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bah humbug its your every ranting grumps here.

my daughter brought home a newsletter today from school reminding us of that terrible day when sir scruffy geldof and his cronies are joined by celebs with nothing better to do and go on the cadge for red nose day.

if we are not inundated with collection bags and tv adverts for the various charitys we are bombarded on the bbc by do gooders scrounging on behalf of africans

half of which are over here now the cheeky b******s are asking us to feed the rest of the family at home.

how much more of our money do we have to keep pouring down the bottomless african sink ?

think about it how much money have we poured into india or africa ?

enough to get the country back on its feet yet they still hold out the begging bowl and ask for more yet they still keep breeding kids when they know they cannot afford to feed them.

at the minute aids and other disease is rife in africa good because dont you think its natures way of trying to get the population down ? theres just too many mouths to feed.

have you also noticed how they always show crying african childen find the skinnyest child in the village make them cry and cleverly show us that image

to appeal to our oh the poor thing side before going on the earole to ask for cash.

do something silly for red nose day and keep your cash in your pocket .

dont pledge dont give dont wear the silly red nose because they,ll be back next year and the year after that you,ll be feeding africa for the rest of your life.

alternativly if you must donate send them a packet of mates condoms

AAG

What a despicable post!

abbey;1152424 wrote: What a despicable post!


I agree...disgusting:mad:

kayleneaussie;1152433 wrote: I agree...disgusting:mad:


I'm sure if he was broke, homeless and out of a job you can bet he would have his hand out.:-5

we have red nose day over here every year and I always donate even if I am broke because it for children:-4

kayleneaussie;1152440 wrote: we have red nose day over here every year and I always donate even if I am broke because it for children:-4


So do I Kay and I also donate all my kids clothes to thrift stores, etc. I don't need the money.

pantoandy;1152206 wrote: they still keep breeding kids when they know they cannot afford to feed them.

at the minute aids and other disease is rife in africa good because dont you think its natures way of trying to get the population down ? theres just too many mouths to feed.


In Africa whole families live together. The grandparents, who can no longer work, care for the babies. The parents and the children, from toddlers upwards, will farm the land. If there were just 2 adults, say, and their parents, the adults would have to grow, water and harvest enough food for 6 people, but when they have children they can grow more crops. Once you have several children you can grow more food than you need. These crops, once harvested, can be sold at the local market. The farmer can buy a selection of crops/foods produced by other farmers so that his family can have a more balanced diet. More children mean the farmer can grow enough crops to sell so that he can actually save some money. Saved money can eventually buy a cow so that he can feed his children milk, butter, cheese, yogurt, etc. Even more children would make him even more money which would eventually buy him a second cow and he could then sell the excess milk, butter, cheese etc.

Children in Africa are considered to be a source of wealth! Because having more children means you can farm more land and so make more money.

Why then, you ask, aren't they all stonking rich?

Because back in the 60s, 70s and 80s we had lots of ideas to help the starving in Africa. This was the Green Revolution. Firstly there was the idea of sending tractors and combine harvesters etc, to help them work faster and farm more. Sadly nobody thought about these big machines needing petrol (gas) and so the machines are left in barns or in fields to rust as no one can use them. However, the machines still need to be paid for. We in the West told the third world how to improve their lives, insisted they import the machines and are now demanding payment. It doesn't maatter that they can't use them. It doesn't matter that they didn't ask for them. We still want our money back.

An African earns just a few pennies a day, but because they are proud they usually give more than half of each days pennies back to the West to pay off their 'debt'. This is money they need desperately to buy seeds to grow crops with or for clothes and food for their families, but they cannot bear to be in debt and they will not renege on their debt and so their families starve so they can pay us back what we insist they 'owe' because of our mistakes.

There were also the crops we invented in greenhouses in the West. Crops that grew at superfast rates in artificial conditions. We sent them thousands of tonnes of seeds to grow these crops and insisted everyone grow them and have lots of food. So everyone grew the seeds and yes, they grew fast. Unfortunately the crops produced contained NO nutritional content, were hard to cook and almost impossible to digest. Also, no one could sell them at market because everyone had grown the same crops and everyone had too much of this one inedible crop and nothing else. So there was no balanced diet, there was just nothing for anyone to eat!

