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Does hate come from ignorance or are people just born to hate? What do you hate and what made you feel hatred? Is this a normal feeling or is this something more deep rooted in each of us?

"Hate" is not a feeling.

Hate is bred from many things. Ignorance is passed on from generation to generation. Its taught, its learned.

A childs self esteem is destroyed because a parent cannot rid themselves of their demons.

An unwillingness or inability to break the cycle.

People that have been hurt beyond repair.

Weak character.

Low IQ.

A person that cant take responsibility for their own actions.

Degenerates.

The list is endless.

“In time we hate that which we often fear.

William Shakespeare

Jazzy;1283780 wrote: Does hate come from ignorance or are people just born to hate? What do you hate and what made you feel hatred? Is this a normal feeling or is this something more deep rooted in each of us?


It comes initially from fear-of the unknown of someone or something that is different from you and you know nothing about. Ignorance feeds it up in to prejudice at which point it is no longer rational.

Jazzy;1283780 wrote: Does hate come from ignorance or are people just born to hate? What do you hate and what made you feel hatred? Is this a normal feeling or is this something more deep rooted in each of us?


Nomad got most of it already. I'd say that they do group on two categories, though:

1. People have been taught to hate. I've personally seen this many, many times. I remember one sawed-off little boy that came to our school on the '90s. He told our African American teacher to "swim back to Africa." He called every other race in the school racial names, and by the end of the first day we had kids coming into the office in groups asking if they could kill him. So we called for a P/T conference. When the parents showed up, the dad had a Nazi swastika tattooed on his forehead. Mystery solved and a powerful lesson that hate is a learned behavior.

2. People who have learned to hate through experiences. Let's face it. Life beats people up. Run-ins with other races and bad experiences with them leads people to stereotype. Yes, it's wrong, and yes it has been and will be going on for all time.

Saint_;1283809 wrote: Nomad got most of it already. I'd say that they do group on two categories, though:

1. People have been taught to hate. I've personally seen this many, many times. I remember one sawed-off little boy that came to our school on the '90s. He told our African American teacher to "swim back to Africa." He called every other race in the school racial names, and by the end of the first day we had kids coming into the office in groups asking if they could kill him. So we called for a P/T conference. When the parents showed up, the dad had a Nazi swastika tattooed on his forehead. Mystery solved and a powerful lesson that hate is a learned behavior.

2. People who have learned to hate through experiences. Let's face it. Life beats people up. Run-ins with other races and bad experiences with them leads people to stereotype. Yes, it's wrong, and yes it has been and will be going on for all time.




Oh Saint that is awful your first example.... geeze that is a horrible start for that little boy.

I know a kid who is a member of a pro white society here in town... no not the kkk he is a father of 2 and would never ever ever teach his girls anything like that. I spose his girls are fortunate as well that they are around many positive people too.

Hate can also come from being on the receiving end of somebody's vile, evil actions against your family. That sort of hatred is very difficult to keep under control, and try to turn it to pity. I know this from my own recent RL experience.

No I'm not talking about gangs mooching about, or idiots smashing our car windows. I am talking about something that is far more personal, and far more evil.

Ahso!;1283783 wrote: "Hate" is not a feeling.


Interesting response. How is "hate" not a feeling? :-3

Jazzy;1283827 wrote: Interesting response. How is "hate" not a feeling? :-3
I think most people would use "feeling" for something temporary and changeable over time. Hatred is rather more permanent.

I hate tapioca pudding.

I learned to hate tapioca pudding at an early age. I suspect I could overcome the reaction if I set my mind to it and practised a lot but to be honest I don't want to. I long ago reached the point where my loathing of tapioca pudding was an entirely natural reaction to its existence. That's not a feeling, that's pure untrammelled hatred.

Jazzy;1283827 wrote: Interesting response. How is "hate" not a feeling? :-3Hate is an expression, not a feeling. Hate may be a response to a feeling, most notably 'fear'.

If a person eats food that they do not like, they may say :I hate that food.

