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Shock BNP victory as far-right candidate takes council seat in Kent | Mail Online

Evil bastids.

Clodhopper;1140817 wrote:

Evil bastids.


Glad i don't live in Sevenoaks Kent. Anyway That's Tory Land i thought.

It gives the mainstream parties a kick up the backside, and that can't be bad

Bruv;1140835 wrote: It gives the mainstream parties a kick up the backside, and that can't be bad


True..... Labour and Conservative lost seats.

oscar;1140796 wrote: Shock BNP victory as far-right candidate takes council seat in Kent | Mail Online


Gordon brown needs to go before he totally destroys the labour party although he and tony have probably already done that.

GORDON IS A MORON

gmc;1140857 wrote: Gordon brown needs to go before he totally destroys the labour party although he and tony have probably already done that.

GORDON IS A MORON :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

BOLLOCKS

oscar;1140873 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

BOLLOCKS


Yes he does talk a load of bollocks doesn't he.

Given the current economic situation globally and in Britain, and also the current state of race relations in Britain, and the uncomfortable relationship that native Britons have with the newer immigrants from non EU countries (particularly Muslim ones), I see it as unavoidable that there are going to be significant gains for Far Right nationalist parties in Britain in the coming years.

They will espouse policies of leaving the EU, getting rid of economic migrants, and restoring what they see as English cultural values to being un-vioable aspects of British life and what being British is.

You may not like to admit this, but they are all very popular sentiments at the moment, espeically the anti-EU one, which is the legacy of 20 years of ill-educated hate filled rhetoric about EU from the right wing gutter press and opportunistic politicians and commentators who see the EU as a convinient scapegoat for most of Britain's own political and social problems of the past period.

A shame, but as ye sow so shall ye reap.

There is an upside: In the Thatcherite recession, the Afro-Caribbean community ended up more integrated/accepted as a result of all the trouble of that time.

I know the situation is not identical, but there is at least a chance that this one will help with the integration of the Muslims.

gmc;1140946 wrote: Yes he does talk a load of bollocks doesn't he.


Get over..... No, his Hunkiness does not talk Bolloocks..... Have you read my siganture?

You come from the same area as him..... Do you talk Bollocks in that disturbingly sexy Scottish type way?

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Galbally;1141228 wrote: Given the current economic situation globally and in Britain, and also the current state of race relations in Britain, and the uncomfortable relationship that native Britons have with the newer immigrants from non EU countries (particularly Muslim ones), I see it as unavoidable that there are going to be significant gains for Far Right nationalist parties in Britain in the coming years.

They will espouse policies of leaving the EU, getting rid of economic migrants, and restoring what they see as English cultural values to being un-vioable aspects of British life and what being British is.

You may not like to admit this, but they are all very popular sentiments at the moment, espeically the anti-EU one, which is the legacy of 20 years of ill-educated hate filled rhetoric about EU from the right wing gutter press and opportunistic politicians and commentators who see the EU as a convinient scapegoat for most of Britain's own political and social problems of the past period.

A shame, but as ye sow so shall ye reap.


Any-one who votes for the BNP thinking it's going to get rid of all those nasty foriegners are idiots.

I'm now going to sit back and watch Sevenoaks council to see how many lawsuits they get served with when those nasty immigrants are suing the arsse of them for denying them their 'Human rights'.

Clodhopper;1141246 wrote: There is an upside: In the Thatcherite recession, the Afro-Caribbean community ended up more integrated/accepted as a result of all the trouble of that time.

I know the situation is not identical, but there is at least a chance that this one will help with the integration of the Muslims. Yes but you have come to that conclusion because you have a brain. Most idiots who vote or are looking to vote BNP only have a void cavity where there should be at least one brain cell. A bit like the SNP really

Ooof. I'm not far from bed. but in a nutshell (ok, several nutshells):

There's a lot more out there with brains than you would think from the Press.

Much more of a problem with (very loosely) tribalism.

Signs that the Home Office is paying attention to this.

Clodhopper;1141310 wrote: Ooof. I'm not far from bed. but in a nutshell (ok, several nutshells):

There's a lot more out there with brains than you would think from the Press.

Much more of a problem with (very loosely) tribalism.

Signs that the Home Office is paying attention to this. I'm off to nod land soon too. Hard night tonight working just to give Gorgeous Gordon some more tax.

