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Scrat;1124219 wrote: Nothing. Just like in 2006. They accomplished nothing.

What has Israel ever accomplished? Besides expansion at the expense of her neighbors. There will be no peace until justice is done.


Unless Obama breaks with the past 37 years of US support to Israel, they will continue the genocide. Iran has told Obama they are not doing anything until he denounces support for Israel. Iran has the capability of a nucleur warhead with a year. It's a good one to watch. :(

oscar;1124566 wrote: Unless Obama breaks with the past 37 years of US support to Israel, they will continue the genocide. Iran has told Obama they are not doing anything until he denounces support for Israel. Iran has the capability of a nucleur warhead with a year. It's a good one to watch. :(


Israel already has nuclear weapons. Do you think they will go for a pre-emptive strike against Iran?

Scrat;1124829 wrote: I don't think anyone in Iran or Israel is going to be slinging nukes at each other, especially big ones. I am not completely certain of this, it is afterall the ME.

Part of the reason Isreal retreated out of Gaza was economic, her agricultural industry was getting hit hard.

If Israel pops a nuke on Iran and the radiation hits a country like India causing a lot of contamination ect can you imagine what the world will do?

It wouldn't be worth it.

A conventional strike on Irans nuclear facilities is definitely a possibility but not it the near future, the US would have to help as Israel does not have the capability. Some of her submarines are capable of getting closer but they have very short legs.

A nuclear strike by Iran on Israel is not in the cards. Iran does not have the capability.


I wouldn't assume common sense comes in to it-or even rationality. Suicide bombing is rational when? Do you really think anyone capable of getting their followers to do that kind of thing will worry about what the rest of the world might do? They want war, they want armageddon. So do some israelis and some good honest to god Christians as well.

All you need is a plane to drop one, the iranians could borrow one from Pakistan and the nice american jet capable of carrying it as well come to that.

Hamas fired two rockets into Southern Israel yesterday. I watched footage yesterday of the Israeli's saying they will respond with un-proportional response. In other words they will bomb the shyte out of Gaza again.

I looked at these two Hamas rockets and the damage they did and it was absolutely bloody pathetic. Two holes in the ground that I've seen worse caused by the local kids here.

Absolutely bloody pathetic.

Christ.. We had worse than that here in the 80's.

This bomb went off in my home town three miles from my house.

YouTube - the ira brighton bomb

And Israel think they are being attacked by Hamas? Oh Boo Hoo Hoo

Jester;1125650 wrote: Scrat, sorry to spell it out so bluntly but niether side want peace.




So if Isarel don't want peace.... why does America wate their tax payers money by funding the terrorist Israeli military? Oh i forgot..... they keep Iran on their toes who is a threat to your National security.

gmc;1124733 wrote: Israel already has nuclear weapons. Do you think they will go for a pre-emptive strike against Iran?


It's looking clear now that Obama is not going to re-nounce Israeli support. Un-likely but not impossible. Israel has already threatened them enough.

Im glad to see you come around and recognize that the IDF has the ability to fully end this war by force, early on in this discussion and others you seemed to indicate that the IDF could not kill all of them. Israel could have went in and destroyed Hamas and anyone else they chose to destroy- this is proof that they do not want total annhiliation of the Gazan's, it is about politics in many ways and it always is. If they went toto far even the US would distance ourselves form them and they dont want that. Its about money, no doubt they want to keep the aide for the US pouring in. But to say its not about stopping fear to thier people is just crazy, they have to stop the complaints and fears, or the people will vote them out of office. Its always about politics as well as anything else.


First, those imprisoned the world's largest POW camp that is the Gaza Strip are not 'Gazans', they are Palestinians which have been cut off from the rest of the country by continued Israeli expansion over the years, in violation of the dozens of signed treaties marking out the boundaries between the two nations.

I think there are a few other system out there you coulfd try as well, but none of them are perfect. Attrition is necessary in this war- The Israelis need to keep constant pressure on Hamas militants which includes dynamic warfare from time to time. You just cant rely on weapon systems alone, you and I both knwo that boots on the ground make all the difference in the world when to winning.


Second, the Hamas 'terrorists' are a democratically elected government, their militancy fuelled almost solely by Israeli 'dynamic warfare'- i.e, the regular and disproportionate military invasions into the Gaza Strip, to supposedly quell Palestinian aggression on the same level as that which might be expected in any POW camp. the U.S.A don't stand back and let the Israelis do it for political reasons, they encourage the incursions to keep their arms and warplanes manufacturers in business. The motivation for the Israelis, though, is clearly political- anyone remember the last Israeli election where Palestinian territory wasn't invaded in the run-up? Any time any real issue raises their head in Israel, it's the same thing. 'Oh, no-one'll notice the latest tax hike if we have another invasion'. 'Oh no, a political scandal, quick, let's break out the big guns before the voters catch a whiff of this'.

