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i have not had a drink now for 35 days ,in this time i have had so called friends say come on have a drink one wont hurt you i have had people go and buy large jack daniels and hide them in my diet coke ,i have had people put pints of cider in my hand

why is it so important to other people that i drink ,they no i want to give up,they know i need to give up

it seems to me as if they know they cant give up and they cant stand the thought that i can

i have had people come up to me and say you are much more fun when you are drunk and i think to myself actually so are you much more fun when i'm drunk no wonder i drank if i had boring people like you talking to me

so why does it bother people and what do you think of this link

Why Falling Off the Wagon Isn't Fatal - TIME

Good for you..

I spent years fibbing and saying I was taking medication that I couldnt mix with alcohol because even if you say you are driving these people still say ...'go on one wont kill you':-5

I do believe that when someone gives up or just doesnt drink it holds a mirror up to thier own problems and they just cant face it.

This is the same thing as a smoker who gives up or if you announce 'Im on a diet' suddenly everyone buys cake or sweets and its that same old line 'go on just one'

These are the people who have the problem they just dont want to look in that mirror and see it.

after not even going to a pub in weeks ,i heard all the usual bollox that went on in the town so and so fought with so and so,this guy slept with this girl,someone i know well got drunk and got abusive to someone else i'm better off out of it and away from them ,at least if an ******* starts on fg i can just put her/him

on ignore :)

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i was never addicted to drink ,i was addicted to having a good time i'm a fantastic drunk life and soul of the party ,a real live wire ,when i'm alone and sober i'm like a dog chasing its tail alone with enough personal grief to bring down a t-rex ,its a place i have used booze to escape from but i'm facing my demons now,i'm looking them in the eye and dealing with my pain ,its not easy but if i want to see my daughter get married and give her away and want to see my grandchildren its a cross i will have to learn to bear



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farmer giles;1213581 wrote: i have not had a drink now for 35 days ,in this time i have had so called friends say come on have a drink one wont hurt you i have had people go and buy large jack daniels and hide them in my diet coke ,i have had people put pints of cider in my hand



why is it so important to other people that i drink ,they no i want to give up,they know i need to give up



it seems to me as if they know they cant give up and they cant stand the thought that i can



i have had people come up to me and say you are much more fun when you are drunk and i think to myself actually so are you much more fun when i'm drunk no wonder i drank if i had boring people like you talking to me



so why does it bother people and what do you think of this link



Why Falling Off the Wagon Isn't Fatal - TIME




Time to take another baby step and seperate yourself from harms way.

Its a big world full of exciting things. Other than pubbing I mean.

Straight up...your chances of survival are degraded because your setting yourself up for failure.

Think about ways you can set yourself up for success.

Im in your corner.

Jim, they are just jealous that you are doing what deep down inside them, they would like to have the courage and will power to do. You are to be admired mate, and respected for turning your life around, when others haven't got the balls !

Years ago, my father (who was a heavy smoker) decided to give up smoking - true he had a kind of helping hand in that he had a severe sore throat and bad chest because of an infection. He just could not face smoking a cigarette for over a week. He decided to give it a go, as he had done the really worst bit already!

He was a pharmacist and about a month into his 'giving up' my dad had a rep. call into his shop - from a well reputed national company - the chap was offered a cup of coffee whilst dad gave him his monthly order. This chap offered my dad a cigarette, which dad declined, saying he was into his 5th week of not smoking ! Instead of congratulating him and encouraging him, the chap offered him a cigarette again saying ' go on, you know you would love to have one !' Dad refused once again and warned him that if he offered a cigarette to him again, he would take it and grind it out on the floor ! 'No........... you wouldn't do that Mr. D. you have one!' and he offered the packet of cigarettes again. Dad took one and the chap said with a big smile on his face 'There I knew you really wanted one !' to which dad replied ' I did warn you, but you just can't accept that somebody actually wants to give up smoking, when you can't !' He made to put the cigarette in his mouth, then threw it to the floor and ground it into a mess.

