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Have you ever discovered the Light within yourself? That is, have you ever discovered True Life?

If you've ever felt your own Spirit moving inside yourself, then you have found the Tree of Life.

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If they ask you, 'What is the evidence of your Father in you?' say to them, 'It is motion and rest.'"

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Since the beginning of time, people have spent their whole lives searching for the meaning of true Life.

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Jesus said, "Congratulations to the person who has toiled and has found life."

Jesus said, "Seek and you will find.

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The Light within every single person is the key to Eternal Life. But unfortunately, only certain people will ever be able to see it.

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Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you.

Let there be among you a person who understands.

Jesus said, "I shall choose you, one from a thousand and two from ten thousand, and they will stand as a single one."

Jesus said, "I will give you what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, what no hand has touched, what has not arisen in the human heart."

Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will have to bear!"

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In the Holy Bible, there is a passage which describes 2 trees that were crucial to the garden of Eden (the beginning of Humanity). One was the Tree of knowledge, and the other was the Tree of Life. The symbology of these two trees represents the two basic components of everlasting Life.

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In order to obtain the Tree of Life (The Kingdom of Heaven), you must first obtain the The Tree of Knowledge (The knowledge of your own Light). These two trees are paired together in the Bible for a reason., because they go hand and hand with each other. And you can't have one without the other. You need both in order to obtain eternal Life.

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And He said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

Jesus said, "Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being.

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter ."

He said to them, "Anyone here with two ears had better listen! There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is dark."

"For this reason I say, if one is whole, one will be filled with light, but if one is divided, one will be filled with darkness."

Jesus said, "Whoever has something in hand will be given more, and whoever has nothing will be deprived of even the little they have."

"If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image.'

Jesus said, "Look to the living one as long as you live, otherwise you might die and then try to see the living one, and you will be unable to see."

Jesus said, "Images are visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the Father's light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his light."

Jesus said, "I disclose my mysteries to those [who are worthy] of [my] mysteries.

Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

Jesus said, "Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."

Does not Jesus say, "Those who have found themselves, of them the world is not worthy"?

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Anyone who has ever felt their own Light within themselves, has discovered a piece of the Kingdom of Heaven. And anyone who has ever believed in that Light, and has made themselves One with it, will one day inherit Eternal Life.

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Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

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Here Jesus is giving us a beautiful picture of Heaven. That in Heaven a mountain will move at your command.

Have You Ever Discovered True Life?....yes....and it didnt involve god or religon...i dont need an emotional crutch to know how to appreciate life and all thats around me

beowulf;1296880 wrote: Have You Ever Discovered True Life?....yes....and it didnt involve god or religon...i dont need an emotional crutch to know how to appreciate life and all thats around me


There is no True Life without the Source that it all came from. Forget about religion. Focus on the Source. And then ask yourself, how are you a part of that?

Nobody can discuss these matters without an agreed common vocabulary. Please define:

Light

True Life

Spirit

The Tree of Life

in such terms that others can join in. It's not a trivial question. Is this "Spirit" something independent of the individual's body or does it survive death? Do expressions like "That's the spirit", "He put up a spirited defence" carry any meaning for you? Do those meanings overlap with your usage here? This common vocabulary is essential and currently it doesn't exist in a sufficiently defined way to hold a discussion. Does True Life imply there's a False Life? Does False Life exist despite a perfectly reasonable biological recognition of "It's Life, Jim"?

The reason you get away with so much is that you take an entry from a dictionary, like "life", and proceed to use it in your own secret way. Unveil the secret, stop being arcane, use English instead of code.

spot;1296890 wrote: Nobody can discuss these matters without an agreed common vocabulary. Please define:

Light

True Life

Spirit

The Tree of Life

in such terms that others can join in. It's not a trivial question. Is this "Spirit" something independent of the individual's body or does it survive death? Do expressions like "That's the spirit", "He put up a spirited defence" carry any meaning for you? Do those meanings overlap with your usage here? This common vocabulary is essential and currently it doesn't exist in a sufficiently defined way to hold a discussion. Does True Life imply there's a False Life? Does False Life exist despite a perfectly reasonable biological recognition of "It's Life, Jim"?

The reason you get away with so much is that you take an entry from a dictionary, like "life", and proceed to use it in your own secret way. Unveil the secret, stop being arcane, use English instead of code.


You are attempting to use science to determine the meaning of Life.

In Truth, asking what is the meaning of Life is like asking what is the meaning of a Rock.

