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Festival of Dangerous Ideas

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:05 pm
by AussiePam
Sydney is right now hosting, at the Opera House, a Festival of Dangerous Ideas.

Sydney Opera House - FESTIVAL OF DANGEROUS IDEAS

One of the topics to get general newspaper coverage has been a talk by a local muslim leader in favour of polygamy.

Why should polygamy be a crime?

It's understandable that this subject is more "newsworthy" than some other dangerous ideas. I'll try and find some of the other topics and post them too.

My own position on this and - sight unseen - on all the other dangerous ideas, is BRING THEM ON !!! They are the antidote to political correctness, and mental stultification. The day we stop thinking dangerous ideas is the day we might as well refrigerate ourselves like buttery squid ink.

Festival of Dangerous Ideas

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:41 pm
by AussiePam
Topics

Polygamy and Other Islamic Values Are Good For Australia

Keysar Trad

No Human Cure Justifies Animal Experimentation

Denise Russell

Yes to Child Labour, No to The Minimum Wage

Ray Evans

Policing our Minds is the Future

David Mutton

Religion Poisons Everything

Christopher Hitchens

Freedom: The Most Dangerous Idea of All

Germaine Greer



People With Flat Screen TVs Should Stop Whingeing about Capitalism

Oliver Hartwich and Cassandra Wilkinson.

Bring Back Conscription

Rear Admiral Chris Barrie

Does Online Networking Harm Children's Brains?

Baroness Susan Greenfield

By 2075 the Aboriginal Genocide will be Complete

Gary Foley

Why We Enjoy Killing

Jeff Sparrow

IQ2 Debate: Democracy Is Not For Everyone

The Arts Don't Deserve A Place In This Festival

John Carroll, Catherine Deveny and Julian Morrow

Make All Drug Use Legal

Greg Barns, Norm Stamper and Alex Wodek

Australian Stereotypes Betray Our Cultural Identity

Ien Ang, Robyn Archer and Larissa Behrendt.

Dead Aid: Why Aid is Not Working and How There is Another Way For Africa

Dambisa Moyo

Without God We Are Nothing

Cardinal George Pell

The Old Should Pay For Themselves

John Humphreys

Unfit For Life: Genetically Enhance Humanity or Face Extinction

Julian Savulescu

Dangerously Funny!

Casey Bennetto, Jamie Kilstein, Jean Kitson, Paul McCarthy (as Kevin Rudd), Eddie Perfect & Band and Reggie Watts

Festival of Dangerous Ideas

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:54 am
by Raven
I totally agree with you! But have you ever seen the movie v for vendetta? Our governments are becoming alot like that! The resemblance is striking. Our freedoms are becoming more of an illusion day by day.

Festival of Dangerous Ideas

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:15 am
by Rapunzel
AussiePam;1249048 wrote: Sydney is right now hosting, at the Opera House, a Festival of Dangerous Ideas.

Sydney Opera House - FESTIVAL OF DANGEROUS IDEAS

One of the topics to get general newspaper coverage has been a talk by a local muslim leader in favour of polygamy.

Why should polygamy be a crime?

It's understandable that this subject is more "newsworthy" than some other dangerous ideas. I'll try and find some of the other topics and post them too.

My own position on this and - sight unseen - on all the other dangerous ideas, is BRING THEM ON !!! They are the antidote to political correctness, and mental stultification. The day we stop thinking dangerous ideas is the day we might as well refrigerate ourselves like buttery squid ink.


Sounds like a great idea and I agree with you totally - Bring It On! ;) :D

I'm okay with polygamy if both parties or all parties are in agreement when each new partner is introduced. However, why is it always assumed it's men who will have multiple wives? It's only fair if women are also allowed multiple husbands!

However, you then open up a kettle of worms about what happens if any children are born within this multiplicity of relationships. Women would favour their own offspring over those of other wives. And where would the close family bond be or the good role models for the children?

The problem with things like this is that it's alright for the adults to choose what suits them, but the children have no choice and no say in the matter.

It's the same with children of mixed marriages. Maybe not so much nowadays but 20 or 30 years ago a child with one black parent and one white parent would have been teased mercilessly by his/her classmates.

Its always the children who suffer because parents don't recognise that they will have a valid point of view in whatever situation they grow up in.

I still agree with people having the RIGHTS to be polygamous but I think they would need to plan extremely carefully about what would happen to any children born of their unions.

Festival of Dangerous Ideas

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:17 am
by Raven
Rapunzel;1249107 wrote: Sounds like a great idea and I agree with you totally - Bring It On! ;) :D



I'm okay with polygamy if both parties or all parties are in agreement when each new partner is introduced. However, why is it always assumed it's men who will have multiple wives? It's only fair if women are also allowed multiple husbands!



However, you then open up a kettle of worms about what happens if any children are born within this multiplicity of relationships. Women would favour their own offspring over those of other wives. And where would the close family bond be or the good role models for the children?