'Oh Mr. D. you can't do that !' my dad glared at the guy and said 'I just did !' then added 'Would you please leave my shop now. I will phone the order through. Do not call at my shop again, and I will not accept any further visits from your company, unless it is from a different rep. and I shall be writing to them to tell them that. Good day to you'

The rep. was totally 'gobsmacked' and collected his case up, apologised profusely, and quickly left the shop!

That chap never did call again - it was a different rep.

I would imagine that he would think twice before even considering doing something like that again! :wah:

You stick to your guns Jim, and all power to your elbow :guitarist :-6 :-4

P.S. My dad never smoked another cigarette from then, and with the money he reckoned he had saved by not smoking, he bought a parcel of land at the back of our house (which was attached to the shop) to extend the garden. He called it his 'tobacco patch' :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Nomad;1213591 wrote: Time to take another baby step and seperate yourself from harms way.

Its a big world full of exciting things. Other than pubbing I mean.

Straight up...your chances of survival are degraded because your setting yourself up for failure.

Think about ways you can set yourself up for success.

Im in your corner.


nomad i have no normal friends every single person i know is a major drinker



in england its a get drunk and fall down puking culture if you are not drinking there is something wrong with you

every time i go out its go on have a drink jim come on mate ,why the hell does it have to be like that :-5:-5

its like they want you to fail

sorry rant over ,its like my whole life as i knew it is gone friends ,social life ,the only people i talk to are the dog walker lot and to be honest its painfull

Do you have AA over there? It's a great place to go that has people who have been there; done that. They have get togethers that don't involve alcohol. Most of them are just as afraid of being in situations where they have to socialize without alcohol. It's a great place to go where your new friends won't set you up to fail.

If you go to a pub, immediately tell the bartender to refuse when people want to buy you alcohol. If your friends make comments like one won't hurt you, you are more fun drunk, etc., tell them you'd rather be boring and sober, than drunk and dead.

My own battle with drink is somewhat different. After my friends find out how much I can hold and still function, and that I seldom carry much money, they quit encouraging me to have a drink.

My problem these days is, I'll see a beer commercial on TV, or maybe drinking in a movie. That sometimes triggers an overpowering urge for a drink. I developed a taste for beer at a very young age. Somewhere around 4 or 5. Strangely enough, my dad and mom didn't drink.

Peg;1213600 wrote: Do you have AA over there? It's a great place to go that has people who have been there; done that. They have get togethers that don't involve alcohol. Most of them are just as afraid of being in situations where they have to socialize without alcohol. It's a great place to go where your new friends won't set you up to fail.

If you go to a pub, immediately tell the bartender to refuse when people want to buy you alcohol. If your friends make comments like one won't hurt you, you are more fun drunk, etc., tell them you'd rather be boring and sober, than drunk and dead.


hoppy;1213601 wrote: My own battle with drink is somewhat different. After my friends find out how much I can hold and still function, and that I seldom carry much money, they quit encouraging me to have a drink.

My problem these days is, I'll see a beer commercial on TV, or maybe drinking in a movie. That sometimes triggers an overpowering urge for a drink. I developed a taste for beer at a very young age. Somewhere around 4 or 5. Strangely enough, my dad and mom didn't drink.


thanks for your replies ,i have been told by someone to watch a BBC show called rain in my heart ,i have started a thread there ,please watch it give me your thoughts

interesting read folks



i wish koanhead the mergerer was here i probably could of posted all my drinking threads on one but no matter carry on



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farmer giles;1213595 wrote: nomad i have no normal friends every single person i know is a major drinker



in england its a get drunk and fall down puking culture if you are not drinking there is something wrong with you

every time i go out its go on have a drink jim come on mate ,why the hell does it have to be like that :-5:-5

its like they want you to fail

sorry rant over ,its like my whole life as i knew it is gone friends ,social life ,the only people i talk to are the dog walker lot and to be honest its painfull


My neighbors would love you...all non drinkers but very fun peeps. They do on occasion have some beer/wine but very quiet they are. You must come over...nobody will bother you, we can dip our feet in the pool..