If this win is a sign of the times, whatever next? A Lib dem Victory in Kensington? :yh_rotfl

oscar;1141276 wrote: Any-one who votes for the BNP thinking it's going to get rid of all those nasty foriegners are idiots.

I'm now going to sit back and watch Sevenoaks council to see how many lawsuits they get served with when those nasty immigrants are suing the arsse of them for denying them their 'Human rights'.


Sure, you make a good point, but what if the BNP get 10 seats in Parliament in the next election, and the Conservatives end up requiring their seats for a majority in Parliament?

Parliament makes the laws, once you leave the EU, which seems to be what most Britons want for some reason, there will be no check on a very right-wing British government bringing any laws to get rid of "nasty immigrants" to wherever (evacuation to the east perhaps?). An outlandish scenario perhaps, but then as Gordon says "these are unprecedented times".

Galbally;1141537 wrote: Sure, you make a good point, but what if the BNP get 10 seats in Parliament in the next election, and the Conservatives end up requiring their seats for a majority in Parliament?

Parliament makes the laws, once you leave the EU, which seems to be what most Britons want for some reason, there will be no check on a very right-wing British government bringing any laws to get rid of "nasty immigrants" to wherever (evacuation to the east perhaps?). An outlandish scenario perhaps, but then as Gordon says "these are unprecedented times".A fancifull scenario i feel.

If the BNP get 10 seats then more power to Labour for a win.

I can't ecer see Britain going it alone without the EU. Farming, agriculture, etc etc , it just couldn't work.

oscar;1141897 wrote: A fancifull scenario i feel.

If the BNP get 10 seats then more power to Labour for a win.

I can't ecer see Britain going it alone without the EU. Farming, agriculture, etc etc , it just couldn't work.


Try telling that to those berks in UKIP and the daily mail editorial team. The daily mail has always been a right wing paper they should probably come right out and support the BNP openly instead of touting their agenda for them.

gmc;1140857 wrote: GORDON IS A MORON


gmc, please desist from using this term to describe Gordon Brown. I consider this an insult to morons.

There are many other terms (also accurate) to describe him, such as:- oleaginous hypocrite, pompous arsehole, useless cretin, megalomaniac et cetera.

I cannot actually call him a slimeball as the slime keeps slipping off the oil.

gmc;1142015 wrote: Try telling that to those berks in UKIP and the daily mail editorial team. The daily mail has always been a right wing paper they should probably come right out and support the BNP openly instead of touting their agenda for them. I have spotted their right wing overtones in the Daily Mail.... One of the reasons it makes hilarious reading.

Chookie;1142068 wrote: gmc, please desist from using this term to describe Gordon Brown. I consider this an insult to morons.

There are many other terms (also accurate) to describe him, such as:- oleaginous hypocrite, pompous arsehole, useless cretin, megalomaniac et cetera.

I cannot actually call him a slimeball as the slime keeps slipping off the oil. Are you sure your not just jealous of his rugged good looks, physique and general sex appeal to women?

DON'T YOU WISH YOU WERE HOT LIKE GORD?

Chookie;1142068 wrote: gmc, please desist from using this term to describe Gordon Brown. I consider this an insult to morons.

There are many other terms (also accurate) to describe him, such as:- oleaginous hypocrite, pompous arsehole, useless cretin, megalomaniac et cetera.

I cannot actually call him a slimeball as the slime keeps slipping off the oil.


Oscar is a daily mail reader. It seemed best to use simple words she might be able to comprehend:-3 I know moron is an inadequate description. I find myself disliking him almost as much as tony and even surprisingly enough more than thatcher. Arguably he is far more destructive than she ever was-at least she understood what she was doing, I don't think gordie boy has a clue any more-not that he ever did. I see he is now talking about banning 100% mortgages. He must think we are all stupid. Who was the moron that allowed 125% loans in the first place and shared equity schemes and all the other bits that helped keep house prices artificially high.

posted by oscar

Are you sure your not just jealous of his rugged good looks, physique and general sex appeal to women?


No. Speaking for myself I just need to look in a mirror and I realise he's not in the same league

The daily mail has always been a right wing paper they should probably come right out and support the BNP openly instead of touting their agenda for them.


It's a common misperception that the newspapers exist to inform their readers of the news. What they really do is reinforce the prejudices of their readers, largely by expressing them in a more articulate/amusing way than most readers can.

oscar;1141897 wrote: A fancifull scenario i feel.

If the BNP get 10 seats then more power to Labour for a win.