The problem with things like this is that it's alright for the adults to choose what suits them, but the children have no choice and no say in the matter.



It's the same with children of mixed marriages. Maybe not so much nowadays but 20 or 30 years ago a child with one black parent and one white parent would have been teased mercilessly by his/her classmates.



Its always the children who suffer because parents don't recognise that they will have a valid point of view in whatever situation they grow up in.



I still agree with people having the RIGHTS to be polygamous but I think they would need to plan extremely carefully about what would happen to any children born of their unions.


The Pharohs of ancient Egypt would agree with you.

Festival of Dangerous Ideas

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:48 am
by Nomad
AussiePam;1249048 wrote: Sydney is right now hosting, at the Opera House, a Festival of Dangerous Ideas.



Sydney Opera House - FESTIVAL OF DANGEROUS IDEAS



One of the topics to get general newspaper coverage has been a talk by a local muslim leader in favour of polygamy.



Why should polygamy be a crime?



It's understandable that this subject is more "newsworthy" than some other dangerous ideas. I'll try and find some of the other topics and post them too.



My own position on this and - sight unseen - on all the other dangerous ideas, is BRING THEM ON !!! They are the antidote to political correctness, and mental stultification. The day we stop thinking dangerous ideas is the day we might as well refrigerate ourselves like buttery squid ink.


I cant think of any argument in favor of polygamy being a crime.

I can think of a dozen reasons why it wouldnt be practical for most people but cant sort out why we would want to interfere with what adults choose to do with their own lives. For those that enjoy mandating how others should live, that should be a crime.

Festival of Dangerous Ideas

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:45 pm
by AussiePam
This is the bit of Mr Trad's speech that covers his views on polyandry

"While Islam sanctions polygyny, it does not condone threesomes. Islam also does not permit polyandry, a form of relationship in which a wife takes more than one husband. There are many reasons for this. Some are medical, some relate to paternity. Others pertain to the sexual proclivities of the different genders. The sex therapist Bettina Arndt, promoting her book Sex Diaries, outlined the merits of women saying "yes" more often to sex with their husbands. If Arndt's research is reflective of a greater portion of the population, a monogamous relationship leads to reduced interest in sex among women and a perpetual state of conjugal frustration among men.

If men in monogamous relations are not satiated, by its very nature polyandry creates an overwhelming burden for a woman in long-term relationships."

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One of the many responses in the Sydney Morning Herald noted that Mr Trad is thinking of marriage only in terms of the man's need for lots of sex. The correspondent suggests that statistics show that Australian men do much less than half the housework and that this perhaps should be a good reason for a woman to have several husbands. She has a need for lots of help.

I appreciate the argument but disagree with the conclusion. I think women have more than proved their worth as good, hardworking servants who can be conditioned or if necessary coerced by male brute force into staying good, hardworking servants. Why would any woman want two husbands? You'd end up doing twice the work you do now.

I'm a woman.

Just give me ONE WIFE - PLEASE !!!!



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So far I haven't located too many comments on the other topics - except one rather curious note from a bloke who attended the talk on Religion Poisons Everything.. He had to check his bag, and his cloakroom ticked was apparently numbered 666.

Festival of Dangerous Ideas

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:37 am
by Rapunzel
Very interesting points Pam.

So Mr. Trad just wants lots of sex. Presumably a girlfriend or mistress would want wining and dining, flowers and romance? All he wants is sex! So he can say to any wife 'lay down and open wide' (sorry thats a bit crude, it also sounds like the damn dentist talking!) :wah: Presumably whichever wife he chose would not enjoy the experience as he sounds only as though he wishes to pleasure himself!

Also, everyone has their own make-up of body fluid. Mixing one male and one female's body fluid is fine, but when you have sex with multiple partners you are planting a variety of body fluid types in your own body. They don't mix well, which is how sexually transmitted diseases are created. I'm not overly sure of myself here because this is only what I remember from 'sex-talks' at school, so I don't think we're talking gonorrhea etc., but probably thrush, which can also cause some nasty problems.

"While Islam sanctions polygyny, it does not condone threesomes. Islam also does not permit polyandry, a form of relationship in which a wife takes more than one husband.


I expected no less! :-5 Are Islamic women even considered to be human? Or are they just robots? They are expected to cook, clean, bear children, obey every whimsical command of their lord and master and say nothing. What are they worth? Half a camel? Less?

This isn't about the pros and cons of Polygamy. This is about one selfish bastard who wants 3 dutiful blow up dolls. There is no love involved. No thought of children and their futures. Just a w*nker who will stay a w*nker, despite having 3 wives. :-5

I appreciate the argument but disagree with the conclusion. I think women have more than proved their worth as good, hardworking servants who can be conditioned or if necessary coerced by male brute force into staying good, hardworking servants. Why would any woman want two husbands? You'd end up doing twice the work you do now.

I'm a woman.

Just give me ONE WIFE - PLEASE !!!!


Lol @ Pam! I'll go for that! Can I have one too? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl