest ended at 10am.



But the unofficial wildcat strikes also spread to other parts of the UK, including Scotland and Wales.



Hundreds of workers at the giant Grangemouth oil refinery in Scotland walked out following an early morning meeting.



Unite said mechanical contractors at six other Scottish sites were also taking industrial action.



And cops were called to the Aberthaw power station near Barry in South Wales after around 50 workers staged a protest.



Around 400 workers also staged a demonstration at the Wilton refinery in Teesside.



AAG

well well the chickens have come home to roost and do i recall some comments in my column that this would never happen WELL IT HAS !!!!

without mentioning any names THIS IS THE REALITY OF TEFLON TONYS EURO SUPERSTATE MASS IMMIGRATION POLICY .......

we have foriegn workers taking british jobs leaving british workers on the dole taking british homes benefits etc and this can only strengthen the cause for parties like the BNP.

you where warned that by voting labour that there would be an open door immigration policy you where warned that british jobs and britsh industries would be affected you where warned that a blair labour government would sell us out to unelected brussel euro crats did you listen ? did you nellies !!!

the country put its trust in teflon tony who betrayed this trust and ran away to a position in europe and left gordon brown to face the wrath at the ballot box.

labour have got more chance of winning another term than doncaster rovers have of playing in the premier league oh yes they did send in the bully boy police but that didnt work.



REMBER THE ADVERT NEW LABOUR NEW DANGER!!! well its just come back to bite you on the wotsits and i suppose the next party in will have to clean up and reverse the years of labour decline.

AAG

Andy...before i comment, I'd just like to point out that i've never heard of a country called 'Britsh' as in your title :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

I think its totally understandable that ordinary British workers would feel angered if they think that companies are just giving jobs to non-British workers because its cheaper or whatever other economic reasons they give. Its the same in all EU countries. They have a right to strike and protest the companies decisions and I fully support them in it.

There are provisions in EU law that accept that in times of economic distress countries will try to protect their national labour markets, thats understandable. Its my guess that this will be resolved quickly enough. Total will simply have to back down on this, its too politically sensitive.

Its funny, they were sneering (as usual) at the French on the BBC last night (Newnight, tut tut chaps your more educated than that) and predicting the impending collapse of France and the EU in a wave of strikes and the end (yawn) of the Euro; then I wake up in the crazy Euro-zone and what do I see? British workers out demanding their rights, does this mean the UK is in imminent danger of collapse and the pound is finished? Ho hum.

There is also a raft of EU legislation that protects workers rights, however Mrs Thatcher and John Major made sure that British bosses don't have to follow any of those laws, with her famous opt outs (which were presented as a "victory" for Britain, but in fact were only a victory for unscrupulous fat cat bosses, patriotism eh? :rolleyes:)

Also, the rights of workers to seek jobs across the EU also works both ways, so when people from Humberside take on contracts in Bremen I hope the Germans are a little less reactionary about it.

My final general point about this endless boring argument about Britain and the EU would be this, your being lied to constantly by your own establishment about the EU (who basically constantly use Brussels as a scapegoat for their own failures) and as for your right-wing press, well we all know the agenda there. The basic fact is that the EU is a force for good, most other Europeans are happy to be part of it, (despite the problems and issues involved in it, of which there are many of course), and membership is actually of huge benefit to Britain its not "a German racket" to quote Tebbit.

Also, membership is voluntary, if its that's bad for you and you just can't stand it anymore, just leave it and build a 45 foot high wall on the south coast, no one will shed many tears at this stage, I assure you, though personally I wouldn't be pleased to see the U.K. leave.

If you did leave, you might find you will want back in sooner than you think though. :-6

Some people think Enoch Powell was right, well De Gaulle certainly was.

galbally;1122310 wrote: i think its totally understandable that ordinary british workers would feel angered if they think that companies are just giving jobs to non-british workers because its cheaper or whatever other economic reasons they give. Its the same in all eu countries.

There are provisions in eu law that accept that in times of economic distress countries will try to protect their national labour markets, thats understandable. Its my guess that this will be resolved quickly enough. Total will simply have to back down on this, its too politically sensitive. Its funny, they were sneering at the french as usual on the bbc last night and predicting the collapse of france and the eu in a wave of strikes and the end (yawn) of the euro, then i wake up and what do i see? British workers out demanding their rights, does this mean the uk is in imminent danger of collapse and the pound is finished? Ho hum.

there is also a raft of eu legislation that protects workers rights, however mrs thatcher and john major made sure that british bosses don't have to follow any of those laws, with her famous opt outs (which were presented as a "victory" for britain, but in fact were only a victory for unscrupulous fat cat bosses, patriotism eh? :rolleyes:)

also, the rights of workers to seek jobs across the eu also works both ways, so when people from humberside take on contracts in bremen i hope the germans are a little less reactionary about it.