There is no meaning of Life. There's just Life.

You are either connected with all of Life or you are disconnected from all of Life (In your thoughts and your emotions).

The only way to connect with something is to first understand that you are a part of it. And to treat it as if it was yourself. You cannot connect with the source of Life without first becoming aware of that Source, through yourself, and then becoming aware of the fact that you are that Source, in the form of Yourself. It is the circle of Life. That everything came forth from the same thing, and therefore can be traced back to that same thing, and must therefore one day return to that same thing, only with the experience of having been away from it. But never having been separated from it. And always having been a part of it.

Is it possible for something to be a part of something else and to be temporarily away from that which it is a part of? Yes. Such is the Human Condition. Such is the material condition.

TruthBringer;1296895 wrote: You are attempting to use science to determine the meaning of Life. I'm doing nothing of the sort, if anything I'm doing precisely the reverse. Understanding is a consequence of experience in the context we're discussing. Science is transmissible through logic. True Life, as you put it, is by contrast something to live. It's a doing thing, not an analytical thing. It's analysed through being, not through speculating.

Somewhere pushing twenty years ago I put two books onto the Internet, both of which would do you a great deal of good I suspect. One's at, for example, A Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life and the other started out on Practice of the Presence of God: The Best Rule of Holy Life. If you ever get round to including either in your reading then for goodness' sake do what they say instead of just filing the content.

If you're going to discuss prophecy then prophesy, don't just copy/paste Edgar Cayce. If you want to know about the True Life then live the True Life, don't just copy/paste the New Testament. Being there is the only first step toward discovering what the words mean, just reading it (much less passing it around) leaves an entirely unsatisfactory and inaccurate sense of comprehension. Life is exclusively experimental.

I didn't ask "what is the meaning of Life" and I honestly can't see any way in which you can hold an intelligible conversation on FG if you totally refuse to focus and insist on fighting instead. Cooperative discussion is, as I told you when you first arrived, far and away the most important function these forums have. Instead of that we've had enough copied text to fill a dustbin.

spot;1296902 wrote: I'm doing nothing of the sort, if anything I'm doing precisely the reverse. Understanding is a consequence of experience in the context we're discussing. Science is transmissible through logic. True Life, as you put it, is something to live. It's a doing thing, not an analytical thing. It's analysed through being, not through speculating.

Somewhere pushing twenty years ago I put two books onto the Internet, both of which would do you a great deal of good I suspect. One's at, for example, A Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life and the other's started out on Practice of the Presence of God: The Best Rule of Holy Life. If you ever get round to including either in your reading then for goodness' sake do what they say instead of just filing the content.

If you're going to discuss prophecy then prophesy, don't just copy/paste Edgar Cayce. If you want to know about the True Life then live the True Life, don't just copy/paste the New Testament. Being there is the only first step toward discovering what the words mean, just reading it (much less passing it around) leaves an entirely unsatisfactory and inaccurate sense of comprehension. Life is exclusively experimental.

I didn't ask "what is the meaning of Life" and I honestly can't see any way in which you can hold an intelligible conversation on FG if you totally refuse to focus and insist on fighting instead. Cooperative discussion is, as I told you when you first arrived, far and away the most important function these forums have. Instead of that we've had enough copied text to fill a dustbin.


If I was a scientist, I would attempt to use science to figure out how Light is everything, to better understand how we are all forms of Light. That is where I believe the main focus of science should be. How can we use science to prove that Light is everything? Has this been proven already? And if so, can you explain?

Now in order for understanding how everything is Light, it would be necessary to first understand what kind of Light everything is. So my question for you Spot, would be what kind of Light is everything? If science has no answer for that yet, then science has not yet discovered it. Life is Light. But what kind of Light? That is the question of the day.

TruthBringer;1296903 wrote: If I was a scientist, I would attempt to use science to figure out how Light is everything, to better understand how we are all forms of Light. That is where I believe the main focus of science should be. How can we use science to prove that Light is everything? Has this been proven already? And if so, can you explain?

Now in order for understanding how everything is Light, it would be necessary to first understand what kind of Light everything is. So my question for you Spot, would be what kind of Light is everything? If science has no answer for that yet, then science has not discovered it yet.


