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If you've got it don't flaunt it, US Marine tells Aussie women

* By Nadja Hainke

* From: Northern Territory News

* January 06, 2010 7:50AM

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* US Marine criticises Aussie dress standards

* Says: "Leave something to imagination"

* Top End women not impressed

A US Marine Captain has attacked the dress standards of Australian women after a night on the town in Darwin.

Capt John Campbell said the city's women wore too little to attract "nice men" after he spent a night out on Mitchell St, The Northern Territory News reports.

"It's about having standards, ladies," he wrote.

"What are standards? Well, it can begin by dressing in a manner that leaves something to the imagination, to say the least."

The captain's letter to the editor was published in the Northern Territory News yesterday.

It raised eyebrows among many Darwin women, including nightclub dancer Lana Sandic, 19.

"He's got some guts to say that," she said. "Most Territory girls would say 'Put it where the sun doesn't shine'."

But Capt Campbell was adamant. "Ladies have been conned into thinking that just because you have it means you should flaunt it," he wrote.

"Come on ladies, don't send us mixed messages. That's what you do every time you dress with less than nothing on."


Now, before I get to the words he's used and the insult . I would like to know what kind of person (a visitor to the country) would go out of their way to write to a newspaper to insult that country's women? Who does that? Is he wanting to be shipped back home or something?

I cannot believe they let this idiot into the country in the first place!!!

Has he not been able to handle the heat and gone 'troppoe'?

So apparently in the heat of Darwin women are sending mixed messages? who is he to tell us how and what to dress in? Who the hell tells any woman how to dress.

I want to abuse this person but even I'm lost for words.

The audacity!!!

I'm enjoying reading the comments



Mixed messages? Kind of like when you imprison people indefinitely without charge whilst claiming you're bringing them "freedom" The message a short skirt conveys to most people is 'it's damn hot in Darwin', not wanting to talk to/flirt with/sleep with a neanderthal does not contradict that in anyway. Got to be a candidate for tool of the year and we've only just cracked January.

Posted by: g 6:35pm today

Comment 78 of 83

While I can't exactly vouch for the quality of australian women, the yank should keep his comments to himself.

Posted by: donnie of Balmoral 6:34pm today

Comment 77 of 83

Go home and shoot some innocent person yank!

Posted by: frankie of Brisbane 6:29pm today

Comment 76 of 83

Helloooooo Sailor. Probably couldn't cope with the site of the opposite sex after being at sea with all those seamen for so long.

Posted by: Woody of Brisbane 6:23pm today

Comment 75 of 83

Whilst I cannot disagree with the captain I think it is very much a case of 'the pot calling the kettle black'. Our diminishing standards in just about everything ie trashy dressing standards, foul mouthed movies, junk foods, exhorbitant executive incomes, manufactured foul mouthed pop music etc generally emanate out of the US. We buy it and think it's the norm. It isn't!

Posted by: Amid Vats Hod of Ferny Hills 5:55pm today

Comment 74 of 83

I'm in total agreement!! Why should a "good time" include sex? Why can't foreign men visiting Australia (like US servicemen) just have a chat and a cup of coffee instead of temptation/seduction thrown at them?

Posted by: tracey of ipswich 5:49pm today

Comment 73 of 83

Why should we even care about what some bloody yank has to say anyway? Who cares? He's just another big mouthed American

Posted by: aunt pol of qld 4:40pm today

Comment 72 of 83

this us marine captain need to be sent to afghanistan or iraq, he will see plenty of covered women there

Posted by: jpm of country nsw 4:02pm today

Comment 71 of 83

Not surprising really as the Americans are utterly convinced they can teach every other country and culture in the world the right way to do everything. Get a life soldier and keep your opinions to yourself or, as the Brits coined back in WW11, ¿go home yank¿

Posted by: john of cairns 3:50pm today

Comment 70 of 83

I completely agree - whilst I am a female and in my twenties, I like to dress with class and like to gain respect from a man. Men appreciate it and compliment you more.

Posted by: brisvegas girl of Brisbane 3:46pm today

Comment 69 of 83

CQSteve of Rockhampton: Last time I checked, we were equally responsible for making Paris Hilton a celebrity. Australians buy magazines with her face on the cover, watch reality TV shows she stars in, buy her clothes, cosmetics and accessoriesand purchase products she endorses. As for the U.S. officer's comments, he's entitled to them. I'm sure he's going to get a kick in the backside once he's State-side though.