I know I've been there...you quit drinking and the world notices...but you go on...your better off. If they really love you..your friends...they will support you and not give you any crap. For the friends who keep egging you on to drink...they are not your friends. They just want a fun time and I can imagine soemthing they won't remember the next day.

qsducks;1213787 wrote: My neighbors would love you...all non drinkers but very fun peeps. They do on occasion have some beer/wine but very quiet they are. You must come over...nobody will bother you, we can dip our feet in the pool..

I know I've been there...you quit drinking and the world notices...but you go on...your better off. If they really love you..your friends...they will support you and not give you any crap. For the friends who keep egging you on to drink...they are not your friends. They just want a fun time and I can imagine soemthing they won't remember the next day.


thanks duckzilla ,that is right real friends would not want you to turn yellow and have a horrible slow death would they ?? i'm not missing the no drinking but i am missing the laugh

farmer giles;1213793 wrote: thanks duckzilla ,that is right real friends would not want you to turn yellow and have a horrible slow death would they ?? i'm not missing the no drinking but i am missing the laugh


the laugh is there..you have to make it happen...If your a funny guy and I see it, they will too. I think your very funny. How would I know if your swinging back a guart of gin a day? I just see you posting everyday & having a grand time...go with what makes you happy:) Knocking off the drinking does help though...your children & Suzy will notice it.

You're doing great jimbutt! After 5 1/2 years clean I still get urges to drink. It's hard. So many commercials...every store you go too...it's right there in your face. I learned to do other things than go to a pub. At restaraunts if they try to seat me near the bar, I ask them to seat me somewhere else. I don't go into bars. If someone is having a big get together, I ask if they will be serving alcohol. I keep myself away from it...I keep myself "safe" from as much temptation as I can. If someone even tries to offer me a drink, I tell them "you know I've quit...don't do it again". Just set your goals...like walking your daughter down the aisle...and know what you're doing is for the right reasons. You want to live.

shelbell;1213802 wrote: You're doing great jimbutt! After 5 1/2 years clean I still get urges to drink. It's hard. So many commercials...every store you go too...it's right there in your face. I learned to do other things than go to a pub. At restaraunts if they try to seat me near the bar, I ask them to seat me somewhere else. I don't go into bars. If someone is having a big get together, I ask if they will be serving alcohol. I keep myself away from it...I keep myself "safe" from as much temptation as I can. If someone even tries to offer me a drink, I tell them "you know I've quit...don't do it again". Just set your goals...like walking your daughter down the aisle...and know what you're doing is for the right reasons. You want to live.


Am clapping hands shelbell...right on target.

qsducks;1213805 wrote: Am clapping hands shelbell...right on target.


Thanks ducky...of course it only took me 4 detoxes and 3 treatment centers to learn this!! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Jim, you need to spread your wings and find a new group of friends mate. Those so-called friends of yours are ruining their livers just to have a laugh! You being you would soon galvanise a new group of 'non-drunks' into having a good fun evening of laughs. Ere there'd be a new audience for your witty banter - you must have sufficient material to last a decade ! I know it's old hat, but there must be clubs or societies that have something that you would be interested in. Clubs that you could take Suzy to as well. Places that don't need drink to give them a good time. People shouldn't need drink in order to have a fun time ffs. It's not always a fun time either, well not afterwards any way !! Gawd I hate to see people throwing up all over the place - I'm afraid it is a real turn-off, and I tend to avoid their company. Some people don't know when to stop, and they look so stupid when they are not in control of their movement or speech, and it is very embarassing to be in their company. :rolleyes: :-5

G#Gill;1213808 wrote: Jim, you need to spread your wings and find a new group of friends mate. Those so-called friends of yours are ruining their livers just to have a laugh! You being you would soon galvanise a new group of 'non-drunks' into having a good fun evening of laughs. Ere there'd be a new audience for your witty banter - you must have sufficient material to last a decade ! I know it's old hat, but there must be clubs or societies that have something that you would be interested in. Clubs that you could take Suzy to as well. Places that don't need drink to give them a good time. People shouldn't need drink in order to have a fun time ffs. It's not always a fun time either, well not afterwards any way !! Gawd I hate to see people throwing up all over the place - I'm afraid it is a real turn-off, and I tend to avoid their company. Some people don't know when to stop, and they look so stupid when they are not in control of their movement or speech, and it is very embarassing to be in their company. :rolleyes: :-5