It's because you're employing a metaphor while believing it to be a fact. That changes the meaning of a perfectly good English word, "light", into a Cosmic Secret known only to initiates. Which is why I asked you about finding an agreed vocabulary. If we use "Light" in your Cosmic Secret sense then what do we use for those plain old-fashioned photons the Sun keeps pumping out? The simple approach is to define some terminology instead of doing what you invariably do, which is to use both senses interchangeably from the misleading impression that there's no difference between any of the uses.

sorry.....i just cant take it seriously.........especially when you talk in riddles...try speaking plain english

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Possibly the most perplexing problem is figuring out how darkness is also a part of Light. Scientifically it is only possible to have a reduced amount of light, but not to have zero light at all. Therefore darkness is only reduced light, but it therefore must also be connected to Light, and must somehow be a part of it. 2 Sides of the same coin. But yes, in order for Light to truly be everything, then darkness must somehow be Light.

beowulf;1296905 wrote: sorry.....i just cant take it seriously.........especially when you talk in riddles...try speaking plain english


The advantage of quoting a sentence is that the person being addressed can then respond in context. Pick a sentence that's not "plain english" and the author can attempt to untangle it. I'm interested to see which one you choose.

TB can take his pick of his sentances to explain..............its all gibberish to me

TruthBringer;1296906 wrote: Possibly the most perplexing problem is figuring out how darkness is also a part of Light. Scientifically it is only possible to have a reduced amount of light, but not to have zero light at all. Therefore darkness is only reduced light, but it therefore must also be connected to Light, and must somehow be a part of it. 2 Sides of the same coin. But yes, in order for Light to truly be everything, then darkness must somehow be Light.


Applying logic to metaphorical contradiction is a fool's game.

Stop talking about it and explore it. When you come back, describe what you found. That's a useful start.

spot;1296910 wrote: Applying logic to metaphorical contradiction is a fool's game.

Stop talking about it and explore it. When you come back, describe what you found. That's a useful start.


The scientific definition of Light includes the entire electromagnetic spectrum, not just visible light, so it is scientifically impossible to create perfect darkness. Because that darkness is actually Light.

Whoo..!! TB lighten up you spend way to much time on this stuff and in truth your "True Life" is passing YOU by. Peace brother you need to get outside and smell the fresh air. :-6:-6

I'm old by your standards and can tell from this side of life you better get busy doing instead of talking about doing, as it goes fast.

TruthBringer;1296912 wrote: The scientific definition of Light includes the entire electromagnetic spectrum, not just visible light, so it is scientifically impossible to create perfect darkness. Because that darkness is actually Light.


There you go again, switching from absence of energy to alternate energies. Lack of vocabulary, every single time.

This is all very interesting to me. How was it that over 2,000 years ago Jesus was able to know that everything is Light? How was it that in Ephesians 5:13 it was also stated as fact that everything is Light?

Ephesians 5:13

But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

This is completely baffling to me. How without the tools of our present day, could it have ever been possible to state such true facts?

CARLA;1296913 wrote: Whoo..!! TB lighten up you spend way to much time on this stuff and in truth your "True Life" is passing YOU by. Peace brother you need to get outside and smell the fresh air. :-6:-6

I'm old by your standards and can tell from this side of life you better get busy doing instead of talking about doing, as it goes fast.


lol. My friend Bryan uses that line all the time, "Don't just say it be about it."

Of course he is nowhere near taking his own advice, but that's beside the point.

If you mean to live every day in a state of awareness of myself and my surroundings, I do the best I can in that area.

TruthBringer;1296920 wrote: This is completely baffling to me. How without the tools of our present day, could it have ever been possible to state such true facts?Only by completely misreading Ephesians 5:13. Nobody in their right mind could say that "in Ephesians 5:13 it was also stated as fact that everything is Light". It says nothing of the sort.

Stop confusing photons with all those metaphorical uses of "light", chief among which is "truthful illumination".

spot;1296923 wrote: Only by completely misreading Ephesians 5:13. Nobody in their right mind could say that "in Ephesians 5:13 it was also stated as fact that everything is Light". It says nothing of the sort.

Stop confusing photons with all those metaphorical uses of "light", chief among which is "truthful illumination".


How else would you interpret that statement? The only way I read it is that everything is Light. Or the second possibility is that anything that creates anything is Light. But even if that is the case, then everything that comes forth from the Light must also be a part of that Light in turn. So no matter how I try to slice it and dice it, I read it as meaning the same.

TruthBringer;1296906 wrote: Possibly the most perplexing problem is figuring out how darkness is also a part of Light. Scientifically it is only possible to have a reduced amount of light, but not to have zero light at all. Therefore darkness is only reduced light, but it therefore must also be connected to Light, and must somehow be a part of it. 2 Sides of the same coin. But yes, in order for Light to truly be everything, then darkness must somehow be Light.


