ForumGarden

As you know my little haggis botherer, I cancelled my Labour party membership just over a year ago.

I still haven't renewed yet dispite the begging letters. Then i was all over-come by the Local Tory but in a Posh Tory Totty type way.

Over the past week, I decided that i have to make my mind up once and for all what with the General Election coming up.

I have been googling all week determined to convince myself and one of the Parties i have googled much is 'The Respect Party'.

I like their policies and today my hand was poised on click on 'Submit membership'.

Please help me Sporran features and talk some sense into me before i am lost in the wilderness for-ever.

oscar;1162804 wrote: As you know my little haggis botherer, I cancelled my Labour party membership just over a year ago.

I still haven't renewed yet dispite the begging letters. Then i was all over-come by the Local Tory but in a Posh Tory Totty type way.

Over the past week, I decided that i have to make my mind up once and for all what with the General Election coming up.

I have been googling all week determined to convince myself and one of the Parties i have googled much is 'The Respect Party'.

I like their policies and today my hand was poised on click on 'Submit membership'.

Please help me Sporran features and talk some sense into me before i am lost in the wilderness for-ever.


Gorgeous George! He'm be going nowhere - after Big Brother I lost all "Respect" for him.

Bryn Mawr;1162906 wrote: Gorgeous George! He'm be going nowhere - after Big Brother I lost all "Respect" for him. Now you have hit the nail on the head re: Gorgeous George and my predicament Bryn. I like the look of the Party and their policies especially re: Israel. It's that BB apearence that comes back to haunt me time and time again. I think he is very down to earth and a good speaker to boot but why oh why did he do that routine on BB with Rula Lenska? I wonder if he has any idea of the damage that did for him?

YouTube - George Galloway Destroys Himself :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

You want me to be the cat :wah::wah::wah:

Chezzie;1162922 wrote: YouTube - George Galloway Destroys Himself :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

You want me to be the cat :wah::wah::wah: Your Chezzness.. I can't even bear to click on it let alone look at it again :wah:

oscar;1162923 wrote: Your Chezzness.. I can't even bear to click on it let alone look at it again :wah:


Dare ya :sneaky: purrrrr purrrrrrrr

Chezzie;1162924 wrote: Dare ya :sneaky: purrrrr purrrrrrrr NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Really... what a twit he was doing that? 'The Respect Party' seems to have a lot going for them policey wise and i like the look of them but the thought of that catsuit :yh_rotfl

oscar;1162804 wrote: As you know my little haggis botherer, I cancelled my Labour party membership just over a year ago.

I still haven't renewed yet dispite the begging letters. Then i was all over-come by the Local Tory but in a Posh Tory Totty type way.

Over the past week, I decided that i have to make my mind up once and for all what with the General Election coming up.

I have been googling all week determined to convince myself and one of the Parties i have googled much is 'The Respect Party'.

I like their policies and today my hand was poised on click on 'Submit membership'.

Please help me Sporran features and talk some sense into me before i am lost in the wilderness for-ever.


I've always voted fo any party that wants proportional representation. Our political system is so skewed that we never have a government that actually reflects the way people actually vote. 2/3rd of the voters don't want labour just as 2/3rds didn't want thatcher. the first thing both malor parties do when elected is gerrymander the electoral boundaries, neither support it as it means neither will ever get a clear majority to form a government.

We have it for the scottish parliament elections and it has made a considerable difference. even the tories now support it as without it they would have nop seats at all. labout would till be in power without it and we would be ruled by a kind of labour mafia as we have been for too long. It scares politicians **** less because it puts control in the hands of the electorate.

respect is a personal vehicle for George Galloway, without him it will fall apart and his character is such he is incapable imo of creating a party structure that will last after he loses interest. allegations of corruption follow him everywhere-I was in Dundee when he was there and I suspect he is a very clever man.

used to be a joke in Dundee that the only difference between tory councillors and labour ones is that the tories were stupid enough to get caught out.

gmc;1163045 wrote: scares politicians **** less because it puts control in the hands of the electorate.

respect is a personal vehicle for George Galloway, without him it will fall apart and his character is such he is incapable imo of creating a party structure that will last after he loses interest. allegations of corruption follow him everywhere-I was in Dundee when he was there and I suspect he is a very clever man.

used to be a joke in Dundee that the only difference between tory councillors and labour ones is that the tories were stupid enough to get caught out.