Posted by: Jeff of Sunshine Coast 3:44pm today

Comment 68 of 83

YEAH YEAH YEAH what women wear is ALL about you men isn't it? It's summer in Darwin. Could you consider for a minute the possibility that what they are wearing has nothing to do with YOU and your HUGEEEEE ego as a male. Could your tiny brain comprehend that they don't want to get heat stroke and want to dress for the hot and humid whether? Wearing a skimpy dress when it's really hot and humid is a smart move to keep cool, it is not a personal invitation to you or any other man. GET OVER YOURSELVES MEN.

Posted by: get over yourselves men 3:41pm today

Comment 67 of 83

I spent a week in Miami recently.

Maybe he should direct his scathing horror there!

Posted by: AlisonG of BrisVegas 3:39pm today

Comment 66 of 83

If you want women who cover up in a hot climate then go to a Muslim country. Plenty left for the imagination there!!!

Posted by: Jude of Sunny Coast 3:36pm today

Comment 65 of 83

So who cares what these girls wear? If they're having a good time and not hurting anyone so what? It's none of anyone's business what anyone wears as long as they are not breaking any laws. If the guy can't keep his eyes and hands to himself he should look at his own standards and behaviour instead of blaming anyone else. Why should women be dictated about what they should or shouldn't wear by men like it was in the middle ages. If you've got it flaunt it I say. P.S I work at a mine and wear long pants and hi-vis orange long sleeve shirts all day and to the pub after work and believe me covering up doesn't stop the blokes from being sleazes. Maybe we should all wear burquas?

Posted by: Inigo Montoya of The Real World 3:36pm today

Comment 64 of 83

I agree with him and so do most people I know. Most blokes go out in trousers sleeved shirts and yet gils wear short shorts and halter-neck tops and consequently bare their midrif and thighs. What's with that?

Posted by: Gary Dean of Brisneyland 3:36pm today

Comment 63 of 83

This is a smart and very well travelled guy. I think he has a darn good point. There are so many Aussie skanks around, no wonder why all the Aussie bloke target foreign chicks these days. They are sick of the beer guzzeling butch chicks who and try and wear less thinking it will attract men (even when they are too big for the items as well. Melb Cup day is a great example of this...

Posted by: Kristen of BrisVegas 3:30pm today

Comment 62 of 83

Yet ANOTHER example of an American trying to tell other countries what to do. Now get out of here!

Posted by: Ranger of Brisvegas 3:26pm today

Comment 61 of 83

I have seen American medical shows, the ones that use mock-ups blurr out the operation images because it shows blood. It's fake for goodness sake. Not sure it holds much credibility.

Posted by: house dad extroidinaire of brisbane 3:25pm today

Comment 60 of 83

Seems like the only people complaining about what girls wear are girls.... and probably the ones who can't pull it off. Get over it - Know one has the rite to tell anyone how to dress in this country! If you dont like it dont look at it...

Posted by: Tim Delux of HERE! 3:23pm today

Comment 59 of 83

He is allowed to think whatever he likes, but expressing his views about his foreign hosts this way is a little rude. Maybe he lucked out in Darwin. People will dress whatever way they like - its their right. Oh and "Marko", he is a UNITED STATES Marine - His job is to defend HIS country, not OURS. Australia hasn't been taken over by the US just yet.

Posted by: Michael of Brisbane 3:21pm today

Comment 58 of 83

Come on if the Aussie girls don't show flesh, how the hell are they going to be noticed?

Posted by: Mazanbic of Stella Clavisque 3:14pm today

Comment 57 of 83

Met plenty of Marines and they represent every demographic so this guy's opinion is his alone and not indicative of the entire Corps. Darwin has a reputation and I'm sure most of his enlisted subordinates look forward to shore leave there for that very reason.

Posted by: Dukes of Japan 3:10pm today

Comment 56 of 83

I would suggest that this is not a story about fashion sense or 'flashy' gear, but more about an American visitor having a go at our girls. I know this is sad, but I would rather take on an opinion from a Swede, a Canadian, a Belgian, a Peruvian or a Cypriot because to me, it would seem more less patronising.