And , of course, we charged them for all the seeds we sent. And for the cost of sending and distributing them. For decades we have been telling them how to improve their lives without understanding how they live. We try to make them conform and we basically ******* it up for them!

And then we make them pay for it!

'Sir Scruffy Geldof' said we should cancel this debt to the West. After all, it's our fault they owe us so much money. But the greedy West with its throwaway culture refused to cancel the debt. We want our pound of flesh.



Moving on, yes, AIDS is rife in Africa. Many people have the disease. Doctors are few and far between in Africa but most villages have their own witch doctor and most villagers trust their witch doctors more than they trust western doctors. According to a documentary I watched, the witch doctors tell the AIDS victims that to rid themselves of the disease they must rape a virgin! Because Africans become sexually active at a young age these men had to begin raping children, now they rape babies, even those only a few weeks old! Thats why the disease is so rife in Africa! And of course, they don't just rape one baby! The more babies raped, the more chance of getting rid of the disease! According to their all-powerful witch doctors!



Too many people agree with the OP's point of view without understanding the reasons behind the ongoing crisis. You can't slag something off, you can't even give an opinion, if you don't really understand the situation. Sadly, most people in the world do just that. Slate something without bothering to find out the facts first. We all do it. I do it. But I hope in this instance I've given you a different viewpoint to consider before you make such arrogant and unfounded assumptions again. I always enjoy your posts, but I didn't enjoy this one.

Good post Rap. :-6

abbey;1152521 wrote: Good post Rap. :-6


Thanks sweetie. Hope it helps. :-6

pantoandy;1152206 wrote: bah humbug its your every ranting grumps here.

my daughter brought home a newsletter today from school reminding us of that terrible day when sir scruffy geldof and his cronies are joined by celebs with nothing better to do and go on the cadge for red nose day.

if we are not inundated with collection bags and tv adverts for the various charitys we are bombarded on the bbc by do gooders scrounging on behalf of africans

half of which are over here now the cheeky b******s are asking us to feed the rest of the family at home.

how much more of our money do we have to keep pouring down the bottomless african sink ?

think about it how much money have we poured into india or africa ?

enough to get the country back on its feet yet they still hold out the begging bowl and ask for more yet they still keep breeding kids when they know they cannot afford to feed them.

at the minute aids and other disease is rife in africa good because dont you think its natures way of trying to get the population down ? theres just too many mouths to feed.

have you also noticed how they always show crying african childen find the skinnyest child in the village make them cry and cleverly show us that image

to appeal to our oh the poor thing side before going on the earole to ask for cash.

do something silly for red nose day and keep your cash in your pocket .

dont pledge dont give dont wear the silly red nose because they,ll be back next year and the year after that you,ll be feeding africa for the rest of your life.

alternativly if you must donate send them a packet of mates condoms

AAG
How very sad:(

pantoandy;1152206 wrote: bah humbug its your every ranting grumps here.

my daughter brought home a newsletter today from school reminding us of that terrible day when sir scruffy geldof and his cronies are joined by celebs with nothing better to do and go on the cadge for red nose day.

if we are not inundated with collection bags and tv adverts for the various charitys we are bombarded on the bbc by do gooders scrounging on behalf of africans

half of which are over here now the cheeky b******s are asking us to feed the rest of the family at home.

how much more of our money do we have to keep pouring down the bottomless african sink ?

think about it how much money have we poured into india or africa ?

enough to get the country back on its feet yet they still hold out the begging bowl and ask for more yet they still keep breeding kids when they know they cannot afford to feed them.

at the minute aids and other disease is rife in africa good because dont you think its natures way of trying to get the population down ? theres just too many mouths to feed.

have you also noticed how they always show crying african childen find the skinnyest child in the village make them cry and cleverly show us that image

to appeal to our oh the poor thing side before going on the earole to ask for cash.

do something silly for red nose day and keep your cash in your pocket .

dont pledge dont give dont wear the silly red nose because they,ll be back next year and the year after that you,ll be feeding africa for the rest of your life.

alternativly if you must donate send them a packet of mates condoms

AAGAfter reading your post and Repunzels excellent alternative perception, i will try to keep mine short. To add to Repunzels reply, the situation in Africa has also been brought about by dictatorship corrupt governments who have denied their own people their rights but that's an issue we don't need to go into in.