So do you think the Respect Party is making enough inroads into the electorate and worth joining?

The one issue i have with Labour that would sway my vote for His wonderfullness is the ridiculous and laughable regime, they call the police. That is one department that needs a complete over-haul. Not just for people like myself and what happened to me but also to give officers back some respectability and a chance to use common sense and not chase hard text book targets. The Tories seem to be well ahead on this issue and have made several very good statements over police policy under a Tory Government. However, even though the Tories seem to be recognising that this policing is a huge issue with the people of this country, It's not enough for me to vote for them on that one issue alone.

Do you think that George Galloway can over-come the rumours of back-handers from Sadam for one, and his humiliating appearence on BB to actually take this Party to a higher level? I don't want to contribute funds to a dead donkey.

oscar;1163269 wrote: So do you think the Respect Party is making enough inroads into the electorate and worth joining?

The one issue i have with Labour that would sway my vote for His wonderfullness is the ridiculous and laughable regime, they call the police. That is one department that needs a complete over-haul. Not just for people like myself and what happened to me but also to give officers back some respectability and a chance to use common sense and not chase hard text book targets. The Tories seem to be well ahead on this issue and have made several very good statements over police policy under a Tory Government. However, even though the Tories seem to be recognising that this policing is a huge issue with the people of this country, It's not enough for me to vote for them on that one issue alone.

Do you think that George Galloway can over-come the rumours of back-handers from Sadam for one, and his humiliating appearence on BB to actually take this Party to a higher level? I don't want to contribute funds to a dead donkey.


Without him it would fall apart and as such has little future. The sobriquet gorgeous by the way comes form his conviction that women find him irresistible. It's not just allegations of corruption that follow him around. An articulate charming sleazeball is still a sleazeball. Parties where there is a supremely dominant leader just do not survive beyond their leaving, especially they tend to get rid of those with the strength of character to stand up to them. It's one of the ironies that the best leaders do not surround themselves with yes men and allow free discussion and sharing of opinions yet we think a strong leader is one that doesn't allow anyone to argue with them. The better ones will leave rather than put up with it so you end up with a collection of arse kissers that can't cope without their leader and there is no one capable of taking their place when they go. Just look at the tories after thatcher and labour now. Once they lose the next election it will be years before they hold office again.

I've always voted for any party that wants proportional representation.




We finally got it in Scotland and it has changed then political landscape it would do the same for UK elections. All the arguments against -weak fractious coalition govt etc etc would allow minority parties to have too much say are red herrings-the alternative is a a government with less than a third of the country supporting it-we had that under thatcher and we have it now all due in part to the way electoral boundaries are shifted. Over the last thirty years we have moved from paliamentary government to cabinet government to the point where the PM acts like a president and our MP's have forgotten he rules with the consent of parliament and they don't have to just do as they are told.

For a while we had the Scottish socialist workers party that was making inroads with a charismatic leader that seemed prepared to stand on principle-they for instance they all just took as their salary the equivalent of the average wage in scotland-don't know if they till do. Like all left wing parties they fell apart spending more time infighting and arguing about doctrine and other issues-exhibiting what Lenin famously calls the infantile disorder which is a lovely term cos politicians tend to behave like big kids at times stamping their feet and throwing the toys out the pram and demand everybody plays the game their way.

Respect won't get anywhere until we have proportional representation and even then people will use it as a stick to frighten the big parties with. That's not a reason mnot to vite or join them though. If everybody thinks things won;'t change then thy never will.

being scots I'm in a very political environment from you-it's not right wing parties like the BNP or ukip that are the protest vote it tends to be left wing ones. I really don't know what will happen next-one thing for ure if the tories get back in and once again we are being ruled by a party whose policies we reject wholesale the SNP might win ther referendum-maggie thatcher was the best thing that happened to the SNP.

gmc;1163606 wrote:

being scots I'm in a very political environment from you-it's not right wing parties like the BNP or ukip that are the protest vote it tends to be left wing ones. I really don't know what will happen next-one thing for ure if the tories get back in and once again we are being ruled by a party whose policies we reject wholesale the SNP might win ther referendum-maggie thatcher was the best thing that happened to the SNP.
I can't really argue with anything you have said here.