:yh_rotfl

Light is photons...Because it can be explained then those photons are no different than the "dark" in which you speak of. The only difference is in how they're both perceived which is why spot's asking for clarification on the terms you'd used.

Someone's "light" can be an others' "darkness" but what cannot be substituted is the definition of "photons". Photons exist as a material substance in the same manner as yourself. Without this existence you'd be innately incapable of understanding "light" in both contexts. This means that they're both the same while perceived differently which also means they can only both be different when perceived as the same.

Btw, True life is never having contemplated life because the end conclusion is the inability to recognize death.

*CRUNCH!* *CRUNCH!*...

The statement "Let there be light" may mean "Let there be energy of all wavelengths and in all forms."

TruthBringer;1296929 wrote: The statement "Let there be light" may mean "Let there be energy of all wavelengths and in all forms."


That, or he/she hadn't wanted to stub his/her toe again...

TruthBringer;1296924 wrote: How else would you interpret that statement? The only way I read it is that everything is Light.


Just in terms of plain English usage? Okay..

Let "x" be "all things that are reproved". A whole load of things are not "x". "x" isn't everything.

All "x" is made manifest by the light. Everything that's not "x" is entirely ignored by the verse.

Let "y" be "whatsoever doth make manifest". A whole load of things are not "y". "y" isn't everything.

"y" is light. Light isn't being declared to be everything.

And I repeat, "light" in the context of the verse is truthful illumination, not photons.

The verse is a test for whether your illumination or insight is God-given. All things that are reproved [everything that's not Godly] are made manifest [shown to the world] by the light : for [because] whatsoever doth make manifest [whatever exposes the truth] is light.

To paraphrase, if your insight can't distinguish the genuinely Godly from what is in fact just disguised evil and hidden wrong, then God didn't give it to you. The true test for what God genuinely disapproves of can only come from God's inspiration.

Which is just Paul being circular yet again, he did that a lot.

spot;1296931 wrote: Just in terms of plain English usage? Okay..

Let "x" be "all things that are reproved". A whole load of things are not "x". "x" isn't everything.

All "x" is made manifest by the light. Everything that's not "x" is entirely ignored by the verse.

Let "y" be "whatsoever doth make manifest". A whole load of things are not "y". "y" isn't everything.

"y" is light. Light isn't being declared to be everything.

And I repeat, "light" in the context of the verse is truthful illumination, not photons.

The verse is a test for whether your illumination or insight is God-given. All things that are reproved [everything that's not Godly] are made manifest [shown to the world] by the light : for [because] whatsoever doth make manifest [whatever exposes the truth] is light.

To paraphrase, if your insight can't distinguish the genuinely Godly from what is in fact just disguised evil and hidden wrong, then God didn't give it to you. The true test for what God genuinely disapproves of can only come from God's inspiration.

Which is just Paul being circular yet again, he did that a lot.


Well then it looks like we just have two different interpretations of the same verse.

TruthBringer;1296932 wrote: Well then it looks like we just have two different interpretations of the same verse.


Perhaps you'd like to give us a plain English word-by-word analysis of how it comes to state as fact that everything is Light.

spot;1296933 wrote: Perhaps you'd like to give us a plain English word-by-word analysis of how it comes to state as fact that everything is Light.


Ok I will do my best.....

Simply stated, Light is nature's way of transferring energy through space. In order to create solid matter (all things material living or non living), energy had to have first been transferred through this very same process. We can complicate it by talking about interacting electric and magnetic fields, quantum mechanics, and all of that, but just remember--Light is energy.

Light is more generally referred to as electromagnetic radiation. But too often when we say "Light" it is mistaken to mean "optical Light," which is roughly the radiation visible to our eyes. Visible Light is only a tiny portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. One can break this up into different sections and refer to them by name, such as gamma-rays, X-rays, ultraviolet, optical, infrared, and radio. However, it is important to remember that they are all just Light. There are no "breaks" and no hard boundaries in the electromagnetic spectrum--just a continuous range of energy.

If we take the premise that everything in the Universe originated from the "Big Bang" which is the current scientific view, then we must understand that it was the Light in which everything came forth from and that it was this Light which had exploded in the “Big Bang” under its own intense and overpowering force. The Light was then slowed down until it became slow enough to assume the characteristics of “matter” and formed the fundamental particles, and later, the elementary particles that make up all matter that we see or know to exist in the Universe.

Modern day quantum physics concedes that matter is just a different state of energy. But what it all really boils down to is the fact that all energy is just different forms of Light.

And that's a plain English word-by-word analysis of Ephesians 5:13?

I'm lost for words. We don't speak the same language at all, do we.

spot;1296950 wrote: And that's a plain English word-by-word analysis of Ephesians 5:13?

I'm lost for words. We don't speak the same language at all, do we.


All you have to remember is that the ultimate form of all energy is Light. Light can be transformed into matter and back again into energy.

spot;1296950 wrote:

I'm lost for words. We don't speak the same language at all, do we.


i agree with that statement.....gibberish!



@tb.....id like to know if you have any thoughts about things like the US government being behind 9/11 or the moon landing are fake

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TruthBringer;1296956 wrote: All you have to remember is that the ultimate form of all energy is Light. Light can be transformed into matter and back again into energy.


Since you insist on arguing about photons and I hate to see inaccuracy that's not in the slightest bit true. Matter and energy are interchangeable, they're equivalent, they're alternates, neither is primary or fundamental, neither has precedence and I don't even think you'll find any representation of the Big Bang which regards photons as existing before matter either. The "ultimate" is entirely your own invention.

spot;1296967 wrote: Since you insist on arguing about photons and I hate to see inaccuracy that's not in the slightest bit true. Matter and energy are interchangeable, they're equivalent, they're alternates, neither is primary or fundamental, neither has precedence and I don't even think you'll find any representation of the Big Bang which regards photons as existing before matter either. The "ultimate" is entirely your own invention.


I told you science doesn't quite grasp the entire concept yet. But it is true. And matter IS energy. Along with everything else. I just use the word matter with energy side by side to separate solid physical matter from the non physical. Even though they are both Energy. But all energy is Light Energy. Photons are only one form of that Light Energy. We have limited knowledge in this field at present. But it will one day be understood. In fact, many of the technologies of the future will be based off of what we learn about Light and how to utilize the different properties of it.

Perhaps we could call this faith-based science?

spot;1297107 wrote: Perhaps we could call this faith-based science?


If that's what you want to call it.

TruthBringer;1296943 wrote: Ok I will do my best.....

Simply stated, Light is nature's way of transferring energy through space. In order to create solid matter (all things material living or non living), energy had to have first been transferred through this very same process. We can complicate it by talking about interacting electric and magnetic fields, quantum mechanics, and all of that, but just remember--Light is energy.

Light is more generally referred to as electromagnetic radiation. But too often when we say "Light" it is mistaken to mean "optical Light," which is roughly the radiation visible to our eyes. Visible Light is only a tiny portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. One can break this up into different sections and refer to them by name, such as gamma-rays, X-rays, ultraviolet, optical, infrared, and radio. However, it is important to remember that they are all just Light. There are no "breaks" and no hard boundaries in the electromagnetic spectrum--just a continuous range of energy.

If we take the premise that everything in the Universe originated from the "Big Bang" which is the current scientific view, then we must understand that it was the Light in which everything came forth from and that it was this Light which had exploded in the “Big Bang under its own intense and overpowering force. The Light was then slowed down until it became slow enough to assume the characteristics of “matter and formed the fundamental particles, and later, the elementary particles that make up all matter that we see or know to exist in the Universe.

Modern day quantum physics concedes that matter is just a different state of energy. But what it all really boils down to is the fact that all energy is just different forms of Light.


Dude, you're basing your "conclusion" off of the premise "light" is the most powerful "phenomena"...Light is a perceived reaction of the energy process.

If "light is the most powerful phenomena" then what are black holes? Why is light unable to escape the gravitational pull of black holes if "light is the most powerful phenomena"?

spot;1296890 wrote: Nobody can discuss these matters without an agreed common vocabulary.


I knew exactly what he meant sans definitions. Some things dont need to be dissected spock. The light that shines in us is the thing that makes life worth living.

Dont argue just shine my little spocky.

The Light is the Life, the Truth, and the Way. Jesus said He was a form of Light, and He stated that so were you, and everything else. That's all you need to know for the moment, because the rest will be revealed in due time.

But I'll leave it at that for now guys. I have many other things I need to finish and have been lagging on. There was a decent sized quake in California today but nothing like compared to what's coming for there and other parts of the World, so I need to start getting my information out faster before I'm too late with it.

Was nice chatting with you all though on this subject. I enjoyed probing the depths of Spirituality with all of you.