Pharmacutical companies are also to blame for ensuring that birth control is financially out of reach for some African countries and their governments. We can add to that, draught, famine and disease and global warming that has brought about past years of failed crops.

Having said that, what i will agree with you about in this post, is being made to 'feel' as if we should put our hands in our pockets and frankly, the one thing that will make me turn my back on any charity, is having a tin shoved under my nose. Having said that, i am a hypocrite as i do the exact same thing to people for the RBL. Charity donation is a personal choice and if i want to donate to Red Nose Day then i will by watching an appeal in the privicy of my own home. RND in my humble opinion has become too commercialised and i quite dread the day that we have a bunch of lunitics running around the country under the guise of 'fun day' but for 'starving Africans'. Half of these idiots don't even know where Africa is let alone the situation or history of the continent. It is an excuse to be 'wacky' in the name of charity. I do not want to be 'forced' into making a donation nor be made to feel a scrooge if i do not. Mr O and i subscribe to many charities for many reasons, some of those very personal such as childrens cancer research.

Charity is about choice and just because one person wants to take on the problems of another continent, it does not mean that everyone has to because a bunch of minus Z list celebs get tarted up on national TV and make a spectacle of themselves.

Mr O and i have sponsered two children in Mombassa and we have paid over several years for them to have an education and schooling so don't anyone tell me that i don't give a shyte.

I was hesitant to continue reading this thread after the original post. I'm glad I continued to read the other posts. I was educated today.

along-for-the-ride;1153074 wrote: I was hesitant to continue reading this thread after the original post. I'm glad I continued to read the other posts. I was educated today. I hope my post did not offend you?

oscar;1153273 wrote: I hope my post did not offend you?


No, oscar...............your post did not offend me. I had a problem with some of AA grumpys thoughts on his initial post on this thread.

along-for-the-ride;1153811 wrote: No, oscar...............your post did not offend me. I had a problem with some of AA grumpys thoughts on his initial post on this thread. Yes i agree as some offended me also. His knowledge of why Africa has it's problems seems biased and un-educated.

Everyone has a choice...to get involved or not to get involved. ....to watch comic relief / children in need or NOT to watch. Not everyone likes to give to charities.....as it happens I do ! It's a free world for some of us but not everyone (sad to say). I feel saddened by the original post but hope the link below will 'enlighten' anyone that does not know what Comic Relief supports......



By Issue | Comic relief

Am I right in recalling that pantoandy also posted in support of the BNP....?

Excellent replies from oscar and especially Rapunzel. Well done.

Every nation has its shameful side, and pantoandy is the shameful side of the English. My apologies to the rest of the world.

it appears that ive upset some people on the FG.

i do give to charity but those who support those in this country not those that support relief agencies abroad.

my post was not intended to offend but to bring to the fore just how much we give away to africa via RND And what our government gives away and thats just us .

what about the other millions that pour into africa every day from around the world yet they come back for more this is what gets up my jumper.

why isnt this aid being moinitored why after all the years of giving isnt the country self sufficiant.

why does sir scruffy and co come on the cadge every year for RND and why should we have to put our hand in our pocket.

this post was in no way racist just asking the question no one seems botherd or dares to ask WHY ARE WE POURING MONEY DOWN THE BOTTOMLESS AFRICAN SINK

as to the reply its for the children this is what they want to brainwash you in to believing so you donate to RND.

personally i will keep my money in my pocket but charity does begin at home here in the uk with the old needing heat babies and other people needing medical equiptment in our hospitals homes for the homeless not for refugees who dont belong here why isnt the money being poured in to better hospitals more prisons etc etc look to your own needy first before you look abroad

pantoandy;1154268 wrote: it appears that ive upset some people on the FG.

i do give to charity but those who support those in this country not those that support relief agencies abroad.

my post was not intended to offend but to bring to the fore just how much we give away to africa via RND And what our government gives away and thats just us .

what about the other millions that pour into africa every day from around the world yet they come back for more this is what gets up my jumper.

why isnt this aid being moinitored why after all the years of giving isnt the country self sufficiant.

why does sir scruffy and co come on the cadge every year for RND and why should we have to put our hand in our pocket.

this post was in no way racist just asking the question no one seems botherd or dares to ask WHY ARE WE POURING MONEY DOWN THE BOTTOMLESS AFRICAN SINK

as to the reply its for the children this is what they want to brainwash you in to believing so you donate to RND.

personally i will keep my money in my pocket but charity does begin at home here in the uk with the old needing heat babies and other people needing medical equiptment in our hospitals homes for the homeless not for refugees who dont belong here why isnt the money being poured in to better hospitals more prisons etc etc look to your own needy first before you look abroad


Andy it would take me far to long to explain and you probably wouldn't be interested but one of the main reasons that they are for-ever needing aid, is because of corrupt governments in Africa. The agencys supply the food, water, medical relief etc but in the past, it doesn't always get to the people it's intended for. They carry on fund raising to get what they CAN through. The Issue is with their leaders and governments not the people themselves.