Posted by: Rick O'Shea of Bulimba 3:09pm today

Comment 55 of

Fuzz - this sailor went out on the town in Darwin in summer for one night. He was probably in the red light district, and it looks like the girls in their working clothes didn't like the look of him and gave him a thumbs down. So as he drank himself into solitary oblivion - probably getting louder and uglier as the morning approached - then he thought he'd diss all of Aussie womanhood and we'd all be sorry.

Are you sorry? I'm not!

Although I dont agree with the comments on this article:

If you've got it don't flaunt it, US Marine tells Aussie women | Herald Sun



some of them made me laugh especially "Most Australian women have almost every accessory known to man, the only noteable exception is a mirror"

NOT THAT I AGREE

Yeah I think Mitchel St is in a nightclub district area. So my guess is you might be right .

I'm just amazed that someone would go to another country and do that .....Anyone ...any country.. Send him home me thinks. Or give him a guard where ever he goes so the poor little lads senses aren't shocked further. does he honestly believe though that women dress like that for one reason only?

Heck if i had to spend one day in Dawins summer heat i'd be walking around naked.

I want an apology from Obama ...he's responsible for this dude.

It's the middle of summer.

Hot & humid.

Best get out the "Neck to Knee" gear:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

God forbid the women would like to stay cool

I think there are women all over the world who would fit into the catagory you're talking about Abbey. Our fashions do come from American and Europe

The point i'm making is that no one has the right to do what this man has done in a country he is visiting.

Obviously he discovered that Australia is UnMerkin. That often happens when these people go abroad. It's generally followed by bribery, subversion, assassinations, civil war and occupation. You want to be careful, upsetting The Masters Of The Universe with your flagrant titillations. Wear your Merkin when you go out clubbing.

Wear your Merkin when you go out clubbing.


what's a merkin ?

I just googled Merkin :sneaky::yh_rotfl

fuzzywuzzy;1279533 wrote: what's a merkin ?


Motherhood and Apple Pie, of course.

More to the point, you need to know what's UnMerkin if you want to avoid catastrophic interference in your internal affairs.

I'd put up a photo of a Merkin but it would breach the T&C.

I'm guessing it's a way of saying an American?

OMG!!!!:yh_rotfl

It would be a pity if this thread about one misguided sailor turned into yet another anti-American hatefest. This is one guy out of 300 million Americans.

I don't know what all the fuss is about anyway. I don't feel in any way personally threatened as an Australian woman by this media beat up.

I think a large number of pics of these women should be posted so that we can have a good look and judge for ourselves. :sneaky:

It's not a media beat up pam. He sent the letter to the media. Well he's got his media !!! And his 15 minutes of fame. Now he should stay in his barracks where he'll be safe. He's basically called us slu'ts . I don't believe anyone feels threatened, just gobsmacked That someone has the audacity to link hot summer attire with sexual conduct.

Remember he infers we don't know what the word "standards" means and feels he has to explain it to us.

mikeinie;1279549 wrote: I think a large number of pics of these women should be posted so that we can have a good look and judge for ourselves. :sneaky:


:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

I can't understand why one bloke should upset you so much, Fuzzy. I mean it must have been a very slow news day.

I had turned off the computer and was about to hit the hay when I had another thought.

What if this bloke was a good, pure, virginal, young Southern baptist boy of limited life experience and his first time ashore in a foreign country he lands up in the rough port end of town? There he is, looking for a cup of tea and some Bible study - and not a Sunday School teacher in sight. He has probably never even seen cleavage before, let alone a working girl with legs that go all the way up offering him her wares. Nobody may ever have told him about birds and bees etc. He probably got his first ever hard on and is a mass of guilt and self disgust. He has probably been traumatised for life.

Have I got this right? Darwin is a leave port for the military? And a Marine Office is surprised at the amount of skin and the lack of class????

You know, I'm almost wishing a British Officer had written this, just for the heights of eloquence to which it would have driven Australia...:sneaky:

Ok! Ok! I didn't mean it! :wah:

Lawdy Lawd. Thank heavens he's never seen Plymouth. Poor lad would die of shock.

GUFFAW.

(I've seen Plymouth)

(And Sydney)

Darwin girls:

They'd feel quite at home in Newcastle.

Look like nice girls to me.