Right on Gill...you never realize just how stupid drunk people are until you get sober! You get sick of them really fast.

shelbell;1213802 wrote: You're doing great jimbutt! After 5 1/2 years clean I still get urges to drink. It's hard. So many commercials...every store you go too...it's right there in your face. I learned to do other things than go to a pub. At restaraunts if they try to seat me near the bar, I ask them to seat me somewhere else. I don't go into bars. If someone is having a big get together, I ask if they will be serving alcohol. I keep myself away from it...I keep myself "safe" from as much temptation as I can. If someone even tries to offer me a drink, I tell them "you know I've quit...don't do it again". Just set your goals...like walking your daughter down the aisle...and know what you're doing is for the right reasons. You want to live.


thanks shell butthead

:-6:-6

G#Gill;1213808 wrote: Jim, you need to spread your wings and find a new group of friends mate. Those so-called friends of yours are ruining their livers just to have a laugh! You being you would soon galvanise a new group of 'non-drunks' into having a good fun evening of laughs. Ere there'd be a new audience for your witty banter - you must have sufficient material to last a decade ! I know it's old hat, but there must be clubs or societies that have something that you would be interested in. Clubs that you could take Suzy to as well. Places that don't need drink to give them a good time. People shouldn't need drink in order to have a fun time ffs. It's not always a fun time either, well not afterwards any way !! Gawd I hate to see people throwing up all over the place - I'm afraid it is a real turn-off, and I tend to avoid their company. Some people don't know when to stop, and they look so stupid when they are not in control of their movement or speech, and it is very embarassing to be in their company. :rolleyes: :-5


good points gill i'm doing ok and i am really going off my drinking friends quick

shelbell;1213811 wrote: Right on Gill...you never realize just how stupid drunk people are until you get sober! You get sick of them really fast.


that is the best thing you have ever posted :-6:-6

shelbell;1213807 wrote: Thanks ducky...of course it only took me 4 detoxes and 3 treatment centers to learn this!! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


but its going through you family to really get it...they love you.

shelbell;1213807 wrote: Thanks ducky...of course it only took me 4 detoxes and 3 treatment centers to learn this!! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


I take my hat off to those who are strong enough, determined enough, and courageous enough to overcome any addiction. They really are special people. :-6

the trouble i had was there was no point me drinking two pints



five pints or even ten pints i just felt normal i had to drink 20 -30 pints to get drunk and i used to binge drink big time on cider which is pretty bad stuff to shove down your blowhole

my liver just could not take it

farmer giles;1213817 wrote: that is the best thing you have ever posted :-6:-6


It's a topic I'm very passionate about...and by sharing, you have no idea just how many people you may have helped.

shelbell;1213811 wrote: Right on Gill...you never realize just how stupid drunk people are until you get sober! You get sick of them really fast.


I've been going to parties with them for the last 4 yrs...it's old...they are boring. I refuse to this day to join in...its not funy to watch peeps you know act like comple ass*****. any time to the day if it's hot and summery time..catch me at my pool with my kidlets or catch me here on FG.

shelbell;1213833 wrote: It's a topic I'm very passionate about...and by sharing, you have no idea just how many people you may have helped.


watch the moving vids i posted on the rain in my heart thread if that dont put you off drinking nothing will

qsducks;1213834 wrote: I've been going to parties with them for the last 4 yrs...it's old...they are boring. I refuse to this day to join in...its not funy to watch peeps you know act like comple ass*****. any time to the day if it's hot and summery time..catch me at my pool with my kidlets or catch me here on FG.


