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Obama Supports Treaty Outlawing Gun Possession



As Lou Dobbs notes here, Obama is in favor of the ratifying CIFTA, the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms. On its face, the treaty sounds reasonable because it would “prevent, combat, and eradicate the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials” (emphasis added). However, upon reading the bill we discover the following:

Stressing the need, in peace processes and post-conflict situations, to achieve effective control of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials in order to prevent their entry into the illicit market.

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Obama has promised Mexican President Felipe Calderon that he would urge the Senate to take up CIFTA. He is doing this under the cover of the drug cartel violence in Mexico. Obama and Calderon quoted a statistic echoed by the corporate media that 90% of the weapons seized in Mexican raids were purchased from U.S. gun shops and a reason why the U.S. needs to ratify this treaty. In fact, this is a lie — only a mere 17% of guns found at Mexico crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.

CIFTA would bury the Second Amendment under “pertinent resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly.” It would criminalize ammunition reloading (defined as explosives manufacture) and gun assembly (including firearm kits and presumably breaking down weapons for cleaning or transport).

Language contained in the CIFTA treaty insists it respects “the principles of sovereignty, nonintervention, and the juridical equality of states.” Not mentioned is the fact the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties has a superior rank to national laws. If the CIFTA treaty is ratified without exception, it would kill U.S. sovereignty and lead the way to destroying the Second Amendment.

It should be noted that only the Senate needs to ratify the treaty. Article II, section 2, of the Constitution states that the president “shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur.”

The United States was one of the first signatories to CIFTA in November, 1997. The Convention was transmitted to the Senate in June 1998 and to this day awaits the Senate’s advice and consent. 29 of the 34 OAS member states have ratified CIFTA. Only the US, Canada, the Dominican Republic, Jamaica and St. Vincent & Grenadines have yet to do so.

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90% of the weapons seized in Mexican raids were purchased from U.S. gun shops and a reason why the U.S. needs to ratify this treaty. In fact, this is a lie — only a mere 17% of guns found at Mexico crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.




How do you know ?





CIFTA would bury the Second Amendment under “pertinent resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly




You are implying they intend to doop us ?





Language contained in the CIFTA treaty insists it respects “the principles of sovereignty, nonintervention, and the juridical equality of states.




You know different ?





It should be noted that only the Senate needs to ratify the treaty.




They want to get reelected. Not gonna happen.

Nomad;1183208 wrote: How do you know ?


While 90 percent of the guns traced to the U.S. actually originated in the United States, the percent traced to the U.S. is only about 17 percent of the total number of guns reaching Mexico.

The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S. - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

Nomad;1183208 wrote:



You are implying they intend to doop us ?






Absolutely.

Nomad;1183208 wrote:



You know different ?






Language and actions are too different things.

TruthBringer;1183213 wrote: Absolutely.


American gun owners are not relinquishing their firearms.

Obama does not want to take Americans guns away.

The Senate would not vote to take Americans guns away.

I would support stricter control on assault rifles.

The rest is just paranoia.

Nomad;1183215 wrote: American gun owners are not relinquishing their firearms.

Obama does not want to take Americans guns away.

The Senate would not vote to take Americans guns away.

I would support stricter control on assault rifles.

The rest is just paranoia.


This is only the beginning of what they are actually planning to do.

TruthBringer;1183217 wrote: This is only the beginning of what they are actually planning to do.


I disagree.

Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading



Remember CANDIDATE Barack Obama? The guy who “wasn’t going to take away our guns”?

Well, guess what?

Less than 100 days into his administration, he’s never met a gun he didn’t hate.

Obama went to Mexico, whined about the United States, and bemoaned (before the whole world) the fact that he didn’t have the political power to take away our semi-automatics. Nevertheless, that didn’t keep him from pushing additional restrictions on American gun owners.

It’s called the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials. To be sure, this imponderable title masks a really nasty piece of work.

First of all, when the treaty purports to ban the “illicit” manufacture of firearms, what does that mean?

1. “Illicit manufacturing” of firearms is defined as “assembly of firearms [or] ammunition … without a license….”

Hence, reloading ammunition — or putting together a lawful firearm from a kit — is clearly “illicit manufacturing.”

Modifying a firearm in any way would surely be “illicit manufacturing.” And, while it would be a stretch, assembling a firearm after cleaning it could, in any plain reading of the words, come within the screwy definition of “illicit manufacturing.”

2. “Firearm” has a similarly questionable definition.

“[A]ny other weapon” is a “firearm,” according to the treaty — and the term “weapon” is nowhere defined.

So, is a BB gun a “firearm”? Probably.

A toy gun? Possibly.

A pistol grip or firing pin? Probably. And who knows what else.

If these provisions (and others) become the law of the land, the Obama administration could have a heyday in enforcing them. Consider some of the other provisions in the treaty:

* Banning reloading. In Article IV of the treaty, countries commit to adopting “necessary legislative or other measures” to criminalize illicit manufacturing and trafficking in firearms.