As for the Gazans, they have been cut off from the world for over fifty years now. For the past two generations, every aid package has been bombed on arrival, every attempt at business and co-existence has been pounded out of existence. with men, women and children alike penned in under these conditions. Denied even the chance to seek refuge in any other country by the Israeli navy and the armed perimeter fencing them in, with no hope of a future other than serving as target practice for the Israeli ruling party's PR men, attempting some small, home-made vestige of resistance would surely seem the most natural, most hope-inspiring thing in the world.

(oh, and by the way, the comment about biotoxins- you really think a biological warhead can be sythesised in a residential house without running water or electricity, with the resource pool limited to around 1.5 to 2 sq.km? The only country, in the world, that continues to openly and brazenly develop new biological strains for the sole purpose of weaponisation, in clear defiance of international law, is- what a surprise, Israel. Double standards, anyone?)

Singh-Song;1126685 wrote: First, those imprisoned the world's largest POW camp that is the Gaza Strip are not 'Gazans', they are Palestinians which have been cut off from the rest of the country by continued Israeli expansion over the years, in violation of the dozens of signed treaties marking out the boundaries between the two nations.



Second, the Hamas 'terrorists' are a democratically elected government, their militancy fuelled almost solely by Israeli 'dynamic warfare'- i.e, the regular and disproportionate military invasions into the Gaza Strip, to supposedly quell Palestinian aggression on the same level as that which might be expected in any POW camp. the U.S.A don't stand back and let the Israelis do it for political reasons, they encourage the incursions to keep their arms and warplanes manufacturers in business. The motivation for the Israelis, though, is clearly political- anyone remember the last Israeli election where Palestinian territory wasn't invaded in the run-up? Any time any real issue raises their head in Israel, it's the same thing. 'Oh, no-one'll notice the latest tax hike if we have another invasion'. 'Oh no, a political scandal, quick, let's break out the big guns before the voters catch a whiff of this'.

As for the Gazans, they have been cut off from the world for over fifty years now. For the past two generations, every aid package has been bombed on arrival, every attempt at business and co-existence has been pounded out of existence. with men, women and children alike penned in under these conditions. Denied even the chance to seek refuge in any other country by the Israeli navy and the armed perimeter fencing them in, with no hope of a future other than serving as target practice for the Israeli ruling party's PR men, attempting some small, home-made vestige of resistance would surely seem the most natural, most hope-inspiring thing in the world.

(oh, and by the way, the comment about biotoxins- you really think a biological warhead can be sythesised in a residential house without running water or electricity, with the resource pool limited to around 1.5 to 2 sq.km? The only country, in the world, that continues to openly and brazenly develop new biological strains for the sole purpose of weaponisation, in clear defiance of international law, is- what a surprise, Israel. Double standards, anyone?)
:wah: Welcome to Fg. I can see we are going to get along great :-6 But then your British so welcome :-6

Your absolutely spot on here.

posted by jester

Palestine is and has always belonged to the descendents of Israel, they conquered it by right and as far as I'm concerned have all the rights to take all they want.


Interesting way to look at things. I suppose they did conquer it in the first place in the first place-the bible tells it so anyway.

What they can take they can keep and international agreements have no real meaning if a stronger state can take what it wants from another. Thought we'd progress beyond that kind of thing. The Israelis lost the rights to their land for hundreds of years and wouldn't have got it back if not for western and latterly US support. So are you saying that if the Palestinians manage to take it back that is their legitimate right to try and do so? How about if the christian churches once again decides that there should be no jewish state in the holy land would that be all right as well? Why don't you advocate the israelis just go in and wipe out the Palestinians? After all they probably have the capability to do so and might is right.

ghengis khan (except he said it in a foreign language of course)

The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.


posted by jester

Second- I could synthesize enough biotoxin in a shoe box to kill a hundred thousand people. All it takes is the right ingredients, which could be brought into Gaza easier than the explosives that get in through all those places that you say nothing gets passed.


Isn't it lucky that the average terrorist is too stupid to realise that and spend all their time trying to build nukes and blowing themselves up. Good job they don't think of putting things in the water supply as well or just fixing a bomb to a petrol tanker in any big american city. They wouldn't actually have to do it all terrorists need to do is create terror by making their enemies think that they have added something or intent to blow up city hall. suicide bombers would surely prefer to do that and kill thousands rather than just a handful at a time.

Sooner or later the Palestinians and Israelis will make peace with each other it's nutters on both sides that want forever war. enemies always do make peace eventually unless one manages to totally wipe out the other-that also brings peace i suppose.