I can't ecer see Britain going it alone without the EU. Farming, agriculture, etc etc , it just couldn't work.


Yes hopefully you are right, and I would tend to agree (for now).

I think at the moment in our countries, our politicians are essentially rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic, when in reality we need a someone to grasp that essentially we are in a totally changed world situation, (its understandable that its taking time for governments to catch up with this, as essentially its happened in a very short space of time, and its still going on, so I don't blame Gordon Brown for everything that is happening to Britain, though he is well behind the curve is you ask me).

I don't think he has grasped that the old economic realities are essentially dead, and that Britain needs a totally new direction, and a new sense of purpose, not this fiddling at the edges of the financial system, while pussyfooting round the banks that have mostly caused all of this crap.

Our own Fianna Fail government is in a far worse position, they have fundamentally lost the trust and confidence of the citizens of the Republic, and people are almost at the stage of outright revolt at this stage, given the financial corruption coming to light in our society, and the high handed patrician attitude of the banking and business elite, while young Irish couples (in fact most ordinary working people) are rapidly losing everything and the country heads towards bankruptcy, its a very painful time for anyone who loves Ireland, to see our country being laid so low by the actions of a small elite of self-serving economic traitors, and their political cronies.

To my mind, what the governments in charge (and the other members of national parliaments) need to realize is that the model we had for doing things for the past 30 years had fallen apart on a very fundamental level. If they continue to throw state resources at these failed institutions and philosophies, they will bankrupt their countries, and undermine the unspoken political concensus that underlines Western democratic governance. It's that serious, I kid you not.

What we need is a new vision of society, a reaffirmation of the social contract between the ordinary citizens, the government they pay for, business, and capital interests. We urgently need to start reaffirming the absolute requirement for all sectors of society to work toward the common good, (including private companies that makes lots of money, making a profit out of capitalism is a priviledge granted by our system not a fundamental right, it needs to be balanced against other basic issues such as equity, social justice, and political stability; (just like everything else dictated by human laws).

We need to do this to give citizens a feeling that they live in societies that protect their basic interests and have a shared common destiny. Otherwise we may be facing a situation of serious civil unrest in coming years, and end up in extreme political crisis. The last time that happened in Europe, we all know what the outcome was, it was not good.

In terms of the EU, it really needs to made clear to all EU citizens that the model of a collegiate Europe, that uses its collective strength to better the lives and security of the continent and all its people, is really the only game in town for all of us.

The alternative is a retreat into nationalism, xenophobia, protectionism, and probably war at some stage. We had the system of absolute nation states in Europe for centuries, and it resulted in centuries of incessant warfare over money, trade, and power.

If Britain left the EU, it would probably feel great for a while, until the reality of what leaving the single market into which 2/3rds of all British exports go, and abandoning any participation in the collective political structures of the EU would mean for the U.K. as we enter a global depression probably lasting at least 5-10 years.

More reflective commentators and politicians in Britain need to start making these points very forcefully now, to counter the xenophobic nonsense that comes out of the tabloid press day after day.

The outstanding historical reality of Europe in the past 100 years is that during that time, the nation state model failed utterly, which is why the Treaty of Rome came about in the first place in 1955, following two catastrophic world wars. We need to reaffirm our commitment to a common European cause, for the betterment of all citizens, including British ones. We can argue about the details of how its done, how it works, and how to balance national with EU power, but the overall need for some form of European Union is to my mind, a no-brainer.

That may again sound melodramatic, but it isn't I assure you, we truly are living on the cusp of an utterly new era in global politics and we need to try and build up as much stability as possible going into it, particularly social and poltical stability, otherwise civil and national conflict in Europe is probably inevitable.

Galbally;1142275 wrote: Yes hopefully you are right, and I would tend to agree (for now).

I think at the moment in our countries, our politicians are essentially rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic, when in reality we need a someone to grasp that essentially we are in a totally changed world situation, (its understandable that its taking time for governments to catch up with this, as essentially its happened in a very short space of time, and its still going on, so I don't blame Gordon Brown for everything that is happening to Britain, though he is well behind the curve is you ask me).

I don't think he has grasped that the old economic realities are essentially dead, and that Britain needs a totally new direction, and a new sense of purpose, not this fiddling at the edges of the financial system, while pussyfooting round the banks that have mostly caused all of this crap.

