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"An essential part of every man, with possible exceptions of the pope and William Shatner, doubts the essence of our manhood. By inches, pounds and paychecks, we gauge ourselves - our power over other men and women and their power over us. Are we tough enough? Man enough? The question is the answer: No - not if we still need to ask."

Scott Robb - Esquire magazine

Nomad;1220159 wrote: "An essential part of every man, with possible exceptions of the pope and William Shatner, doubts the essence of our manhood. By inches, pounds and paychecks, we gauge ourselves - our power over other men and women and their power over us. Are we tough enough? Man enough? The question is the answer: No - not if we still need to ask."

Scott Robb - Esquire magazine


hmmmmmmm just another blow to mans ego.

I hope you don't get wrapped up in that Nomad. I always believe if "You" are happy with "You" then your are man or woman enough.

We are who we are, and our happiness will always grow if we accept that.

minks;1220197 wrote: hmmmmmmm just another blow to mans ego.



I hope you don't get wrapped up in that Nomad. I always believe if "You" are happy with "You" then your are man or woman enough.



We are who we are, and our happiness will always grow if we accept that.


Yes but becoming a man is a series of mistakes, bad judgement, foibles and ultimately recognizing character faults so that we can evolve into something better than we once were.

Nothing takes the place of experience.

my manhood is well over 10

















but my boyhood only lasted 8 years :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Nomad;1220200 wrote: Yes but becoming a man is a series of mistakes, bad judgement, foibles and ultimately recognizing character faults so that we can evolve into something better than we once were.

Nothing takes the place of experience.


true enough, so you say by comparing ones self to others is our life measuring stick. I suppose so to some degree. I guess it is human nature to always improve. I just think it should not be that way for everything in ones life. ie.... bigger boobs (women only) why????? Just so you can look better. Pfffft pole some men and see how they feel. I know many who say bigger isn't better.

Just a snippet of thought there.

minks;1220210 wrote: true enough, so you say by comparing ones self to others is our life measuring stick. I suppose so to some degree. I guess it is human nature to always improve. I just think it should not be that way for everything in ones life. ie.... bigger boobs (women only) why????? Just so you can look better. Pfffft pole some men and see how they feel. I know many who say bigger isn't better.



Just a snippet of thought there.


The author is saying it but it has a resonance of truth. Its one of the traps of being a conditioned man. Finding a way to release ourselves from those things instilled in us is the key to becoming a truly free thinker.

Nomad;1220213 wrote: The author is saying it but it has a resonance of truth. Its one of the traps of being a conditioned man. Finding a way to release ourselves from those things instilled in us is the key to becoming a truly free thinker.


Now you are getting too deep my friend.... yikes

You are as free a thinker as you allow yourself to be.

A fine line mind you right? Ie...Ah if I only had the power over my co worker to change this job. versus if only I had the power over my co worker to ruin his life.

Yet in both cases in your own mind you believe this makes you better and righ.

Hmmmmm?

Oh I think I digressed

Midlife crisis Nomad?

Do real men read Esquire ?

Bruv;1220360 wrote: Do real men read Esquire ?




I thought they read Mens Health and filled their heads with suppliments... no wait filled their bodies with suppliments... Oh again I digress.

Nomad;1220200 wrote: Yes but becoming a man is a series of mistakes, bad judgement, foibles and ultimately recognizing character faults so that we can evolve into something better than we once were.

Nothing takes the place of experience.


Nomie, the same applies to being a woman...but I think most women, at least myself, still likes a mans man. Trying to improve one's self is a goal for both sexes, but don't get into the trap of changing yourself to fit the worlds warped vision of what a man should be. IMHO.

real men don't measure in inches.

Nomad;1220200 wrote: Yes but becoming a man is a series of mistakes, bad judgement, foibles and ultimately recognizing character faults so that we can evolve into something better than we once were.

Nothing takes the place of experience.


This might be as good a place as any to insert a favorite quote of mine:

"The deepest secret is that Life is not a process of discovery, but a process of creation. You are not discovering yourself, but creating yourself anew at every moment. Seek therefore, not to find out who you are, instead seek to determine who you want to be."

Neale Donald Walsch

"Yes but becoming a man is a series of mistakes, bad judgement, foibles and ultimately recognizing character faults so that we can evolve into something better than we once were.

Nothing takes the place of experience."

You could also say becoming an adult is a series.......etc."

To me it's not so much about manliness, but being human.

flopstock;1220440 wrote: real men don't measure in inches.
I told my wife that measuring in centimeters was acceptable.

flopstock;1220440 wrote: real men don't measure in inches.


What about women flops? Do they measure a real man in inches? :yh_rotfl

minks;1220210 wrote: Pfffft pole some men and see how they feel. I know many who say bigger isn't better.





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As a high school teacher I'm finding that manhood is slow in coming without another man to show the boy the way.