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YZGI;1307837 wrote: Ahso, no disrespect intended but you really have a need to completely control your threads don't you? Sometimes threads go into many different directions, that is no need to grab your ball and go. Without the ball, the game can't be played you know?Thanks for that, YZGI. No offense taken. I haven't gone anywhere except I've accepted the reality that the thread will be used as anyone wants to use it.

I do think its important that a thread stay focused and the posters remain on topic. It doesn't take much to veer off in any direction and some of that can be tolerated, but it should be brought back to its intended discussion when reminded. I veer off too at times and need to be reminded. Thats what moderators should be for in my view, to remind us when we've gone astray and guide us back to relevant posts and split threads and keep things orderly. Unfortunately in FG there doesn't seem to be a willingness to do this. I've reported a few posts recently, not to get people infractions but rather hoping the moderators will inform the offending poster that they must remain on topic instead of changing the intent of the threads. Offending posts need not be trashed, but they can be given their own thread or be put in the proper thread.

There happens to be a small number of people here who choose to do this at will because there are no consequences to it.

Ahso!;1307841 wrote: Thanks for that, YZGI. No offense taken. I haven't gone anywhere except I've accepted the reality that the thread will be used as anyone wants to use it.

I do think its important that a thread stay focused and the posters remain on topic. It doesn't take much to veer off in any direction and some of that can be tolerated, but it should be brought back to its intended discussion when reminded. I veer off too at times and need to be reminded. Thats what moderators should be for in my view, to remind us when we've gone astray and guide us back to relevant posts and split threads and keep things orderly. Unfortunately in FG there doesn't seem to be a willingness to do this. I've reported a few posts recently, not to get people infractions but rather hoping the moderators will inform the offending poster that they must remain on topic instead of changing the intent of the threads. Offending posts need not be trashed, but they can be given their own thread or be put in the proper thread.

There happens to be a small number of people here who choose to do this at will because there are no consequences to it.


We most certainly need more strict government control here.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

hoppy;1307846 wrote: We most certainly need more strict government control here.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotflSee case in point. I've just reported this post in the hope Hoppy will eventually get the message that wise-ass, irrelevant remarks are not welcomed in my threads. But I doubt he'll get that message, or at least heed it.

Because the word 'control' is in his post Hoppy thinks there is relevance to it. There isn't but he will never be taught how to behave properly on this forum because no one in authority is willing to teach him.

You want a police state. Admit it.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Ahso, YOU are the one who follows me around the board making your remarks designed to goad me into argument. Just put me on ignore, WTF. You do know how to do that, don't you?

hoppy;1307859 wrote: Ahso, YOU are the one who follows me around the board making your remarks designed to goad me into argument. Just put me on ignore, WTF. You do know how to do that, don't you?Untrue. I've not been victimizing you. Thats your imagination. Why is it then you permit me to have control over you? Just don't be goaded if thats what you think I do.

As of now ahso is on my ignore list. Bye-bye ahso.:yh_rotfl

Ahso!;1307841 wrote: I haven't gone anywhere except I've accepted the reality that the thread will be used as anyone wants to use it.

I do think its important that a thread stay focused and the posters remain on topic. It doesn't take much to veer off in any direction and some of that can be tolerated, but it should be brought back to its intended discussion when reminded. I veer off too at times and need to be reminded. Thats what moderators should be for in my view, to remind us when we've gone astray and guide us back to relevant posts and split threads and keep things orderly. Unfortunately in FG there doesn't seem to be a willingness to do this. I've reported a few posts recently, not to get people infractions but rather hoping the moderators will inform the offending poster that they must remain on topic instead of changing the intent of the threads. Offending posts need not be trashed, but they can be given their own thread or be put in the proper thread.




IMHO, threads belong to FG and not to the OP. Do you really expect moderators to go into each and every thread created to see if they are "on track" or not? If you create a thread and it's going South then try to bring it back on "track." If you can't and don't like the direction the thread is going in then leave the thread. Some OP's seem to think they have the power to tell members what they can and cannot post in their threads. I've learned that sometimes when a thread goes off topic it becomes more interesting. We all come here with different opinions and objectives but the bottom line is people need to stop taking things so personally and just have fun.

Jazzy;1307872 wrote: IMHO, threads belong to FG and not to the OP. Do you really expect moderators to go into each and every thread created to see if they are "on track" or not? If you create a thread and it's going South then try to bring it back on "track." If you can't and don't like the direction the thread is going in then leave the thread. Some OP's seem to think they have the power to tell members what they can and cannot post in their threads. I've learned that sometimes when a thread goes off topic it becomes more interesting. We all come here with different opinions and objectives but the bottom line is people need to stop taking things so personally and just have fun. :)Perhaps being part of a meaningful conversation that remains on topic is having fun for some of us. If a thread begins to veer off someone should have the presence of mind to start a new topic and if they neglect to then there is nothing wrong with the thread starter requesting amoderator to do it instead. Thats how its done in many other forums.

Ahso!;1307881 wrote: Perhaps being part of a meaningful conversation that remains on topic is having fun for some of us. If a thread begins to veer off someone should have the presence of mind to start a new topic and if they neglect to then there is nothing wrong with the thread starter requesting amoderator to do it instead. Thats how its done in many other forums.


Maybe that's why other forums are little fun, have little friendship between members and forum garden has a varied interesting range of members? Perhaps if you dislike the way the forum is, you may find solace in other forum instead of trying to change the way members have been posting for years without complaint?

For the record, i don't post here much but i do come on as a guest regually for a read and i love Hoppy's remarks. He's a funny guy who livens the place up so chill out ahso as i think your taking this all rather too seriously.

Peter Lake;1307907 wrote: Perhaps if you dislike the way the forum is, you may find solace in other forum instead of trying to change the way members have been posting for years without complaint?Which reminds me - How is the wife? But to remain on topic - that certainly is an option, isn't it.

Ahso!;1307936 wrote: Which reminds me - How is the wife? But to remain on topic - that certainly is an option, isn't it.
Sardonic reposts do not become you ahso but to stay on topic you will find most forums suffer from which you have complained. Even the gentle art of angling forums have their bashers and those who will take them off topic. It's accepting that forums are made up of people and people are different. We are not all the same nor think the same and where some see humour others don't. It's learning to accept people warts and all.

Peter Lake;1307950 wrote: to stay on topic you will find most forums suffer from which you have complained. Even the gentle art of angling forums have their bashers and those who will take them off topic. It's accepting that forums are made up of people and people are different. We are not all the same nor think the same and where some see humour others don't. It's learning to accept people warts and all.You are correct, but thats why we have administrators and moderators. Orderly conduct sometimes needs to be gently guided for most and more firmly for others.

Ahso!;1307956 wrote: You are correct, but thats why we have administrators and moderators. Orderly conduct sometimes needs to be gently guided for most and more firmly for others.


This is not a rigidly moderated forum and ensuring that every post is within the intent of the OP is not part of our remit.

Neither is it part of the thread starter's remit to dictate the course of a thread.

Bryn Mawr;1307961 wrote: This is not a rigidly moderated forum and ensuring that every post is within the intent of the OP is not part of our remit.

Neither is it part of the thread starter's remit to dictate the course of a thread.So, you're saying any assumption of a conversation remaining on topic should not be made? Is that stated anywhere?

Perhaps a forum where posts are required to remain on topic should be created? I don't see how the debating forum can meet that need unless its a formal debate which is not what we're talking about.

Ahso!;1307971 wrote: So, you're saying any assumption of a conversation remaining on topic should not be made? Is that stated anywhere?

Perhaps a forum where posts are required to remain on topic should be created? I don't see how the debating forum can meet that need unless its a formal debate which is not what we're talking about.


I'm saying that such an assumption cannot be enforced by the thread starter.

We used to have a formal debate area. Spot was in charge of it, I do not know if it exists anymore.

Bryn Mawr;1307975 wrote: I'm saying that such an assumption cannot be enforced by the thread starter.That is obvious. What do you think of my new forum idea?

chonsigirl;1307978 wrote: We used to have a formal debate area. Spot was in charge of it, I do not know if it exists anymore.Knowing Spot, I'd imagine he would be insistent on that forum being used exclusively for debating.

Ahso!;1307983 wrote: That is obvious. What do you think of my new forum idea?


Propose it - Ah, I see you have

Could be interesting, I'll support it just to see where it goes

Bryn Mawr;1307987 wrote: Propose it - Ah, I see you have

Could be interesting, I'll support it just to see where it goesThanks! Its probably the only forum I'd begin threads in unless I was searching for lite fare. In the mean time I'll stick to not starting any more threads for now.

Bryn Mawr;1307961 wrote: This is not a rigidly moderated forum


youre joking, surely?.......:yh_rotfl.......this is proving to be one of the most overbearingly moderated forums ive ever joined

and for the record i am a pretty experienced forum whore, i currently activly post on 9 forums including here........and i have been active on about 30 others but they have fallen by the way side....and i must have joined about a hundred or more others over the years but never took to them, i know the numbers since i keep all the bookmarks in a file marked 'forums'....im currently heading for 60k posts on my fave forum

oh...............and dont call me shirley :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Peter Lake;1307907 wrote: Maybe that's why other forums are little fun, have little friendship between members and forum garden has a varied interesting range of members?


o rly?

if this place is so much fun how come you dont come here more and enjoy it?...413 posts in nearly 2 years is not really participating in a forum, im less than 30 posts behind you and i havnt even been here 3 months!

ive only found a couple of people i have fun with here.....and one of those isnt here now ................in my short time here ive actually seen quite a lot of conflict between people :rolleyes:...which is something i am not used to on other forums i frequent (including one that has around 100 times the active number of posters than here)......i honestly find a lot of people dont seem to want to be friendly......certainly can seem hard to read things about people in posts, they dont give much away.....it wasnt til earlier tonight that i realised Spot is a guy!....up til now ive been thinking he is a she from reading his posts!!!!! :yh_rotfl

to be honest, this place could do with an injection of fun.....it kind of gets a bit dreary when the latest posts involve words beginning with a or p or w!.........or its some inane thread about complete rubbish by one of the tin foil hat brigade......i can see a dozen ways of creating fun threads i know from other places but ive tried that and dont want to be shot down in flames....again! :rolleyes:.......oh and ive heard the arguement of how this place is like it is cos its open to young uns down to 13.........when was the last time this place saw someone near that age?..........im afraid any one like that will be on other teenage forums actually having teenage fun, not on one with 'serious' discussion threads...to me it seems the majority of people on here are 50+

as for real friendship.........serious question.....has anybody on here actually met each other via the forum?.........ive met plenty elsewhere, in fact i ended up with a partner and 3 step kids and a gaggle of step grand kids cos of one forum! :yh_rotfl

Your last two posts are spot on, Beowulf !!!! Almost all the people I enjoyed being with have gone now. And there's very few kosher newbies arriving. Maybe this sort of forum is outdated, and people are migrating to the social networking style places where they can be their own moderators? I don't know. I'm still here. You're still here. We don't have to be. Why are we here? There must be something here we stay for. I am constantly searching for it. I do like the general format.

AussiePam;1308018 wrote: Why are we here? There must be something here we stay for.


to be honest, for me, even tho i ridicule it, its the trivia quiz....i like to do it in the morning when i first log on and am visiting all my regular sites.......and while im here doing it i have a quick look round......i tend to pop on 2/3 times a day when site hopping just for a nosy

beowulf;1308016 wrote: o rly?

if this place is so much fun how come you dont come here more and enjoy it?...413 posts in nearly 2 years is not really participating in a forum, im less than 30 posts behind you and i havnt even been here 3 months!

l I come here often but as i said earlier, usually just to read. You don't have to post on every thread in order to enjoy a forum. I have my reasons for not being able to be around much but wouldn't want to bore you.

wouldnt bore me at all.....like i said, people on here dont seem to give any thing away..........can be hard to gauge people

Peter Lake;1307907 wrote: Maybe that's why other forums are little fun, have little friendship between members and forum garden has a varied interesting range of members? Perhaps if you dislike the way the forum is, you may find solace in other forum instead of trying to change the way members have been posting for years without complaint?

For the record, i don't post here much but i do come on as a guest regually for a read and i love Hoppy's remarks. He's a funny guy who livens the place up so chill out ahso as i think your taking this all rather too seriously.


Thank you.

AussiePam;1308018 wrote: Your last two posts are spot on, Beowulf !!!! Almost all the people I enjoyed being with have gone now. And there's very few kosher newbies arriving. Maybe this sort of forum is outdated, and people are migrating to the social networking style places where they can be their own moderators? I don't know. I'm still here. You're still here. We don't have to be. Why are we here? There must be something here we stay for. I am constantly searching for it. I do like the general format.




I agree with you and Beowulf Pam. I know that many of us have been trying to figure out why members are not posting too often anymore.



I love Forum Garden...as they say warts and all:D and don't want to leave here. I've looked at a lot of other sites and to me FG is at the top of my list. We have a lot of members here who have strong opinions, and that creates problems sometimes with members who disagree with them.



I still feel that a part of our apathy is that many of us have known each other cyberly for years, and like siblings have had our feelings hurt and issues not resolved. Many members left because they felt unwelcomed and ignored....others have been harassed by some bullies here.



I know that I've deleted a few posts in some threads during the last few days and have decided to stop doing that. I have to become less sensitive and roll with the punches..



I personally stay as a FG member because I love this place. I have fond memories of all the good times we've had in the past and hope that former members begin to return.



I'd like to have fun here...open the pub again and enjoy meeting again for a drink or some pub grub....wish more people were interested.....

Peter Lake;1308020 wrote: I come here often but as i said earlier, usually just to read. You don't have to post on every thread in order to enjoy a forum. I have my reasons for not being able to be around much but wouldn't want to bore you.


Which reminds me...give the mrs my best. I meant to post in another thread and got called away by work. Let her know I'm thinking of her:-6

Thread Control



Its a problem, no question. I have a terrible time threading a needle. My fingers are clumsy, I have poor dexterity and damnit that hole in the needle is just to small !

If theres a solution Im sure I dont know what it is.

Nomad;1308049 wrote: Thread Control



Its a problem, no question. I have a terrible time threading a needle. My fingers are clumsy, I have poor dexterity and damnit that hole in the needle is just to small !

If theres a solution Im sure I dont know what it is.


here ya go. glad to help. that's what I'm here for after all.:-6:D

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flopstock;1308064 wrote: here ya go. glad to help. that's what I'm here for after all.:-6:D




Problem solved.

You are the rockingest.

Should this thread now go to the sewing forum?





Do we have a sewing forum?????

AussiePam;1308068 wrote: Should this thread now go to the sewing forum?









Do we have a sewing forum?????


I believe spock started a how to knit your own ties without looking like a dork topic some time ago.

What's knitting your own ties got to do with threading a needle- or for that matter mr spock avoiding looking like a dork?? Please stay on topic - or you'll be swept away!!!!

:sneaky:

beowulf;1308016 wrote: o rly?

if this place is so much fun how come you dont come here more and enjoy it?...413 posts in nearly 2 years is not really participating in a forum, im less than 30 posts behind you and i havnt even been here 3 months!

ive only found a couple of people i have fun with here.....and one of those isnt here now ................in my short time here ive actually seen quite a lot of conflict between people :rolleyes:...which is something i am not used to on other forums i frequent (including one that has around 100 times the active number of posters than here)......i honestly find a lot of people dont seem to want to be friendly......certainly can seem hard to read things about people in posts, they dont give much away.....it wasnt til earlier tonight that i realised Spot is a guy!....up til now ive been thinking he is a she from reading his posts!!!!! :yh_rotfl

to be honest, this place could do with an injection of fun.....it kind of gets a bit dreary when the latest posts involve words beginning with a or p or w!.........or its some inane thread about complete rubbish by one of the tin foil hat brigade......i can see a dozen ways of creating fun threads i know from other places but ive tried that and dont want to be shot down in flames....again! :rolleyes:.......oh and ive heard the arguement of how this place is like it is cos its open to young uns down to 13.........when was the last time this place saw someone near that age?..........im afraid any one like that will be on other teenage forums actually having teenage fun, not on one with 'serious' discussion threads...to me it seems the majority of people on here are 50+

as for real friendship.........serious question.....has anybody on here actually met each other via the forum?.........ive met plenty elsewhere, in fact i ended up with a partner and 3 step kids and a gaggle of step grand kids cos of one forum! :yh_rotfl


I havent joined many other forums, bewoulf, but, like FG they seem to move in cycles...sometimes good, sometimes not so good, sometimes popular and at others not.

I met up with a lot of FG members when we had a meet in London and I found them to be genuine and friendly people. During an ill-fated trip to America a few years ago, I was befriended by a number of our American members who were willing to do anything for me that would have made my visit easier. I consider all these people friends.

I too have confused the gender of posters on here when I was a new member but it was quite amusing when I found out. And, I think it is people's prerogative as to how much they give away on a forum. For me, before I open up I need to know that people are genuine and not hiding behind a variety of different user names or taking the p*** by being disingenious.

Founder or long time members come and go (as I did for a while when real life took over) and its always good to see them back. Numbers of posts are unimportant when compared to seeing an "old" face posting again.

Bewoulf, I have seen conflicts on here that pale into insignificance when compared to those on other forums I have briefly visited. But then, that just my view.

Who are the tin foil hat brigade? So called inane posts can be a source of hilarity to some, though not to others. Our sense of humour varies from person to person, thats just how us humans are.

Its good to see you on the Trivia game and in the threads, Bewoulf. Some of your quiz comments make me giggle. Stay around and get to know FG and I feel sure you'll make some good friends. :-6

theia;1308072 wrote:



Who are the tin foil hat brigade?


Really?

You really dont know?

Jesus Theia.

Nomad;1308073 wrote: Really?

You really dont know?

Jesus Theia.




She is a foreigner ya know..:yh_whistl:yh_whistl

flopstock;1308074 wrote: She is a foreigner ya know..:yh_whistl:yh_whistl


All my hard work........

Nomad;1308073 wrote: Really?

You really dont know?

Jesus Theia.


Well??

theia;1308076 wrote: Well??


*sigh*

You've really hurt me this time my good friend.

flopstock;1308074 wrote: She is a foreigner ya know..:yh_whistl:yh_whistl


Hey, flops and nomad, I want sympathy not frivolity, certainly not humour. I've been up since 03.45 after a 4 hour dental appt yesterday that has left me with severe pain. I shall create severe conflict here if you carry on, and when I say conflict...just watch out kids

Nomad;1308078 wrote: *sigh*

You've really hurt me this time my good friend.


Love you :-4

I am "tinfoil man"

Its what Im known for. Its my niche. Ive gone to great lengths and spent many hours and many nights getting my "crazy on"

I thought everyone knew.

Im devastated.

Nomad;1308073 wrote: Really?

You really dont know?

Jesus Theia.


Jesus is Tinfoil Man !! Honestly, Nomad, don't encourage the anti-religionists!!!

Theia - let me make you a nice cup of tea!!!! And I promise not to make any jokes, or conflict you at all.... seriously, I do hope you mouth feels better very soon.

AussiePam;1308085 wrote: Jesus, is Tinfoil Man !! Honestly, Nomad, don't encourage the anti-religionists!!!

Theia - let me make you a nice cup of tea!!!! And I promise not to make any jokes, or conflict you at all.... seriously, I do hope you mouth feels better very soon.


Thanks, Pammie :-6

My daughter in law had to sort out my various pills last nights because I've also got sprained tendons in my right foot and soft tissue damage in my right hip...anti-inflammatory, analgesics, anti biotics, more pills to counteract any digestive problems the medication will cause...which to take with which and when...I felt so old...



Hang on, I AM old :-2



So, just to calm my befuddled mind, Jesus is Tin Foil Man? Or did Nomad mean me? Or is it Nomad? Or you, Pammie?

theia;1308087 wrote: Thanks, Pammie :-6

My daughter in law had to sort out my various pills last nights because I've also got sprained tendons in my right foot and soft tissue damage in my right hip...anti-inflammatory, analgesics, anti biotics, more pills to counteract any digestive problems the medication will cause...which to take with which and when...I felt so old...



Hang on, I AM old :-2



So, just to calm my befuddled mind, Jesus is Tin Foil Man? Or did Nomad mean me? Or is it Nomad? Or you, Pammie?


Ah, Sweetie.. so sorry you're so poorly. As for old, no goddess is ever OLD, as such.... just well-vintaged and improved (not that improvement would be possible in your case, of course, as you're already quintessentially wonderful).

AussiePam;1308089 wrote: Ah, Sweetie.. so sorry you're so poorly. As for old, no goddess is ever OLD, as such.... just well-vintaged and improved (not that improvement would be possible in your case, of course, as you're already quintessentially wonderful).


I second what Pam says, I hope you've got the pain under control now Theia. :-4

And I guess none of what has been going on here is a form of thread control.

There seems to be an idea in FG that when one or two long term members decide to trample on a thread its okay because more of you back the others up by participating. I don't think its right and it is definitely hindering growth here. But so be it. This is obviously the choice of management. Enjoy your deliberate destruction of yet another thread. There are a couple of you I am surprised at though, not that that matters.