I think the shock win by the BNP in Sevenoaks in Kent was more of an indication as to how the country feels right now, more than the pundits want to let on. I also think that the country is at a loss of having just a choice of Labour or Tory and of course, we all remember the Thatcher years and no-body wants to return to that any more than they want new Labour and our PC world to thrive. Cameron coming out publically some weeks ago and stating he admires Thatcher and wishes to emulate her if he gets in, must be a certain no-no on the part of votors. We also have the issue where the Tory's have said they will back GB's policy on taxing the rich. There was an article in the Mail very recently saying this could cost him the election. I think it was 'Ken Clarke' who said it. I think this election will see more people turning to alternative parties just out of desperation in the main leaders. I think it would be folly for me to join the Respect Party at this stage. Mr O is of the opinion of 'Better the devil you know' but like me he wants to see an over-haul of policing and I don't think that issue is a major player right now with Labour. I will have to google some more before i make my mind up.

oscar;1163631 wrote: I can't really argue with anything you have said here.

I think the shock win by the BNP in Sevenoaks in Kent was more of an indication as to how the country feels right now, more than the pundits want to let on. I also think that the country is at a loss of having just a choice of Labour or Tory and of course, we all remember the Thatcher years and no-body wants to return to that any more than they want new Labour and our PC world to thrive. Cameron coming out publically some weeks ago and stating he admires Thatcher and wishes to emulate her if he gets in, must be a certain no-no on the part of votors. We also have the issue where the Tory's have said they will back GB's policy on taxing the rich. There was an article in the Mail very recently saying this could cost him the election. I think it was 'Ken Clarke' who said it. I think this election will see more people turning to alternative parties just out of desperation in the main leaders. I think it would be folly for me to join the Respect Party at this stage. Mr O is of the opinion of 'Better the devil you know' but like me he wants to see an over-haul of policing and I don't think that issue is a major player right now with Labour. I will have to google some more before i make my mind up.


Labour don't tax the rich. Their policies have hit people on low to middle incomes more than any other (remember the removal of the 10% rate?) they have also turned a blind eye to all the offshore devices used by companies and individuals to avoid paying tax and raided the savings and pension funds of ordinary savers with great glee. It seems the really rich are best under labour. Indite=rect taxation hits people on lower incomes disproportionately, GB is overly fond of thos as well as well as means tested benefits that make it counter-productive to be thrifty

gmc;1163662 wrote: Labour don't tax the rich. Their policies have hit people on low to middle incomes more than any other (remember the removal of the 10% rate?) they have also turned a blind eye to all the offshore devices used by companies and individuals to avoid paying tax and raided the savings and pension funds of ordinary savers with great glee. It seems the really rich are best under labour. Indite=rect taxation hits people on lower incomes disproportionately, GB is overly fond of thos as well as well as means tested benefits that make it counter-productive to be thrifty Frankly, I am pissed off with the lot of them. I have just spent 3 hrs on my phone talking to BNP leaders about taking some votes off the Labour numpty in my own constituancy. One of them wants to meet me asap. The dire situation in this country is making people look to alternative Parties however extreme. I thought i would at least have the curtosy to listen to what they had to say.

gmc;1163662 wrote: Labour don't tax the rich. Their policies have hit people on low to middle incomes more than any other (remember the removal of the 10% rate?) they have also turned a blind eye to all the offshore devices used by companies and individuals to avoid paying tax and raided the savings and pension funds of ordinary savers with great glee. It seems the really rich are best under labour. Indite=rect taxation hits people on lower incomes disproportionately, GB is overly fond of thos as well as well as means tested benefits that make it counter-productive to be thrifty
As you know, I have been recieving 'stuff' most of the day. If you want to answer this one by pm.... It might be better but i'd be interested in your view of this.

What do you think of UAF? My local MP is on their list of supporters.

oscar;1163954 wrote: As you know, I have been recieving 'stuff' most of the day. If you want to answer this one by pm.... It might be better but i'd be interested in your view of this.

What do you think of UAF? My local MP is on their list of supporters.