With global warming, to ignore Africa would be for the worlds rich to cause mass genocide. Within 20 years, the entire population would be wiped out by disease, draught and famine. We can not cause mass genocide. It's called wealth re-distribution.

When you have seen two little children who have absolutely nothing in their life, their 'cooker' is a whole in the ground with some branches across it. No hope of an education to get out of their because there are no schools, no pay for the teachers, no bricks to build one with. Why should they live like that just because they happen to be born in the wrong part of the world? Is it their fault? Should we just turn our back and leave them to die horribly from famine and disease Andy?

pantoandy;1152206 wrote: bah humbug its your every ranting grumps here.

my daughter brought home a newsletter today from school reminding us of that terrible day when sir scruffy geldof and his cronies are joined by celebs with nothing better to do and go on the cadge for red nose day.

if we are not inundated with collection bags and tv adverts for the various charitys we are bombarded on the bbc by do gooders scrounging on behalf of africans

half of which are over here now the cheeky b******s are asking us to feed the rest of the family at home.

how much more of our money do we have to keep pouring down the bottomless african sink ?

think about it how much money have we poured into india or africa ?

enough to get the country back on its feet yet they still hold out the begging bowl and ask for more yet they still keep breeding kids when they know they cannot afford to feed them.

at the minute aids and other disease is rife in africa good because dont you think its natures way of trying to get the population down ? theres just too many mouths to feed.

have you also noticed how they always show crying african childen find the skinnyest child in the village make them cry and cleverly show us that image

to appeal to our oh the poor thing side before going on the earole to ask for cash.

do something silly for red nose day and keep your cash in your pocket .

dont pledge dont give dont wear the silly red nose because they,ll be back next year and the year after that you,ll be feeding africa for the rest of your life.

alternativly if you must donate send them a packet of mates condoms

AAG


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I read this thread and wanted to share that my country is penalizing charitable donations JUST to fund our bailout!!!

News results for charitable donations obama

Just look and think about what is going to happen when the tax credits are cut. (what will be lost in long run ...see below)



Also I could not find where America was asking for payments from Africa for seeds etc......???



America's generous aid to Africa



By Stephen Evans

BBC North America business correspondent









There is a smug view in Europe that the United States is particularly mean when it comes to helping poor countries. Whatever list you make of generosity to those less fortunate than themselves, the Americans will be near the bottom of it.

But it's not quite as simple as that - and certainly not the way the Americans see it.



“ There's no question that there's a search for America's role in the world and for its heart and soul in how it relates to the world. 

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Columbia University



It's true that United States "official development assistance" is less than 0.2% of its gross national product (way below that of Luxembourg, Holland, Denmark, Norway and Sweden, all of which exceed the 0.7% target set at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992).



But when non-governmental generosity is included, the US moves up the list - not to the top, but way above the bottom.

Private aid

Americans will tell you that they are generous but in different ways.





According to Carol Adelman, who was one of the top officials in the American aid effort, the measure used by many in the global community to gauge a country's generosity only counts government foreign aid "and the United States has for many centuries given a lot of private aid overseas".



She calculates that US businesses give $2.8bn every year; American charities give $6.6bn; the country's colleges give scholarships to foreign students worth $1.3bn.

And this last way of helping, runs the argument, is particularly effective on the old premise that the best way to cure hunger is not to give food, but to teach people how to grow it.

It's Dr Adelman's contention, moreover, that this aid is much more effective than government aid which may get skimmed by bureaucrats.

Open door policy

On top of that, America does not exhibit the xenophobia evident throughout much of the rest of the developed world.



“ America is these communities - people on every street corner who are writing cheques, giving millions and millions of dollars 

Rev Herb Lusk



In Europe the door to the poor is locked; in America, it's true the door is guarded but it is open to many more people, particularly from Latin America.