You're so right ducky...what once seemed so fun and funny turns into disgust. It's always better spending time with the family or sober friends.

farmer giles;1213837 wrote: watch the moving vids i posted on the rain in my heart thread if that dont put you off drinking nothing will


I'll hafta go find it.

shelbell;1213866 wrote: I'll hafta go find it.


well dont look here you just looked here it was not here then duh :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

farmer giles;1213867 wrote: well dont look here you just looked here it was not here then duh :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


You certainly can be quite the jimbutthead now can't you?! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

shelbell;1213874 wrote: You certainly can be quite the jimbutthead now can't you?! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


yup you know me too well :yh_rotfl

Very wise observations here.



I believe you can be sober and funny. Look at me. :wah:

along-for-the-ride;1213897 wrote: Very wise observations here.



I believe you can be sober and funny. Look at me. :wah:


without beer goggles :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl



just kidding aftr ,have you ever been a big drinker

alcoholism an illness yes or no

it is causing a bit of controversy on another forum thoughts please



The seemingly never ending desire to drink... I believe is an illness.

The inability to stop drinking after 1-2 drinks... I believe is an illness.

Using 'I have an illness' as an excuse to drink... I believe is just an excuse.

as one guy said

farmer giles;1214091 wrote: alcoholism an illness yes or no

it is causing a bit of controversy on another forum thoughts please



The seemingly never ending desire to drink... I believe is an illness.

The inability to stop drinking after 1-2 drinks... I believe is an illness.

Using 'I have an illness' as an excuse to drink... I believe is just an excuse.

as one guy said


It IS a disease. Heredity can play a HUGE role in this, but is not always the case.

You don't control it...it controls you.

The inability to stop...it's control over you.

Using ANYTHING as an excuse...is exactly that...an excuse. It's an excuse that is letting everyone else know that they are not ready or willing to get clean. They just haven't hit their own personal "bottom" yet, what ever that may be.

shelbell;1214127 wrote: It IS a disease. Heredity can play a HUGE role in this, but is not always the case.

You don't control it...it controls you.

The inability to stop...it's control over you.

Using ANYTHING as an excuse...is exactly that...an excuse. It's an excuse that is letting everyone else know that they are not ready or willing to get clean. They just haven't hit their own personal "bottom" yet, what ever that may be.


my mums dad was an alcaholic so was my mom and my brother that died and so is my sister

ummm you could be on to something and maybe that is why all day i have just wanted to get drunk very drunk:-5:-5:-5

but i wont ever again ever

farmer giles;1214131 wrote: my mums dad was an alcaholic so was my mom and my brother that died and so is my sister

ummm you could be on to something and maybe that is why all day i have just wanted to get drunk very drunk:-5:-5:-5

but i wont ever again ever


Ok buddy, I'll share with you a thing they taught us in AA and in treatment...I'm sure you've heard it before, "One day at a time". Don't worry about saying you'll never drink again...that is a huge commitment and in the beginning can seem insurmountable. Just tell yourself, "Just for today, I chose not to drink". It's a realistic goal you can set for yourself everyday you wake up...and at the end of the day you can look at your accomplishment as a goal reached. It feels good. After this long, it's now your mind craving it, not your body.

shelbell;1214127 wrote: It IS a disease. Heredity can play a HUGE role in this, but is not always the case.

You don't control it...it controls you.

The inability to stop...it's control over you.

Using ANYTHING as an excuse...is exactly that...an excuse. It's an excuse that is letting everyone else know that they are not ready or willing to get clean. They just haven't hit their own personal "bottom" yet, what ever that may be.


Oh yes, heredity is a major player in this game of drinking. Just got an a really emotional em from my cousin concerning his sister...he gave me her phone #...I called her & got two idiots who can't figure out where she is...I was so pissed off. We had always been tight and than she left for Oregan 10 yrs ago...have talked to her off & on....all I want to do is give her the hug she needs...she is in rehab but on a off level...she just needs to show up & be there & talk and listen. Been there, done it.

my men o paws



Post Acute Withdrawl - Relapse Prevention Specialists - TLC The Living Center

farmer giles;1214091 wrote: alcoholism an illness yes or no

it is causing a bit of controversy on another forum thoughts please



The seemingly never ending desire to drink... I believe is an illness.