Or if a person becomes startled by a dog, they may say they hate dogs, meaning they fear dogs.

Ahso!;1283833 wrote: Hate is an expression, not a feeling. Hate may be a response to a feeling, most notably 'fear'.

If a person eats food that they do not like, they may say :I hate that food.

Or if a person becomes startled by a dog, they may say they hate dogs, meaning they fear dogs.


Would your conception of "hate" be the same conception of "love"? For instance, I love that food or I love dogs? Is "love" then in your opinion only an expression and not a feeling?

Jazzy;1283836 wrote: Would your conception of "hate" be the same conception of "love"? For instance, I love that food or I love dogs? Is "love" then in your opinion only an expression and not a feeling? I see "love" as an expression as well.

Love's in a different category altogether. Love is hard-wired physical reaction more akin to an illness than a feeling. Unlike hatred it can be seen to affect a multitude of species.

Ahso!;1283838 wrote: I see "love" as an expression as well.


What, in your opinion, is a feeling? Could you please help me understand the difference between an expression and a feeling?

spot;1283839 wrote: Love's in a different category altogether. Love is hard-wired physical reaction more akin to an illness than a feeling. Unlike hatred it can be seen to affect a multitude of species.


Love is an illness? Please explain so I understand.

spot;1283839 wrote: Love's in a different category altogether. Love is hard-wired physical reaction more akin to an illness than a feeling. Unlike hatred it can be seen to affect a multitude of species.I've never heard "love" explained like that, but its as good an explanation as any I have heard.

In the way Jazzy posed her question, I'd have to go with expression.

I think George Harrison described love very well in "Something".

Ahso!;1283838 wrote: I see "love" as an expression as well.


This is absurd.

Love, hate, fear, theyre all internal responses that cause what can only be described as feelings. Feelings by nature cause a physical sensation usually in the pit of the stomach.

If love and hate arent feelings then please identify a valid feeling.

Jazzy;1283841 wrote: What, in your opinion, is a feeling? Could you please help me understand the difference between an expression and a feeling? A feeling is just that, a feeling and hate is a reaction or response attached to certain feelings. Spots explanation of the pudding is well suited. Just as the thought of pudding could make Spot feel sick through consistent association, hate can invoke certain feelings when called upon. Some people use hate to make themselves feel alive.

I certainly see love and hate as feelings. They may or may not be expressed.

As to where they come from, I can do no better than to say, " From within as a reaction to external stimuli."

Nomad;1283852 wrote: This is absurd.

Love, hate, fear, theyre all internal responses that cause what can only be described as feelings. Feelings by nature cause a physical sensation usually in the pit of the stomach.

If love and hate arent feelings then please identify a valid feeling.They're all just words. Following is a wikipedia page for basic emotions. I think its probably fairly widely accepted by those who like to consider these things.

As you can see, hate is nowhere to be found.

List of emotions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If I were to say that feelings(IMO) include anger, fear, sadness and happiness. Would you tell me that my statement is not feelings but emotions?

Jazzy;1283858 wrote: If I were to say that feelings(IMO) include anger, fear, sadness and happiness. Would you tell me that my statement is not feelings but emotions?

Feelings are emotions.

Jazzy;1283858 wrote: If I were to say that feelings(IMO) include anger, fear, sadness and happiness. Would you tell me that my statement is not feelings but emotions?

I'd say you and I are speaking two different languages to some extent.

Ahso!;1283859 wrote: Feelings are emotions.


Anger makes us feel something, a physiological and biological response fueled by external stimuli or internal thoughts.

Love and hate are also fueled by the same and the resulting response is identical.

Everything is just words but words are based on thoughts, feelings, data, whatever.

To minimize the importance of words is to deny the existence of the basis from that which we express ourselves.

Love is not merely a word its an entity universally accepted as one of the most intense of emotions.

Jazzy;1283845 wrote: Love is an illness? Please explain so I understand.


