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Subject: watch this Fw: YouTube - Glenn Beck: Cash For Clunkers is a government scam to gain access to your computer







YouTube - Glenn Beck: Cash For Clunkers is a government scam to gain access to your computer

Bad.

Bad Bad Bad.

Everyone should immediately send this link to their congressman and ask them WTF is this ?

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

All these big brother rights to track people etc etc were introduced under the bush regime. Why were you not bothered about it then?

gmc;1224400 wrote: All these big brother rights to track people etc etc were introduced under the bush regime. Why were you not bothered about it then?


I was. Big time. They didnt consult me.

Nomad;1224402 wrote: I was. Big time. They didnt consult me.


Me either. That don't make 'em right.

but I sent the memo. :-3

Sorry lads but it does stand to reason that every new bit of technology we add to our households is one step closer to having the government in our living rooms.

Fox news again. Look at their own website. I should imagine that their EULA is probably at least as bad . You have to download something to your computer before anyone can use it or get info off it. That's why spyware is such a problem, and that is everwhere on the web. Besides if the government wants info about you that much they will just get it without telling you about it and you are after all one amongst millions they don't have enough computers or people to watch everyone all the time........

I have confidence our government are so completely incompetent they would never be able to monitor everybody properly and if they do someone will post the data and it will get lost or they will spill coffee all over it and wipe the evidence or something equally asinine.

FUBAR;1224558 wrote: Fox news again. Look at their own website. I should imagine that their EULA is probably at least as bad .You would imagine? You base this on ..... ?



It's interesting that you note Fox news and are instantly dismissive, yet don't seem to have any problem with the credibility of the claim. So it seems you're implying that the government can intrude on us as much as it chooses; it's just that Fox news constantly bellyaching about our loss of liberties is tiresome. Is that about it?

Accountable;1224634 wrote: You would imagine? You base this on ..... ?



It's interesting that you note Fox news and are instantly dismissive, yet don't seem to have any problem with the credibility of the claim. So it seems you're implying that the government can intrude on us as much as it chooses; it's just that Fox news constantly bellyaching about our loss of liberties is tiresome. Is that about it?


I am dismissive of this. Google has more information about you and what you do on the net than the government ever had. If the government was that interested in you they would just steal it or demand it from google. Every web site you visit logs your presence how long you are there and what you do, if people are that paranoid they should throw out every bit of modern equipment that can access the net and sit in a cave. Your mobile phone not only monitors your calls and with who but also where you are so throw it away. There are cameras all over the place that watch you and who you are with so this is just another panic about nothing. There is a point reached where so much information and facts are being collected that it becomes impossible to correlate it all

Defense Advisers: U.S. Military has Information Overload Problem - InsideTech.com



The more info governments collect the less they know because their analysts get buried under huge amounts of it. Just google information overload, but do it quietly in case THEY are listening..............:sneaky:

Apathy.

Accountable;1224727 wrote: Apathy.


Much more relaxing than living like this.............





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Seems there are conspiracies about everything and people who are ready to believe it all. I got rid of my tinfoil hat a while back............







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hoppy;1224385 wrote: Very very scary







Subject: watch this Fw: YouTube - Glenn Beck: Cash For Clunkers is a government scam to gain access to your computer















YouTube - Glenn Beck: Cash For Clunkers is a government scam to gain access to your computer
I watched Beck last night and he said the DOT changed the wording.



From Glenn Beck - Current Events & Politics - Glenn Beck: Proof That You Can Affect Change

Apparently, you and I aren't the only ones who thought this was ridiculous. I have some good news — we received a statement today from the DOT and here it is:



"A security warning on the CARS.gov dealer support page that stated computers logged into the system were considered property of the federal government has been removed. We are working to revise the language. The language was posted on the portion of the Web site accessible by car dealers and not the general public."

The blogs had a field day making fun of me — "Oh, that crazy Glenn Beck is at it again!' But apparently, we must have a decent point, otherwise why would the government remove the old statement? Liberal bloggers spent another dateless weekend defending this crap and then the government agreed with us and changed the wording.



Of course, questions remain unanswered: Why did they have that wording in the first place?

Some years ago, there was a big to-do about the gov wanting to put Black Boxes in ALL commercial vehicles.

At the time, it seemed to me like a good idea:

If i'm not doing something wrong, i don't have anything to worry about,

and it would be my proof, POSITIVE, of that fact.