The inability to stop drinking after 1-2 drinks... I believe is an illness.

Using 'I have an illness' as an excuse to drink... I believe is just an excuse.

as one guy said


Very definitely an illness.

Just remember - whilst the body is strong, the mind is stronger so be strong for your own sake and the sake of your family and friends :-6

Bryn Mawr;1214297 wrote: Very definitely an illness.

Just remember - whilst the body is strong, the mind is stronger so be strong for your own sake and the sake of your family and friends :-6


thanks bryn :)

Bryn Mawr;1214297 wrote: Very definitely an illness.

Just remember - whilst the body is strong, the mind is stronger so be strong for your own sake and the sake of your family and friends :-6 How does it become an illness?

Is being a chain smoker an illness?

What starts this 'illness' or is the word 'illness' an excuse for lack of self control and an inability to face up to the real world?

When you get drunk for the very first time, is it an 'illness' that has made you drink too much?

What turns a person from an occassional drinker into a alcoholic? Is it the fact that they don't like the person they are?

Bryn Mawr;1214297 wrote: Very definitely an illness.

Just remember - whilst the body is strong, the mind is stronger so be strong for your own sake and the sake of your family and friends :-6


very interesting point bryn

does the fact that although its hard i have stopped drinking mean i have cured myself

i know some people cant stop smoking ,i have heard of people say there is an addictive gene that makes some people get addicted more easily

Kevin T. McCauley, M.D.

1. Is addiction a disease? What are the arguments for and against this notion?

People often disagree with the idea of calling addiction a disease in the same way

we call conditions like diabetes a disease. The behavior of addicts is frustrating, ugly -

even criminal. How can driving drunk be a symptom of a disease?

The best argument against calling addiction a disease states that addicts make the

choice to use drugs and that their inability to stop is simply immature and irresponsible

behavior. Diabetics, for instance, do not have a choice about whether or not to have a

high blood sugar. These arguments make sense, and are often embraced for their intuitive

appeal alone.

When doctors use the Disease Model of Illness to think about a disease, they think

of a specific physical defect in some organ or physiologic system of the body. That

defect, once discovered, provides a causal explanation for the patient’s symptoms and

points the way to treatment. With diseases like diabetes, the defect is easy to understand.

With brain disorders however, it is not that simple.

Our understanding of brain disorders has not kept pace with our understanding of

other diseases - like diabetes. A big part of our difficulty in calling addiction a “disease

stems from the fact that no one could ever find the defect in the brain that caused

addiction. Without a physical brain defect to point to, addiction never earned the status of

“disease like diabetes did. The addict’s symptoms were assumed to be due to their

intrinsic badness – their immaturity, their irresponsibility, or worse.

But guess what? In the last ten years we have learned a lot more about the brain.

We know what the physical defect of addiction is and where in the brain it is. Addiction

is a defect in the hedonic system, or the system that perceives pleasure, which is deep in

the part of the brain that handles basic survival. Because of this defect, the addict

unconsciously thinks of the drug as life itself. A beer is not just a beer anymore – the

addict needs the beer to get through life and when the beer is unavailable they crave it.

While it is true that the addict may have a choice in whether or not to use drugs,

they do not have the choice over whether or not to crave. If craving gets bad enough,

even the strongest-willed, most mature and most responsible person will return to using

drugs. No brain can ignore that survival imperative. One of the big reasons we have

difficulty calling addiction a disease is our inability to grasp the true nature of craving.

Craving is a very real mental suffering the addict endures when they come to the point in

their addiction when they are using drugs even when they do not want to.

If you are in medical school and you write, “addiction is not a disease on one of

your exams – you will flunk. In medicine, we now know that the addict’s brain really is

different than normal brains, and from a physiologic standpoint we now know how it is

different. This explains a lot of the symptoms we see in full-blown addiction and helps us

develop better, more effective treatments to help the addict recover. It also means that

addiction fits the Disease Model of illness as well - if not better - than many other

diseases.