And this means that huge sums are remitted to poor countries by immigrants to the United States, and this too is effective because it's direct people-to-people aid

"It's going directly to them to start up businesses, buy medicines, build clinics, build schools, buy food", says Dr Adelman.

Churches also give generously. It's true that they donate bibles and religious instruction - but also medicines and agricultural advice which have no theology.

Church aid

Talk to the Rev Herb Lusk of the Greater Exodus Baptist Church in Philadelphia who has launched a campaign to help Aids victims in Africa, a campaign endorsed by President Bush who called Herb Lusk a "social entrepreneur who can make things happen".

"You can't look at America and look at what the State Department gives and say that's how much America gives," Rev Lusk told the BBC.





"America is these communities - people on every street corner who are writing cheques, who are giving millions and millions of dollars".

Herb Lusk is not pastor to a people overflowing with money yet they dig deep.

"My church gives 10% of its income to Africa. The problem is a problem that has to be solved not by governments but by people - people giving to people."

Americans do not give like other people do.

They don't assume the government knows best and leave generosity to politicians and officials.



The figures do not show America as the world's most generous people, but nor do they show Americans as the meanest.

Change of mood

And whatever the statistics say, there does seem to be a change of mood in the country, a retreat from a harsh isolation where the world could go hang.

Professor Jeffrey Sachs who runs the Earth Institute at Columbia University thinks his country's government needs to do much, much more - but the change is coming.

"There's no question that there's a search for America's role in the world and for its heart and soul in how it relates to the world," he told the BBC. "There's a lot of anxiety; a lot of confusion - and openness right now to consider the peaceful and development approaches to the world."

BTS;1155576 wrote: I read this thread and wanted to share that my country is penalizing charitable donations JUST to fund our bailout!!!

News results for charitable donations obama

Just look and think about what is going to happen when the tax credits are cut. (what will be lost in long run ...see below)



Also I could not find where America was asking for payments from Africa for seeds etc......???



America's generous aid to Africa



By Stephen Evans

BBC North America business correspondent









There is a smug view in Europe that the United States is particularly mean when it comes to helping poor countries. Whatever list you make of generosity to those less fortunate than themselves, the Americans will be near the bottom of it.

But it's not quite as simple as that - and certainly not the way the Americans see it.



“ There's no question that there's a search for America's role in the world and for its heart and soul in how it relates to the world. 

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Columbia University



It's true that United States "official development assistance" is less than 0.2% of its gross national product (way below that of Luxembourg, Holland, Denmark, Norway and Sweden, all of which exceed the 0.7% target set at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992).



But when non-governmental generosity is included, the US moves up the list - not to the top, but way above the bottom.

Private aid

Americans will tell you that they are generous but in different ways.





According to Carol Adelman, who was one of the top officials in the American aid effort, the measure used by many in the global community to gauge a country's generosity only counts government foreign aid "and the United States has for many centuries given a lot of private aid overseas".



She calculates that US businesses give $2.8bn every year; American charities give $6.6bn; the country's colleges give scholarships to foreign students worth $1.3bn.

And this last way of helping, runs the argument, is particularly effective on the old premise that the best way to cure hunger is not to give food, but to teach people how to grow it.

It's Dr Adelman's contention, moreover, that this aid is much more effective than government aid which may get skimmed by bureaucrats.

Open door policy

On top of that, America does not exhibit the xenophobia evident throughout much of the rest of the developed world.



“ America is these communities - people on every street corner who are writing cheques, giving millions and millions of dollars 

Rev Herb Lusk



In Europe the door to the poor is locked; in America, it's true the door is guarded but it is open to many more people, particularly from Latin America.

And this means that huge sums are remitted to poor countries by immigrants to the United States, and this too is effective because it's direct people-to-people aid

"It's going directly to them to start up businesses, buy medicines, build clinics, build schools, buy food", says Dr Adelman.

Churches also give generously. It's true that they donate bibles and religious instruction - but also medicines and agricultural advice which have no theology.

Church aid

Talk to the Rev Herb Lusk of the Greater Exodus Baptist Church in Philadelphia who has launched a campaign to help Aids victims in Africa, a campaign endorsed by President Bush who called Herb Lusk a "social entrepreneur who can make things happen".