Remember that “illicit manufacturing” includes reloading and modifying or assembling a firearm in any way. This would mean that the Obama administration could promulgate regulations banning reloading on the basis of this treaty — just as it is currently circumventing Congress to write legislation taxing greenhouse gases.

* Banning gun clubs. Article IV goes on to state that the criminalized acts should include “association or conspiracy” in connection with said offenses — which is arguably a term broad enough to allow, by regulation, the criminalization of entire pro-gun organizations or gun clubs, based on the facilities which they provide their membership.

* Extraditing US gun dealers. Article V requires each party to “adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offenses it has established in accordance with this Convention” under a variety of circumstances.

We know that Mexico is blaming U.S. gun dealers for the fact that its streets are flowing with blood. And we know it is possible for Mexico to define offenses “committed in its territory” in a very broad way. And we know that we have an extradition obligation under Article XIX of the proposed treaty. So we know that Mexico could try to use the treaty to demand to extradition of American gun dealers.

Under Article XXIX, if Mexico demands the extradition of a lawful American gun dealer, the U.S. would be required to resolve the dispute through “other means of peaceful settlement.”

Does anyone want to risk twenty years in a sweltering Mexican jail on the proposition that the Obama administration would apply this provision in a pro-gun manner?

* Microstamping. Article VI requires “appropriate markings” on firearms. And, it is not inconceivable that this provision could be used to require microstamping of firearms and/or ammunition — a requirement which is clearly intended to impose specifications which are not technologically possible or which are possible only at a prohibitively expensive cost.

* Gun registration. Article XI requires the maintenance of any records, for a “reasonable time,” that the government determines to be necessary to trace firearms. This provision would almost certainly repeal portions of McClure-Volkmer and could arguably be used to require a national registry or database.

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ACTION: Write your Senators and urge them to oppose the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials.

Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading

No offence but I stopped reading here





Obama went to Mexico, whined about the United States, and bemoaned




Your opinion in my opinion is skewed by a distorted view and nothing I say will alter that.

Its been a very long day and have no desire to banter at the moment.

Peace brother.

Nomad;1183224 wrote: No offence but I stopped reading here





Your opinion in my opinion is skewed by a distorted view and nothing I say will alter that.

Its been a very long day and have no desire to banter at the moment.

Peace brother.


Good day Sir.

whined about the United States, and bemoaned


I'd like to see the video as to make the assumption as to whether he "whined" and "bemoaned".

Nomad;1183224 wrote: No offence but I stopped reading here





Your opinion in my opinion is skewed by a distorted view and nothing I say will alter that.

Its been a very long day and have no desire to banter at the moment.

Peace brother.




your fired

farmer giles;1183269 wrote: your fired




:wah:



Bless you !

People “Running” Into Gun Shows, Panic Buying Ammo



Wednesday, May 6, 2009



A San Francisco Chronicle report about a gun show in Daly City notes that when the doors were opened, people came running in and immediately started panic buying ammo, again emphasizing fears about shortages and the Obama gun ban agenda.

“Everybody’s panic buying,” said a wholesale ammunition dealer, who also requested anonymity. “When the doors opened (on Saturday), people we’re running in,” according to the report.

Ammo a popular purchase at Cow Palace gun show

Gun dealers across the country are reporting a virtual run on ammo as prices soar.

Semiautomatic firearms “are going fast,” according to a dealer quoted in the report. “People are afraid the Obama administration will ban assault weapons.”

Gun owners are also concerned that Obama, despite claiming before the election that he wouldn’t target the second amendment, recently bemoaned the fact that he didn’t have the political power to ban semi-automatic weapons, falsely blaming U.S. gun shops for the violence in Mexico.

Obama is also pushing a treaty that would ban “illicit” manufacture of firearms and reloading.

According to Gun Owners of America,”Illicit manufacturing includes reloading and modifying or assembling a firearm in any way. This would mean that the Obama administration could promulgate regulations banning reloading on the basis of this treaty — just as it is currently circumventing Congress to write legislation taxing greenhouse gases.”

Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading

Despite Obama promising that he was not interested in going after the second amendment before his election, one of his first actions was to appoint the rabidly anti-gun Eric Holder as his Attorney General.

Rabidly Anti-gun Executive Takes His Oath Of Office

The leaked Obama gun ban list would make millions of Americans criminals for owning weapons such certain types of rifles or pistols. Anti-gun legislation has found its way into stimulus and other unrelated bills as pork barrel. The first steps of the Obama administration with regard to gun control have resulted in record firearm and ammunition purchases across the country.

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Nomad;1183215 wrote: American gun owners are not relinquishing their firearms.

Obama does not want to take Americans guns away.

The Senate would not vote to take Americans guns away.

I would support stricter control on assault rifles.

The rest is just paranoia.


I agree with this post.