It says more about him than it does about the girls. He perhaps also believes that if a woman is raped she must in some way have provoked the attack by some poor male that couldn't withstand the temptation she offered by wearing too short a skirt or perhaps a bit of cleavage.

Come on ladies, don't send us mixed messages. That's what you do every time you dress with less than nothing on."


No means no, what relevance does the amount of clothing have? How can you have less than nothing on?

Exactly... Hope he never gets station at Camp Pendleton its on the beach in Oceanside wait till he see all the girls there. Sounds like a jerk who got turned down and is unhappy about it. Dumb...





No means no, what relevance does the amount of clothing have? How can you have less than nothing on?

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I think its interesting that he'd rather leave it to his imagination. He must have private quarters aboard ship. I also wonder if he uses condoms when he "imagines."

But why would Saint go to Australia and not tell the rest of us,:wah:

mrsK;1279535 wrote: I just googled Merkin :sneaky::yh_rotfl




So did I - blimey that's an eye opener! How have I managed to live this long and not know about these things!!!????





:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Clodhopper;1279560 wrote: Have I got this right? Darwin is a leave port for the military? And a Marine Office is surprised at the amount of skin and the lack of class????



You know, I'm almost wishing a British Officer had written this, just for the heights of eloquence to which it would have driven Australia...:sneaky:



Ok! Ok! I didn't mean it! :wah:



Lawdy Lawd. Thank heavens he's never seen Plymouth. Poor lad would die of shock.




Ha! I used to live near Plymuff, many years ago the only clothes available to buy in the shops their just screamed street walker - needless to say I bought loads :sneaky:

Okay it's not even 8 am yet and this is Darwins current weather. Jumper anyone?

27 °C

Light Thunderstorm

Humidity: 92%

Dew Point: 26 °C

Wind: 13 km/h / from the West

Wind Gust: -

Pressure: 1005 hPa (Rising)

Exactly my point, I could never live there . I couldn't even breathe in that kind of weather.

okay....i will admit you lot made me do it. I just HAD to google it myself!

:yh_laugh.......:yh_rotfl





The Straight Dope: What is a merkin?

It looks as if the "Don't ask Don't tell" policy is working in our armed forces.



Why would any Aussie women give a rats ass what a slightly homosexual American service man thinks anyways?

He's now gay??????

Blimey!!!



Great webpage, Raven!!!!! Nice to see a bit of style.

REAL SCOTSMEN CARRY PURSES

Dear Cecil:

Despite what that imbecile on the Internet may have told you, the "fur purse" in front of a Scot's kilt is not a merkin but a sporran. It is simply a pouch and has no sexual significance. --Anonymous

AussiePam;1280048 wrote: He's now gay??????



Blimey!!!





Great webpage, Raven!!!!! Nice to see a bit of style.



REAL SCOTSMEN CARRY PURSES



Dear Cecil:



Despite what that imbecile on the Internet may have told you, the "fur purse" in front of a Scot's kilt is not a merkin but a sporran. It is simply a pouch and has no sexual significance. --Anonymous
I loved the joke at the bottom as well!;)

I'm on fire goddammit, do not panic!!!

:yh_rotfl

Nah not that one, this one.

Q: Why do Scotsmen wear kilts?

A: Because sheep can hear zippers :yh_rotfl

I saw that one but stayed my hand on accounta our FG Scottish contingent and the current thread on PCness. :sneaky:

Nice to see good humour returning though to FG. Like everyone needed a bit of a stoush to get over all those pent up Christmas irritations maybe caused by too much good cheer and too many rellies... and are now settling down again....

:-6

I'm being helped, as I write, to take down the Chrissie decorations. Yep it's Fourteenth Night, so we're two days overdue, and it's morning anyway but what else can you do with a drunken sailor, earleye in the morning.

Put him in the scuppers with the hose pipe on him

etc

Put him on a Scottish moor dressed in a merkin..

Put him on ignore and he'll be sorry...

etc

Earleye in the morning hic..

:D

Oh aye me wee lassie!:yh_rotfl My chrimbo deco is still up as well. Somehow with the snow, if fits somehow.

But since my Father in law comes from Fife, I feel free with the Scots jokes. I'm allowed. Hubby says so.:yh_bigsmi

Och aye the noo!!!

YouTube - Muirsheen Durkin (1968)

All that merkin talk got me singing this great Irish song all over brekkie, and I'll be bawling it out all day now..