It was a suggestion a few years back - ESRC Society Today - The Science of Love discusses what might have been the original source of the discussion.setting out the similarities between falling in love and being mentally ill. Love, he argues, is characterised by mania (heightened emotions, inflated self-esteem and extravagant present giving), depression (tearfulness and loss of concentration) and extreme mood swings (on a high when beloved calls and in the depths when beloved doesn't). Given the manic depressive symptoms, you wonder why we chase love rather than run screaming in the opposite direction.

Tallis, to be fair, insists that he accepts love as part of the human condition. His point is that for some people the effects of love are extremely debilitating and that it was only in the 20th century that doctors and psychiatrists stopped taking love seriously. Tallis claims to have patients who present with depression or anxiety only to discover they are suffering for love.

Nomad;1283866 wrote: Anger makes us feel something, a physiological and biological response fueled by external stimuli or internal thoughts.

Love and hate are also fueled by the same and the resulting response is identical.

Everything is just words but words are based on thoughts, feelings, data, whatever.

To minimize the importance of words is to deny the existence of the basis from that which we express ourselves.

Love is not merely a word its an entity universally accepted as one of the most intense of emotions.You misunderstand my post. I was allowing for leeway due to language restrictions. If we use the same set of definitions which are generally accepted, hate is not an emotion, neither is love. Both are expressions or responses to basic feelings. Though Spots explanation is very interesting.

spot;1283867 wrote: It was a suggestion a few years back - ESRC Society Today - The Science of Love discusses what might have been the original source of the discussion.

setting out the similarities between falling in love and being mentally ill. Love, he argues, is characterised by mania (heightened emotions, inflated self-esteem and extravagant present giving), depression (tearfulness and loss of concentration) and extreme mood swings (on a high when beloved calls and in the depths when beloved doesn't). Given the manic depressive symptoms, you wonder why we chase love rather than run screaming in the opposite direction.



Tallis, to be fair, insists that he accepts love as part of the human condition. His point is that for some people the effects of love are extremely debilitating and that it was only in the 20th century that doctors and psychiatrists stopped taking love seriously. Tallis claims to have patients who present with depression or anxiety only to discover they are suffering for love.




Its fair to say love is a matter of degrees and evolves and changes into something more managable than the initial stage of manicness. It quiets into something that represents the processes of our changing lives. Love in the initial stage is far different as our life experiences dictate separate practical but not less delightful methods of growing with or away from eachother.

Insanity may have similar qualities as love in the beginning stages but insanity only evolves into more insanity.

Its kind of a glib statement and doesnt really address the reality of what we experience in love.

I was allowing for leeway due to language restrictions. If we use the same set of definitions which are generally accepted, hate is not an emotion, neither is love. Both are expressions or responses to basic feelings.


Well, you keep responding and I'll keep feeling :wah:. I'm fairly uneasy with those definitions, generally accepted or not. Love seems to me to be a lot more than joy+trust.

Clodhopper;1283874 wrote: Well, you keep responding and I'll keep feeling :wah:. I'm fairly uneasy with those definitions, generally accepted or not. Love seems to me to be a lot more than joy+trust.Thats my point with words. You've ascribed certain words to these emotions and I ascribed others. Since we don't use the same dictionary then its a moot point.

Ahso!;1283870 wrote: You misunderstand my post. I was allowing for leeway due to language restrictions. If we use the same set of definitions which are generally accepted, hate is not an emotion, neither is love. Both are expressions or responses to basic feelings. Though Spots explanation is very interesting.




Both are expressions or responses to basic feelings.




Love and hate being the feeling, expressions and responses being the only way we know how to share those feelings.

Right.

Nomad;1283873 wrote: Its fair to say love is a matter of degrees and evolves and changes into something more managable than the initial stage of manicness. It quiets into something that represents the processes of our changing lives. Love in the initial stage is far different as our life experiences dictate separate practical but not less delightful methods of growing with or away from eachother.

Insanity may have similar qualities as love in the beginning stages but insanity only evolves into more insanity.

Its kind of a glib statement and doesnt really address the reality of what we experience in love.Clincally speaking? I'm curious where that comes from. Insanity is mostly in the eyes of the beholder, generally speaking.