Our own Fianna Fail government is in a far worse position, they have fundamentally lost the trust and confidence of the citizens of the Republic, and people are almost at the stage of outright revolt at this stage, given the financial corruption coming to light in our society, and the high handed patrician attitude of the banking and business elite, while young Irish couples (in fact most ordinary working people) are rapidly losing everything and the country heads towards bankruptcy, its a very painful time for anyone who loves Ireland, to see our country being laid so low by the actions of a small elite of self-serving economic traitors, and their political cronies.

To my mind, what the governments in charge (and the other members of national parliaments) need to realize is that the model we had for doing things for the past 30 years had fallen apart on a very fundamental level. If they continue to throw state resources at these failed institutions and philosophies, they will bankrupt their countries, and undermine the unspoken political concensus that underlines Western democratic governance. It's that serious, I kid you not.

What we need is a new vision of society, a reaffirmation of the social contract between the ordinary citizens, the government they pay for, business, and capital interests. We urgently need to start reaffirming the absolute requirement for all sectors of society to work toward the common good, (including private companies that makes lots of money, making a profit out of capitalism is a priviledge granted by our system not a fundamental right, it needs to be balanced against other basic issues such as equity, social justice, and political stability; (just like everything else dictated by human laws).

We need to do this to give citizens a feeling that they live in societies that protect their basic interests and have a shared common destiny. Otherwise we may be facing a situation of serious civil unrest in coming years, and end up in extreme political crisis. The last time that happened in Europe, we all know what the outcome was, it was not good.

In terms of the EU, it really needs to made clear to all EU citizens that the model of a collegiate Europe, that uses its collective strength to better the lives and security of the continent and all its people, is really the only game in town for all of us.

The alternative is a retreat into nationalism, xenophobia, protectionism, and probably war at some stage. We had the system of absolute nation states in Europe for centuries, and it resulted in centuries of incessant warfare over money, trade, and power.

If Britain left the EU, it would probably feel great for a while, until the reality of what leaving the single market into which 2/3rds of all British exports go, and abandoning any participation in the collective political structures of the EU would mean for the U.K. as we enter a global depression probably lasting at least 5-10 years.

More reflective commentators and politicians in Britain need to start making these points very forcefully now, to counter the xenophobic nonsense that comes out of the tabloid press day after day.

The outstanding historical reality of Europe in the past 100 years is that during that time, the nation state model failed utterly, which is why the Treaty of Rome came about in the first place in 1955, following two catastrophic world wars. We need to reaffirm our commitment to a common European cause, for the betterment of all citizens, including British ones. We can argue about the details of how its done, how it works, and how to balance national with EU power, but the overall need for some form of European Union is to my mind, a no-brainer.

That may again sound melodramatic, but it isn't I assure you, we truly are living on the cusp of an utterly new era in global politics and we need to try and build up as much stability as possible going into it, particularly social and poltical stability, otherwise civil and national conflict in Europe is probably inevitable.


No it's not overly melodramatic. It's when you speak to any of the ukip or bnp supporters you realise reality is not going tom get in the way of a good heart felt opinion. They tend to just read the latest brochure and don't seem to think of checking. The classic misconception is that most of our trade is with the rstof the world and eu rules make us uncompetitive. Nor do they seem ti understand all the inward investment we received (toyota nissan etc) was because were IN the eu not because we are britain. We are now seeing early signs of the results of our not taking on the eu employment protection laws as british workers get laid off first (regardless of how efficient the plant is ) because it is the cheaper option as we don't have the same requirements for redundancy payments etc as they do in europe. Same with not being in the euro, British goods are becoming increasingly hard to export. The unions have twigged but no doubt ukip and the like that will somehow persuade people it is down to membership of the eu.

It might be brutal but letting the banks fail might have been less painful in the long run-all we are doing is watching our money swirl down the toilet. We should let the car companies go as well.

Rather than bail them out it would be better to give the money to new companies and encouraging research and get them developing electric cars and the like and forgetting the old, failed companies. Bailing them out just means those manufacturers that are already making cars for the 21st century and looking ahead now have to compete against subsidised range rover and the like. It damages them and that is our future prospects being damaged.

A plague on all those who fell for the daft idea we just needed a service economy-including that numpty gordon brown. We're going to be bankrupt and it's all his fault.

In scotland they tend to go for more extreme left wing parties rather than go to the right. If the scottish socialist party hadn't taken the normal route of left wing parties and destroyed itself it would probably be taking seats of labour and giving the SNP a run for it's money.