My final general point about this endless boring argument about britain and the eu would be this, membership is voluntary, if its that's bad for you, just leave it and build a 45 foot high wall on the south coast, no one will shed many tears at this stage, i assure you. :-6

some people think enoch powell was right, well de gaulle certainly was.


that's bollocks

oscar;1122319 wrote: that's bollocks


no its not

galbally;1122325 wrote: no its not


yes it feckin is

This is not about the EU, its about companies exploiting their own workers as usual, and the EU thing is being used as a red herring to deflect attention away from the fact that the rights of ordinary workers in Britain have been undermined for decades, not by the EU, but by the British government in hoc to big business, just like America.

oscar;1122327 wrote: yes it feckin is


NO IT FECKING ISN'T :wah:

galbally;1122329 wrote: no it fecking isn't :wah:


feckin tis

oscar;1122334 wrote: feckin tis


no tisn't

By the way, Crash Gordon is in Davos today lecturing other European leaders about "protectionism" (as usual), while people are on the streets in Britain carrying placards with Gordon's own quote from 2007 about "British jobs for British Workers". Do you spot any hypocrisy in there at all? This is what happens when you start playing to the gallery with populist nonsense. Go Gordon. :rolleyes:

I have a new name for the lad, its



INCAPABILITY BROWN :yh_rotfl

Hey how about BIFFO, talking with Unions on how to save the economy¦.

Who is running this feck’n country???[/SIZE]

And feckers in the banks who ran the whole economy into the ground, now making suggestions of bringing in property taxes to raise money to get us out of the mess they put us in..

posted by galbally

There is also a raft of EU legislation that protects workers rights, however Mrs Thatcher and John Major made sure that British bosses don't have to follow any of those laws, with her famous opt outs (which were presented as a "victory" for Britain, but in fact were only a victory for unscrupulous fat cat bosses, patriotism eh? )


Which is why we are now seeing british factories in multinational corporations being shut down before their continental counterparts even if they happen to be more efficient. All in the interests of keeping Britain competitive while we switched to a service economy.

By the way, Crash Gordon is in Davos today lecturing other European leaders about "protectionism" (as usual), while people are on the streets in Britain carrying placards with Gordon's own quote from 2007 about "British jobs for British Workers". Do you spot any hypocrisy in there at all? This is what happens when you start playing to the gallery with populist nonsense. Go Gordon.


I notice he's keeping the chancellor out of the way, mind you he really does look like a muppet.

No doubt we will now see oil tanker drivers going on strike flexing their new found muscle and really screwing things up even more than they are.

Oscar is a daily mail reader so is not used to logical arguments.

This training video might help.

YouTube - Argument Clinic

galbally;1122338 wrote: no tisn't


tis tis feckin well tis with knobs on

galbally;1122380 wrote: i have a new name for the lad, its



credibility brown :yh_rotfl


i agree

galbally;1122375 wrote: by the way, crash gordon is in davos today lecturing other european leaders about "protectionism" (as usual), while people are on the streets in britain carrying placards with gordon's own quote from 2007 about "british jobs for british workers". Do you spot any hypocrisy in there at all? This is what happens when you start playing to the gallery with populist nonsense. Go gordon. :rolleyes:


my fingers are in my ears and i'm singing...... La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la

gmc;1122394 wrote: posted by galbally



Which is why we are now seeing british factories in multinational corporations being shut down before their continental counterparts even if they happen to be more efficient. All in the interests of keeping Britain competitive while we switched to a service economy.



I notice he's keeping the chancellor out of the way, mind you he really does look like a muppet.

No doubt we will now see oil tanker drivers going on strike flexing their new found muscle and really screwing things up even more than they are.

Oscar is a daily mail reader so is not used to logical arguments.

This training video might help.

YouTube - Argument Clinic
I must agree that the chancellor is a muppet and i can't understand why his sexniness surrounds himself with these numpty's, but you have to sacrifrice a little to gain a lot.

No, i'm not used to logical arguements, so:

JUST SHUT YER FACE WILL YER

mikeinie;1122393 wrote: Hey how about BIFFO, talking with Unions on how to save the economy¦.