Like say, diabetes.

For more info go to The Institute For Addiction Study





thoughts please bryn,shellbutt ducky or anyone wanting to talk without getting into a slanging match

farmer giles;1213899 wrote: without beer goggles :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl



just kidding aftr ,have you ever been a big drinker


In the 70's we lived on an army base in Germany. Everytime my ex-hubby and I would visit another couple in their apartment, we were offered drinks. Of booze. we had parties...........and we drank. Sometimes more than we should have. So yes, I've been there. Laughing, dancing, chatting, drinking................and the hang-over the next day. We had to some to the point where we said "enough" with the liquor. We still had fun with our friends, but without the booze. Actually, I enjoyed myself more.

Hubby and I may have a cold beer now and then.......but we sure don't feel the need to have it.

along-for-the-ride;1214328 wrote: In the 70's we lived on an army base in Germany. Everytime my ex-hubby and I would visit another couple in their apartment, we were offered drinks. Of booze. we had parties...........and we drank. Sometimes more than we should have. So yes, I've been there. Laughing, dancing, chatting, drinking................and the hang-over the next day. We had to some to the point where we said "enough" with the liquor. We still had fun with our friends, but without the booze. Actually, I enjoyed myself more.

Hubby and I may have a cold beer now and then.......but we sure don't feel the need to have it.


i must say i feel ok

but the feeling of wanting to get drunk and escape is very strong today

maybe tomorrow it will be easier

farmer giles;1214332 wrote: i must say i feel ok

but the feeling of wanting to get drunk and escape is very strong today

maybe tomorrow it will be easier


Stay sober Jimbo, you can do it mate.

I have cut back an awful lot, i did give up all together for a couple of months to lose a gram or two. I like a beer so i have a couple during the week, not every night anymore. I have a few extras on Friday and Saturday evening but nothing like i used to.

I only have a drink at home with the wife or sat at the computer, nothing tonight though. I do feel better i must admit.

I bought a Latte coffee machine and now i am addicted to that instead.

along-for-the-ride;1214328 wrote: In the 70's we lived on an army base in Germany. Everytime my ex-hubby and I would visit another couple in their apartment, we were offered drinks. Of booze. we had parties...........and we drank. Sometimes more than we should have. So yes, I've been there. Laughing, dancing, chatting, drinking................and the hang-over the next day. We had to some to the point where we said "enough" with the liquor. We still had fun with our friends, but without the booze. Actually, I enjoyed myself more.

Hubby and I may have a cold beer now and then.......but we sure don't feel the need to have it.
I'm the same as you. To be honest, i don't like being around drunks but i have my reasons for that and don't want to go down that route.

Barman;1214339 wrote: Stay sober Jimbo, you can do it mate.

I have cut back an awful lot, i did give up all together for a couple of months to lose a gram or two. I like a beer so i have a couple during the week, not every night anymore. I have a few extras on Friday and Saturday evening but nothing like i used to.

I only have a drink at home with the wife or sat at the computer, nothing tonight though. I do feel better i must admit.

I bought a Latte coffee machine and now i am addicted to that instead.


cheers buddy

that button really works i'm enjoying fg tonight first time in ages ;)

oscar;1214303 wrote: How does it become an illness?

Is being a chain smoker an illness?

What starts this 'illness' or is the word 'illness' an excuse for lack of self control and an inability to face up to the real world?

When you get drunk for the very first time, is it an 'illness' that has made you drink too much?

What turns a person from an occassional drinker into a alcoholic? Is it the fact that they don't like the person they are?


It becomes an illness when chemical changes take place in the neuroreceptors of the brain that permanently alter a persons reaction to alcohol.

Alcoholism is not a lack of willpower - functioning alcoholics have the willpower to restrain their addiction and recovering alcoholics have the willpower to control it but they are still alcoholics and will be for the rest of their lives.

You can be a regular drinker and not be an alcoholic - it is not the frequency with which you drink but the bodies reaction to the alcohol.

It is not a psychological condition but a physiological illness.