No strong feelings either way. The religious extremists are fascists in their own way if you take the meaning of the word to be "oppressive", "intolerant", "chauvinist", "genocidal", "dictatorial", "racist", or "aggressive" – . The words they use may be different but the meaning and intent is the same.

In my experience left wing politicians and those who see themselves as the "intellectual" left are some of the most amoral people I have ever met. While bleeding over the ills of the ordinary working man they see nothing wrong with sticking their hands in the till or using their position to help their mates. On one level they are incredibly patronising believing they have the solutions to all our ills-gordon brown exhibits the classic control freakery of someone who thinks they know better than everybody while unable to see the obvious flaws in his actions. It's the mind numbing disappointment of tony blair and new labour that is getting to people.

Far left far right where they meet there is not a whole lot of difference. That some of the BNP are little better than modern day nazis is true but like the nazis seem attractive until you grasp where it can lead.

On the other hand religious fundamentalists are every bit as bad as any fascist or nazi so why not form UARE-unite against religious extremism or would that just be seen as anti-muslim? You worry about the BNP being racist but what are muslim or christian fundamentalists if not simple bigots racist against anyone not of their religion? If your MP was consistent he would be just as outspoken about those who call for sharia law and jihad. They want the same as the BNP, social turmoil and a chance to take control. Both would be delighted if anti muslim riots broke out on the streets.

YouTube - Tomorrow Belongs To Me

Nice tune interesting words. written by two jews for the film version of cabaret, saw it described somewhere as the best three minute explanation for the rise of the nazis.

Or they could be the words to inspire any oppressed people anywhere or any group out to take control. Have a look at some of the other videos, the content is quite startling-I find it so anyway.

I'm scots remember so a British" national party is perceived as the same as an English national party. They have sod all chance up here.

gmc;1164016 wrote: No strong feelings either way. The religious extremists are fascists in their own way if you take the meaning of the word to be "oppressive", "intolerant", "chauvinist", "genocidal", "dictatorial", "racist", or "aggressive" – . The words they use may be different but the meaning and intent is the same.

In my experience left wing politicians and those who see themselves as the "intellectual" left are some of the most amoral people I have ever met. While bleeding over the ills of the ordinary working man they see nothing wrong with sticking their hands in the till or using their position to help their mates. On one level they are incredibly patronising believing they have the solutions to all our ills-gordon brown exhibits the classic control freakery of someone who thinks they know better than everybody while unable to see the obvious flaws in his actions. It's the mind numbing disappointment of tony blair and new labour that is getting to people.

Far left far right where they meet there is not a whole lot of difference. That some of the BNP are little better than modern day nazis is true but like the nazis seem attractive until you grasp where it can lead.

On the other hand religious fundamentalists are every bit as bad as any fascist or nazi so why not form UARE-unite against religious extremism or would that just be seen as anti-muslim? You worry about the BNP being racist but what are muslim or christian fundamentalists if not simple bigots racist against anyone not of their religion? If your MP was consistent he would be just as outspoken about those who call for sharia law and jihad. They want the same as the BNP, social turmoil and a chance to take control. Both would be delighted if anti muslim riots broke out on the streets.

YouTube - Tomorrow Belongs To Me

Nice tune interesting words. written by two jews for the film version of cabaret, saw it described somewhere as the best three minute explanation for the rise of the nazis.

Or they could be the words to inspire any oppressed people anywhere or any group out to take control. Have a look at some of the other videos, the content is quite startling-I find it so anyway.

I'm scots remember so a British" national party is perceived as the same as an English national party. They have sod all chance up here.


What i have found from my own research today is that the UAF calls for the suppression and banning of a registered political Party..... be it, the BNP. It calls into question the very dempcratic process by which this country has been governed for centuries.

UAF is a Labour Party sponsered group who attack the property and BNP supporters to try to intimidate them. As you say, how is that different from extremism of any kind?

Weather they like it or not, the BNP is a bona fide political party registered with the electoral commission and stands candidates in legitimate elections in Britain.

There are 109 BNP councils to date and an elected member of the GLA.

The website that lists the names of MP's has the usual suspects, i.e. Diane Abbot but I was quite put out to find that my local MP is a supporter of the UAF and is on the list.

That is a list of Labour and Tory MP's who are basically saying they will not stand for an independant party and will do anything to stamp it out.