(Y'all probably don't know this, but many drivers run SEVERAL Log Books, in order to skirt the laws about time behind the wheel, as well as speeding, which is why most company trucks have governors that cap max speed.)

Like some of y'all, i too believe our gov is too incompetent to pull off a Big Brother thang, but on an individual basis, where the info is only accessed when necessary, well...

i still can't say i see anything inherently evil about it; what i DO see is a way to make folks responsible for their own behaviour.

i mean, if i choose to break the law, and something horrific happens, i'd better be ready to do the time for the crime, right?

Thoughts?

When you hand over your liberties to another, you need to have a way to take them back if the situation changes. Such is the way with commercial services. You pay them for a service, you tell them what their scope is - what decisions you are willing for them to make for you. If management changes and you don't like the new way of doing business, you fire them - cancel the contract. Then you choose to conduct the service yourself or find another agency to render the service for you.



With the government it is different. You are not making the decision for just yourself, but for the entire society. People who don't want the service get it anyway, like it or not. Once you've given your permission, the gov't can expand that power without your permission. And sure, the current administration might not abuse the power you've given them, but what of the next? The next? The next? There is no contract to cancel. No way to unilaterally step out of the arrangement. You're stuck, for better or worse.

Accountable;1225345 wrote: When you hand over your liberties to another, you need to have a way to take them back if the situation changes. Such is the way with commercial services. You pay them for a service, you tell them what their scope is - what decisions you are willing for them to make for you. If management changes and you don't like the new way of doing business, you fire them - cancel the contract. Then you choose to conduct the service yourself or find another agency to render the service for you.



With the government it is different. You are not making the decision for just yourself, but for the entire society. People who don't want the service get it anyway, like it or not. Once you've given your permission, the gov't can expand that power without your permission. And sure, the current administration might not abuse the power you've given them, but what of the next? The next? The next? There is no contract to cancel. No way to unilaterally step out of the arrangement. You're stuck, for better or worse.


Good point.

Unfortunately, the "bad actors" are, as usual, making it bad for everyone, to the point that is DOES sort of seem like a good idea to have cameras everywhere ~

ever been the victim of a crime? Bet you were glad there WERE cameras, if you were able to use them for the trial... ~

but in a society in which each citizen is responsible for their own actions, you really don't need that type of survellience on the general populace.

SUPER unfortunately, we're slipping into a society that is totally undisciplined, where pretty much anything goes, and it's only considered illegal if you get caught AND convicted.

It's a vicious circle, but you still need some sort of plan for the Bad Actors, AND a way of catching them, that won't leave the conviction up in the air.

In my opinion:



Allowing the government to relieve us of our responsibility to take care of ourselves has encouraged us to take less consideration of others. It's not our fault that we don't have money, it's the insurance, greedy meany rich guys, and businesses gouging customers and underpaying employees. Since not having money is not our fault it loosely translates into good; while someone having money logically translates into bad. You can't do evil against a bad person, so robbing a rich guy is not really wrong, because he probably did something illegal to get it anyway and just got away with it.



We don't have consequences for bad decisions, by and large. We expect the government or the employer to take care of everything. That has spoiled us as adults to the point that we feel entitled to the best of everything with no effort, which we teach to our kids through word and deed.



The answer is NOT in more government intercession. The answer is NEVER more of what got us in a bad situation in the first place. We need to take responsibility for our own behavior, our own decisions, and the consequences of our decisions and behavior, such as our finances, future and health.

Accountable;1226536 wrote: In my opinion:



Allowing the government to relieve us of our responsibility to take care of ourselves has encouraged us to take less consideration of others. It's not our fault that we don't have money, it's the insurance, greedy meany rich guys, and businesses gouging customers and underpaying employees. Since not having money is not our fault it loosely translates into good; while someone having money logically translates into bad. You can't do evil against a bad person, so robbing a rich guy is not really wrong, because he probably did something illegal to get it anyway and just got away with it.



We don't have consequences for bad decisions, by and large. We expect the government or the employer to take care of everything. That has spoiled us as adults to the point that we feel entitled to the best of everything with no effort, which we teach to our kids through word and deed.



The answer is NOT in more government intercession. The answer is NEVER more of what got us in a bad situation in the first place. We need to take responsibility for our own behavior, our own decisions, and the consequences of our decisions and behavior, such as our finances, future and health.


You hit the nail, spot on, with this!

p.s. After thinking about your other post, i'm convinced ~ right now, the gov is still treating us as human beings, but that could change...

And if you watch someone for long enough, they're going to do SOMETHING that isn't right.