Thats my point with words. You've ascribed certain words to these emotions and I ascribed others. Since we don't use the same dictionary then its a moot point.


Yep.

Unless we can create some sort of test for emotions that is numbers based we aren't going to get far. Some sort of EEG test or CAT scan of people in love when the face of the beloved and the faces of strangers are flashed on a screen might do it. Perhaps a control group of single orphans for comparison...?

Nomad;1283879 wrote: Love and hate being the feeling, expressions and responses being the only way we know how to share those feelings.

Right.What I've noticed you've done in your posts, is use the word to call upon the feeling as you did here;

Nomad;1283866 wrote: Anger makes us feel something, a physiological and biological response fueled by external stimuli or internal thoughts.

Love and hate are also fueled by the same and the resulting response is identical.

Everything is just words but words are based on thoughts, feelings, data, whatever.

To minimize the importance of words is to deny the existence of the basis from that which we express ourselves.

Love is not merely a word its an entity universally accepted as one of the most intense of emotions.Think about that. When you were young and first experiencing feelings you did not have a vocabulary but the feeling came. You learned to apply certain words to those emotions. As adults to rediscover those feelings and redefine them, we need to once again put them first.

We use feeling or emotions as weapons as adults not as a sense of wonderment and discovery.

Many females like to believe they are feelings experts because they experience them so often, but thats not true. The only one anybody can be an expert on is themselves, nobody else. Both males and females definitions of emotions have been defined culturally for the good of the group.

Ahso!;1283892 wrote:

We use feeling or emotions as weapons as adults not as a sense of wonderment and discovery.




Now that in my opinion is a vastly skewed perception. It is your perception though certainly not mine.

Your theory in no way represents the life Ive created for myself.

What you're missing in your posts is "this is the way I feel"

I find you view cynical and sad.

Nomad;1283898 wrote: Now that in my opinion is a vastly skewed perception. It is your perception though certainly not mine.

Your theory in no way represents the life Ive created for myself.

What you're missing in your posts is "this is the way I feel"

I find you view cynical and sad.How in the world did you get cynical and sad out of that? I don't use hate to my advantage and disclaim responsibility by calling it a feeling. If I hate something I fully understand why and can explain my opinion, I don't hide behind emotionality. My understanding of emotions is open minded and dare i say, generally accepted.

You could have bowed out more gracefully than that.

Originally Posted by Ahso!

We use feeling or emotions as weapons as adults not as a sense of wonderment and discovery.




Bowed out gracefully? How odd. I said what I think.

Certainly I have the right to express my feelings and thoughts here as they are.

I do in fact find that statement to be cynical and sad in that it appears to be one born of negativity. Also your views are coming across as if theyre fact and not merely your perceptions.

I dont use my feelings as weapons, in fact I do use them as methods of discovery and enlightenment.

Nomad;1283911 wrote: Bowed out gracefully? How odd. I said what I think.

Certainly I have the right to express my feelings and thoughts here as they are.

I do in fact find that statement to be cynical and sad in that it appears to be one born of negativity. Also your views are coming across as if theyre fact and not merely your perceptions.

I dont use my feelings as weapons, in fact I do use them as methods of discovery and enlightenment.



I didn't know you to be so sensitive. That statement is a "we" statement including me. If you put two and two together you can see I was talking culturally. And yes by the way you phrased your statement, you probably do use them as weapons. Get past it!

Incidentally I've offered proof of my statement, wheres yours?

Ahso!;1283913 wrote: I didn't know you to be so sensitive. That statement is "we" statement including me. If you put two and two together you can see I was talking culturally. And yes by the way you phrased your statement, you probably do use them as weapons. Get past it!



Incidentally I've offered proof of my statement, wheres yours?


You're misinterpreting me. Youre being defensive and theres no need for it. Im not attacking you. Im not pissy here at all. Culturally...well ok, but your statements sounded very definitive.

I suppose some people do use aggressive feelings to thwart others. I dont and I dont really surround myself with others that do. In fact my world works quite well.



Until someone knocks on my door, then the chaos begins.

Nomad;1283917 wrote: You're misinterpreting me. Youre being defensive and theres no need for it. Im not attacking you. Im not pissy here at all. Culturally...well ok, but your statements sounded very definitive.

I suppose some people do use aggressive feelings to thwart others. I dont and I dont really surround myself with others that do. In fact my world works quite well.



Until someone knocks on my door, then the chaos begins.


Its all in the name of love, Nomad. Its just a discussion.

If there is one subject I understand pretty well besides myself, its emotionality. Its been a lifelong obsession with me. So if I sound matter of fact about it thats because I've done a lot of investigating of it. Probably due to the fact that most of my life was spent around females and I've had to learn not to be responsible for the emotions of others when they've tried to make me responsible.

Tombstone;1283800 wrote: “In time we hate that which we often fear.

William ShakespeareThis quote says it best. Thanks TS.

Ahso!;1283946 wrote: This quote says it best. Thanks TS.


The thing is Ahso, I do not fear the particular people that I now hate. I can honestly say that I have never hated before. I don't think I have ever had a reason to hate, till now. It is not a nice feeling, emotion, whatever it is. But people who try to destroy my family with their evil, their lies, will receive nothing from me but my loathing and hate for them. Over time I will try to change that hatred into pity, but I can't see that happening for quite some time, if at all.

Tombstone;1283800 wrote: “In time we hate that which we often fear.

William Shakespeare




spot;1283831 wrote: I think most people would use "feeling" for something temporary and changeable over time. Hatred is rather more permanent.

I hate tapioca pudding.

I learned to hate tapioca pudding at an early age. I suspect I could overcome the reaction if I set my mind to it and practised a lot but to be honest I don't want to. I long ago reached the point where my loathing of tapioca pudding was an entirely natural reaction to its existence. That's not a feeling, that's pure untrammelled hatred.


Given the great man's accurate words, I think Spot should face his fears and go make a bowl of Tapioca and eat it, harbouring hatred is not good for the soul

As the low brow amongst us, and taking Spot's comment with a pinch of salt, and remembering how damn pedantic he can be at times.

How can you HATE a milk pudding ?

You might dislike a pudding, you might even become nauseous at the sight, you possibly could vomit at the smell of a pudding.

Many words are over used so as to alter their meaning, hate is one of those words.

I'll fall back on the dictionary then:To hold in very strong dislike; to detest; to bear malice to. The opposite of to love.

To dislike greatly, be extremely averse (to do something)That's me and Tapioca pudding. There's no compromise. The dictionary notes that "Dickens..hated to have to blot his manuscripts while he was writing" which has the same force.

If you can 'Love' tapioca, I suppose you can 'Hate' tapioca.

I would suggest the proper words are like and dislike, or like greatly or dislike strongly and other variations if you wish.

I cannot 'love' my children and 'love' tapioca, one word must be an exaggerated use of the word.

spot is Tapiocaphobic? Is that a word? Can you actually say it? :wah:

I'd have called a phobia fear rather than hate...

My Mum was afraid of spiders, but she never hated them.

But I'm not going to disagree with Big Bill on the subject. He knew far too much. So perhaps if she'd lived another lifetime or so my mother might have come to hate spiders...

I cannot 'love' my children and 'love' tapioca, one word must be an exaggerated use of the word.


We have come to use the word for a wide range of positive emotions. Each one can be accurate in each case. But they are not (as you say) exactly the same feelings. Context is all important.

'For hate is not conquered by hate: hate is conquered by love. This is a law eternal.'

Pali Tripitaka.



I still say you've got to face your fear and love that Tapioca!! :wah:

Bruv;1283973 wrote: If you can 'Love' tapioca, I suppose you can 'Hate' tapioca.
Nobody could possibly love Tapioca pudding. The very notion is an insult to humanity.

It's known by other names, at least in the school I attended - fairy footballs and frogspawn. Nobody loved it whatever it was called.