Makes you think does it not?

oscar;1164052 wrote: What i have found from my own research today is that the UAF calls for the suppression and banning of a registered political Party..... be it, the BNP. It calls into question the very dempcratic process by which this country has been governed for centuries.

UAF is a Labour Party sponsered group who attack the property and BNP supporters to try to intimidate them. As you say, how is that different from extremism of any kind?

Weather they like it or not, the BNP is a bona fide political party registered with the electoral commission and stands candidates in legitimate elections in Britain.

There are 109 BNP councils to date and an elected member of the GLA.

The website that lists the names of MP's has the usual suspects, i.e. Diane Abbot but I was quite put out to find that my local MP is a supporter of the UAF and is on the list.

That is a list of Labour and Tory MP's who are basically saying they will not stand for an independant party and will do anything to stamp it out.

Makes you think does it not?


As a member of the labour party how come you didn't know all that? I have thought about it (why not thunk rather than thought). I find most of these guys that support the extremes usually haven't (thought that is) and tend to believe the last brochure they read. The UAF mentality is much the same as the BNP mentality. I think they hark back to idealised glory days when people went off to Spain to fight the fascists and see themselves engaged in some kind of cosmic battle against the forces of evil.

When you engage any of them-from other sides you can tell when you are making them think because they start getting angry and repeating themselves on a rising tone of voice as they try to get through to you before they give up on you as an idiot too thick to understand or hit you depending on their disposition.

Those on the left are a bit more pseudo intellectual and like to quote lots of facts to back up their arguments-like your labour MP possibly. The thing is they don't actually understand statistics but are impressed by them and a lot of them make them up. If you realise they are making them up you can have fun inventing your own. Being really bright they think they can fool you but it doesn't occur to them that you can be inventive as well- You can have real fun sometimes. The average man in britain has less than two legs, factually correct but hardly a basis for planning the production of prosthetic legs. Remember that the next time someone quotes a statistic as if it ends the argument.

Those on the right tend to believe what they are told. I actually know the sole UKIP member in this part of scotland. I pointed out one day that the bulk of our trade is with europe and he was adamant it was only 14% his source being the last brochure he had read. We went to a computer pulled up the govt stats and his face was a picture. He was an otherwise intelligent bloke so you do kind of despair.

Official Monster Raving Loony Party - Homepage

You know it makes sense.

The labour party have gone away from the grass roots support, they just don't believe it yet.

gmc;1164347 wrote: As a member of the labour party how come you didn't know all that? I have thought about it (why not thunk rather than thought). I find most of these guys that support the extremes usually haven't (thought that is) and tend to believe the last brochure they read. The UAF mentality is much the same as the BNP mentality. I think they hark back to idealised glory days when people went off to Spain to fight the fascists and see themselves engaged in some kind of cosmic battle against the forces of evil.



Official Monster Raving Loony Party - Homepage

You know it makes sense.

The labour party have gone away from the grass roots support, they just don't believe it yet.


As a member of the Labour Party I was very aware of the UAF but i must confess that i paid little attention to them or when i did it was from the Labour party perspective. The difference here is that where i would normally google all my statistics and imfo from the Labour Party, this time i was googling from the BNP perspective.

I know exactly what you mean about making statistics up and it's quite funny that some people don't even dare to challenge you. I remember being at a police/residents surgery one night with some policespokesidiot banging on about youth crime. When it was my turn to speak, I just made up two sets of statistics off the top of my head. I told them that, one, 63% of youths signing 'good behaviour contracts' immediately re-offended and i told them that recent figures showed youth crime had risen by 27% in the last year in our area. No-one challenged me at all and some were even nodding wisely in agreement with me. When we got outside, Mr O said he had no idea of these stats i quoted and i said 'No and neither have I but it sounded bloody good didn't it?':yh_rotfl

I have gone through every one of the BNP's policies and there are a few that I don't agree with 100% i.e. Bringing back the death penalty but then there are many policies of the Labour and Tory party that i don't agree with either.

I once told you of who my fathers former neighbour was, if you remember???

The UAF are as sinfull as the shower who tried to stop his party.

The Monster Raving Looney party has some good policies. E.g... I never put my Teddy Bears in a cupboard as it's against the Teddy Bear Law. If i stood for them locally, I'd be laughed out of town.