Muirsheen Durkin

In the days I went a-courtin´

I was never tired resortin´

To the alehouse and the playhouse

and many´s the house beside

But I told me brother Seamus

I´d be off and be right famous

And when I return again

I roamed the world wide

I courted girls in Blarney

in Kanturk and Killarney

In Passage and in Queenstown

that is the cove of Cork

But I´m sick of all this treasure

I´m gone and make me leisure

And the next time that you hear from me

will be a letter from New York

Goodbye to all the girls at home

I´m sailing far across the foam

To good old Paddy Mincoln and to Americay

There´s gold and jewels in plenty

for the poor and for the gentry

And the next time I´ll return again

I´ll never more will say

So, Good Bye Murshin Durkin

I´m sick and tired of workin´

No more I´ll dig the praties

and no longer I´ll be fooled

But as sure my name is Carney

I´ll be off to Californy

And instead of digging praties

I´ll be digging lumps of gold

Oh dear what have we started now??:yh_laugh Durkin rhymes with merkin and even a gerkin...:p

Requiem to a Merkin

Goodbye to my merkin, there are fleas in there a'lurkin

No more I'll shake my booty, all bewigged and caked with mould

As sure as me name is mud now none shall nip me in the bud now

And instead of earning peanuts I'll be raking in the gold

AussiePam;1280060 wrote: I saw that one but stayed my hand on accounta our FG Scottish contingent and the current thread on PCness. :sneaky:




Don't worry we can take a joke-besides it's normally why do welshman wear buttons in their trousers.

I dunno............He may have point?

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BTS;1280381 wrote: I dunno............He may have point?What point would that be, To be alone with his imagination? Bodies are bodies and the people whom inhabit them should have the freedom to do as they please with them provided it does not infringe on the rights of others, would you not agree, BTS?

And you're probably right about his having point

Ahso!;1280385 wrote: What point would that be, To be alone with his imagination? Bodies are bodies and the people whom inhabit them should have the freedom to do as they please with them provided it does not infringe on the rights of others, would you not agree, BTS?



And you're probably rights, about his having point


Sure I agree, just as you should agree he has a right to speak his mind if he thinks the ladies seem sleazy......

BTS;1280390 wrote: Sure I agree, just as you should agree he has a right to speak his mind if he thinks the ladies seem sleazy......I don't think anyone even remotely suggested this man should not have the right to speak his mind. that is not whats being discussed. What's happening here is people criticizing his criticism, lack of respect for others cultures and his sanctimonious attitude.

BTS;1280390 wrote: Sure I agree, just as you should agree he has a right to speak his mind if he thinks the ladies seem sleazy......


He's making a moral judgement about the ladies of darwin based on nothing else except their appearance and his own preconceptions. Sure he has a right to express his opinion but he seems to think his own moral standards are superior to everybody else's which rather suggests he is an arrogant pillock.

Besides-who does more harm-a scantily dressed woman or a trained killer who does what he is told? However you want to dress it up (no pun intended) a soldier in uniform has made a conscious decision to be a killer so does he really speak from a higher moral ground?

gmc

:yh_worshp

Wow what a leap.... now he's a killer..... oops "trained killer"

When was he EVER in a war situation that you know of??



Quote gmc:

"Besides-who does more harm-a scantily dressed woman or a trained killer who does what he is told?"



So gmc tell us ALL how you know he is a "trained killer"



A few comments from site;



Tim Peters Posted at 1:02 PM January 06, 2010 The captain has it spot on! and a fair number of Aussie women wear very cheap/shabby imported clothing. Dress standards in the US, UK and europe are waaay higher. Travel or view overseas stores websites if you don't believe



Mayor of Brown Town Posted at 8:21 AM January 06, 2010 Right on Captain Campbell!! Cover up ladies.....unless you are a size 8 or less. Nobody wants to look at a muffin top.

Comment 9 of 206



Kay of Brisbane Posted at 8:23 AM January 06, 2010 I agree with him wholeheartedly. So many girls/women would probably wear more to bed than they do in public.

Comment 13 of 206



Me of brisbane Posted at 8:40 AM January 06, 2010 I agree 100%! And im female. Good on him for saying it. Women's dress standards are getting worse every year, and more disturbingly, young girls are also dressing the same way earlier. Troubling.

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