Who is running this feck’n country???[/SIZE]

And feckers in the banks who ran the whole economy into the ground, now making suggestions of bringing in property taxes to raise money to get us out of the mess they put us in..


This is our country Milkennie, not theirs, but we keep forgetting that.

I tell you one thing, BIFFO needs a kick up the arse, and by god is he going to get one soon. Bring it on.

Did you hear what the deputy Governor of the Central bank said about making pensioners pay for their free travel, this from a man who earns several hundred thousand Euro a year for not doing his job, all paid for courtesy of the tax payers.

What friggin planet are these guys living on?

My suggestion, lets fire some people in the Central Bank, the Regulators Office, The Department of Finance, and our (soon to be nationalized) banks, and get some human beings back in charge of the country. :-5

Panto.....Please accept my apologies on behalf of our celtic people who have dragged your serious thread into the depths of childness. I just don't know where they get it from..... really!!... tut tut :p

oscar;1122399 wrote: tis tis feckin well tis with knobs on


g'way ye big eegit

Galbally;1122413 wrote: This is our country Milkennie, not theirs, but we keep forgetting that.

I tell you one thing, BIFFO needs a kick up the arse, and by god is he going to get one soon. Bring it on.

Did you hear what the deputy Governor of the Central bank said about making pensioners pay for their free travel, this from a man who earns several hundred thousand Euro a year for not doing his job, all paid for courtesy of the tax payers.

What friggin planet are these guys living on?

My suggestion, lets fire some people in the Central Bank, the Regulators Office, The Department of Finance, and our (soon to be nationalized) banks, and get some human beings back in charge of the country. :-5


Excuse me Mr Debate and a half!!!!! It was only last night that you were reminding me that your tiny green gaff was part of the UK on another thread.

Who exactly is Biffo please???????

I'm not at all surprised that you are making the crinklies pay for their free travel after your nasty government took their health care away. Ha Thought i'd forgotton that one didn't you???

his Gorgeousness would certainly never consider such a thing here. :p:p:p

galbally;1122417 wrote: g'way ye big eegit


come over ere if you think your ard enough

oscar;1122429 wrote: Excuse me Mr Debate and a half!!!!! It was only last night that you were reminding me that your tiny green gaff was part of the UK on another thread.

Who exactly is Biffo please???????

I'm not at all surprised that you are making the crinklies pay for their free travel after your nasty government took their health care away. Ha Thought i'd forgotton that one didn't you???

his Gorgeousness would certainly never consider such a thing here. :p:p:p


Oscar, The Republic of Ireland is a different country, its not in the UK like Northern Ireland, don't make jokes about it, a lot of people died over this stuff, its not funny.

Yes, our government are also a shower of shytes, just like yours are.

oscar;1122429 wrote: Excuse me Mr Debate and a half!!!!! It was only last night that you were reminding me that your tiny green gaff was part of the UK on another thread.

Who exactly is Biffo please???????

I'm not at all surprised that you are making the crinklies pay for their free travel after your nasty government took their health care away. Ha Thought i'd forgotton that one didn't you???

his Gorgeousness would certainly never consider such a thing here. :p:p:p


Biffo is our Taoiseach (Prime Minister) of Ireland, it stands for

Big Ignorant f**ker from Offaly

Conservative Party Reptile: Biffo Cowen

Galbally;1122434 wrote: Oscar, The Republic of Ireland is a different country, its not in the UK like Northern Ireland, don't make jokes about it, a lot of people died over this stuff, its not funny.

Yes, our government are also a shower of shytes, just like yours are.


I've told you before Dr gallstones, i don't joke about such things as my father was Irish, born in County Cork so stop that nonsence please.

my Government is not a shower of shytes... that's just sour grapes cos you aint got Gordey boy:D:D

Sing along now and no dissin The Stranglers.

YouTube - Stranglers - Golden Brown 1997 live

mikeinie;1122437 wrote: Biffo is our Taoiseach (Prime Minister) of Ireland, it stands for

Big Ignorant f**ker from Offaly

Conservative Party Reptile: Biffo Cowen


Yep, thats Brian Cow-en for you. Not the best looking fella in the world either it has to be said. :yh_rotfl

Galbally;1122505 wrote: Yep, thats Brian Cow-en for you. Not the best looking fella in the world either it has to be said. :yh_rotfl


I just googled him, God, he's feckin ugly!!! And he's a Tory Tosser... Double trouble.

At least Gordon Gorgousness is sexy in a disturbing celtic type way.

oscar;1122466 wrote: I've told you before Dr gallstones, i don't joke about such things as my father was Irish, born in County Cork so stop that nonsence please.

my Government is not a shower of shytes... that's just sour grapes cos you aint got Gordey boy:D:D

Sing along now and no dissin The Stranglers.

YouTube - Stranglers - Golden Brown 1997 live


Okay, just be careful how you phrase things.

I wouldn't want any of your lot, except maybe Vince Cable or Ken Clarke, they seem to be slightly more in touch than some of the others, but we are stuck with our own shower I am afraid, don't worry, well sort ourselves out, we always do.

I don't diss the stranglers, they were a great band.

oscar;1122512 wrote: I just googled him, God, he's feckin ugly!!! And he's a Tory Tosser... Double trouble.

At least Gordon Gorgousness is sexy in a disturbing celtic type way.


Wait until you see our minister for health: Mary

http://www.daylife.com/topic/Mary_Harne ... his_week/1

oscar;1122512 wrote: I just googled him, God, he's feckin ugly!!! And he's a Tory Tosser... Double trouble.

At least Gordon Gorgousness is sexy in a disturbing celtic type way.


Yep, he is an ugly bugly, there is no denying it. :-2

He is a tough cookie though (or he was until this stuff started happening, the man is depressed at the moment, he is like a headless chicken).

I don't know why we always elect really bad looking fellas to be Taoiseach, maybe we should elect a hot looking chick next time, though we don't have to many of them in the Dail either. At the moment, I would settle for anyone who a clear and understandable vision about what they intend to do for the ordinary people of the country.

mikeinie;1122531 wrote: Wait until you see our minister for health: Mary

Mary Harney photos - Daylife


Oh Jaysus, why did you bring her into it, Irish politics ain't no beauty pagent is it? Maybe she would fancy Enda? What do you think?

Galbally;1122538 wrote: Oh Jaysus, why did you bring her into it, Irish politics ain't no beauty pagent is it? Maybe she would fancy Enda? What do you think?


It can't be as bad as the image i have in my head of john Major shagging Edwina Currie. That's enough to put you off your toxic irish pork (oh and beef now):D

galbally;1122532 wrote: yep, he is an ugly bugly, there is no denying it. :-2

he is a tough cookie though (or he was until this stuff started happening, the man is depressed at the moment, he is like a headless chicken).

i don't know why we always elect really bad looking fellas to be taoiseach, maybe we should elect a hot looking chick next time, though we don't have to many of them in the dail either. at the moment, i would settle for anyone who a clear and understandable vision about what they intend to do for the ordinary people of the country.


gordey's the man for you

and.... this is our minister for defence:

http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/ar ... 60602b.jpg

(I swear it is true..)

mikeinie;1122556 wrote: and.... this is our minister for defence:

http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/ar ... 60602b.jpg

(I swear it is true..)


Yep Willie O'Dea, that's the Irish Minister of Defence, he takes his job far too seriously if you ask me. :yh_rotfl



I love that picture though.

mikeinie;1122556 wrote: and.... this is our minister for defence:

http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/ar ... 60602b.jpg

(I swear it is true..)


Oh FFS...... I really thought nothing could be worse than Robin Cook the garden gnome.

I have to go now as i am looking after my friends shop tonight and his staff of Turkish, greek, Iranian and Pakistani...... Those people who come over here nicking all our jobs :wah:

oscar;1122566 wrote: Oh FFS...... I really thought nothing could be worse than Robin Cook the garden gnome.

I have to go now as i am looking after my friends shop tonight and his staff of Turkish, greek, Iranian and Pakistani...... Those people who come over here nicking all our jobs :wah:


Your looking after the shop are ye? Cool. As a matter of interest, how much do some basic things cost round your way I will give you a few examples, and you fill in the prices

Loaf of Bread

Mars Bar

Litre of Milk

Block of Cheese

Packet of Cream Crackers

Tin of John West Tuna

etc etc

Just wondering.

Galbally;1122606 wrote: Your looking after the shop are ye? Cool. As a matter of interest, how much do some basic things cost round your way I will give you a few examples, and you fill in the prices

Loaf of Bread

Mars Bar

Litre of Milk

Block of Cheese

Packet of Cream Crackers

Tin of John West Tuna

etc etc

Just wondering. In truth galbladder and i can not lie... I have absolutely no idea of such things. Yes i know i'm a woman and i am supposed to know these things but i don't. Ask me how much my sister paid for her latest designer handbag and i can tell you but these basic requirements are a mystery to me and i intend that they remain a mystery. One reason that i have no idea is i do not waste my valuable time queuing in supermarket checkouts. They are nasty places full of working class people with germs. Mr O does all the shopping and i don't even know which cupboard it goes in as he does must of the cooking as well. I write lists and that's my main contribution to the house. If i am going to fess up, i might as well add that i have no idea of how to empty the vacumn thingy or even how to turn my dvd player on. I know how to put dogs leads on, light ciggerettes, pour Bailey's Irish Cream into a glass, how to get knots out of Persian cats and how to order a Daily Mail.

However, i will take a guess:

Loaf of bread? hm could you please be more specific? Are we talking about that white sliced pap that people with no taste have beans on or are we talking Granary loaf, seeded loaf or fruit loaf? I think a loaf of granary bread costs about £1 something. If we are talking about the freshly baked bread we buy from The Turkish shop in the Fishponds Road in Bristol then it depends if you have it plain, with olives, garlic etc etc.

Mars Bar?........ never eat the shyte.

A litre of milk? What's a litre please? 4 pints of full milk costs about £1 something.

Block of cheese? Please be more specific. Are we talking Brie, Fetta, Creamy blue danish or what? we don't buy any of that English yellow stuff that looks like my mums custard and tastes like wallpaper paste.

Cream Crackers? What are they?

Tin of John west Tuna?........ I have no idea as we don't have anything out of a tin. I do know that two large fillets of smoked haddock is around £6.

I can also tell you that a tub of Italian green and black olives with garlic is approx £3 in good quality deli's. £4 if you want sun dried tomatoe's in them.

:D:D:D

oscar;1122711 wrote: In truth galbladder and i can not lie... I have absolutely no idea of such things. Yes i know i'm a woman and i am supposed to know these things but i don't. Ask me how much my sister paid for her latest designer handbag and i can tell you but these basic requirements are a mystery to me and i intend that they remain a mystery. One reason that i have no idea is i do not waste my valuable time queuing in supermarket checkouts. They are nasty places full of working class people with germs. Mr O does all the shopping and i don't even know which cupboard it goes in as he does must of the cooking as well. I write lists and that's my main contribution to the house. If i am going to fess up, i might as well add that i have no idea of how to empty the vacumn thingy or even how to turn my dvd player on. I know how to put dogs leads on, light ciggerettes, pour Bailey's Irish Cream into a glass, how to get knots out of Persian cats and how to order a Daily Mail.

However, i will take a guess:

Loaf of bread? hm could you please be more specific? Are we talking about that white sliced pap that people with no taste have beans on or are we talking Granary loaf, seeded loaf or fruit loaf? I think a loaf of granary bread costs about £1 something.

Mars Bar?........ never eat the shyte.

A litre of milk? What's a litre please? 4 pints of full milk costs about £1 something.

Block of cheese? Please be more specific. Are we talking Brie, Fetta, Creamy blue danish or what? we don't buy any of that English yellow stuff that looks like my mums custard and tastes like wallpaper paste.

Cream Crackers? What are they?

Tin of John west Tuna?........ I have no idea as we don't have anything out of a tin. I do know that two large fillets of smoked haddock is around £6.

I can also tell you that a tub of Italian green and black olives with garlic is approx £3 in good quality deli's.

:D:D:D


John West Tuna: YouTube - John West Tuna (Funny Commercial!)

Galbally;1122606 wrote: Your looking after the shop are ye? Cool. As a matter of interest, how much do some basic things cost round your way I will give you a few examples, and you fill in the prices

Loaf of Bread

Mars Bar

Litre of Milk

Block of Cheese

Packet of Cream Crackers

Tin of John West Tuna

etc etc

Just wondering.


The shop i care-take is a fast food out-let that sells kebabs, pizza and burgers. My job is to read the daily Mail and speak Bristolian to local folk should the Turkish, Iranian, Greek and Pakistani staff (who come over here and nick our jobs) can't understand the lingo such as 'Awl right my lover? I got a brand new combine arvester' and similar nonsense. On occassions i have had to call the police and window fitters when the yobs are on the rampage. I have to do this as Turkish folk are useless when it comes to telling the local police they are useless and telling the window fitters that we'd rather like the windows replaced by the morning please.

mikeinie;1122716 wrote: John West Tuna: YouTube - John West Tuna (Funny Commercial!)


Oh i know now what it is...... it's what we feed him:

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/membe ... oscar.html

It's cat food. Yes, that is a Daily Mail he's sitting on.