"You can't look at America and look at what the State Department gives and say that's how much America gives," Rev Lusk told the BBC.





"America is these communities - people on every street corner who are writing cheques, who are giving millions and millions of dollars".

Herb Lusk is not pastor to a people overflowing with money yet they dig deep.

"My church gives 10% of its income to Africa. The problem is a problem that has to be solved not by governments but by people - people giving to people."

Americans do not give like other people do.

They don't assume the government knows best and leave generosity to politicians and officials.



The figures do not show America as the world's most generous people, but nor do they show Americans as the meanest.

Change of mood

And whatever the statistics say, there does seem to be a change of mood in the country, a retreat from a harsh isolation where the world could go hang.

Professor Jeffrey Sachs who runs the Earth Institute at Columbia University thinks his country's government needs to do much, much more - but the change is coming.

"There's no question that there's a search for America's role in the world and for its heart and soul in how it relates to the world," he told the BBC. "There's a lot of anxiety; a lot of confusion - and openness right now to consider the peaceful and development approaches to the world."


I've been doing some googling re: America's contribution to famine relief in Africa as certainly the US does their share. This is exactly the point i was making at the beginning of the thread. I have no idea how famine relief is advertised in the States but it appears you contribute as much as us. It is the way in which Britain raises funds that annoys me. It is an excuse for faded tv personalities to revive a flagging career. I suspect given the calibre of an average British celebrity that the objective, ie putting food in a starving childs mouth, is beyond them.

oscar;1154480 wrote: Andy it would take me far to long to explain and you probably wouldn't be interested but one of the main reasons that they are for-ever needing aid, is because of corrupt governments in Africa. The agencys supply the food, water, medical relief etc but in the past, it doesn't always get to the people it's intended for. They carry on fund raising to get what they CAN through. The Issue is with their leaders and governments not the people themselves.

With global warming, to ignore Africa would be for the worlds rich to cause mass genocide. Within 20 years, the entire population would be wiped out by disease, draught and famine. We can not cause mass genocide. It's called wealth re-distribution.

When you have seen two little children who have absolutely nothing in their life, their 'cooker' is a whole in the ground with some branches across it. No hope of an education to get out of their because there are no schools, no pay for the teachers, no bricks to build one with. Why should they live like that just because they happen to be born in the wrong part of the world? Is it their fault? Should we just turn our back and leave them to die horribly from famine and disease Andy?


which goes back to my original question why isnt this aid being monitored why isnt it getting past a corrupt african government and to the needy?

why has this gone on for long and why isnt africa self sufficiant after all the money thats been poured in to it and where has this aid gone ??

is it time to temporaily pull the plug on african aid untill this has been rectified

or will we just keep giving to the starving not knowing if our £1 donation will actually reach them ?

so FG readers before you slate me and i do admit my original post was strong

i was asking a serious question although i do not donate to RND personally as i do not believe in donating abroad but that is only my personal opinion

to which i am entitled but would gladly give for projects here in the uk.

pantoandy;1155946 wrote: which goes back to my original question why isnt this aid being monitored why isnt it getting past a corrupt african government and to the needy?

why has this gone on for long and why isnt africa self sufficiant after all the money thats been poured in to it and where has this aid gone ??

is it time to temporaily pull the plug on african aid untill this has been rectified

or will we just keep giving to the starving not knowing if our £1 donation will actually reach them ?

so FG readers before you slate me and i do admit my original post was strong

i was asking a serious question although i do not donate to RND personally as i do not believe in donating abroad but that is only my personal opinion

to which i am entitled but would gladly give for projects here in the uk.


Good point and it is the corrupt governments that are mostkly to blame. You only have to look at mugabe as an example. We can't moniter the aid and distribution precisely as the governments would simply not allow that kind of scrutiny. If other governments were to begin scrutiny of Africa's governments, it would result in a blocade and no aid getting to the people who need it at all.

It's a little like my filling my peanut feeders with peanuts for the sparrows every day. I know all to weell that before the sparrows get a look in, the robbing bastard squirrels will take first pick. If i stop the peanuts totally, only the sparrows will suffer. Same as these governments, if you stop aid completely, only the starving will suffer not the fat cats at the top. A little like our banking chiefs.

So what do you do? See mass genoicide throigh starvation because their governments don't play ball fairly?