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We Need To Redesign Every Level Of Society - We Need A Change

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:21 pm
by TruthBringer
I sincerely believe that we as Human Beings need to redefine every single level of our society and to change every single aspect of it from the ground up to better suit all of our physical and emotional needs.

I live in the same exact World that you do. If you live in a so called democratic society, we pretty much all experience the same type of environment on a daily basis. Every single problem that I can see that exists within our society is the same problems that by all logic MUST be effecting you in some way shape or form.

I have a picture of a World in my head. A World where everything that you crave emotionally is satisfied in a system that works for everyone. The problem with all of the World societies today is that we are told what kind of society we are going to get, through the media, through education, through the corporate World, through the government, through the laws that are created FOR us, and not necessarily by us.

The World I picture is a beautiful World. A World where every single person is free to build their own house, on an open space of land, without being taxed for building it, without having to pay for the land they build it on. I picture a World where all resources of the Earth are provided for each and every citizen freely and evenly so that nobody lacks what another person has, and so that every person can have access to the same things that everyone else has access to. There should be no "I have this and you don't" mentality in the World. It should be "Man, I have this awesome thing, you would love this. Would you like to have this? If so....we should make sure that you and everyone else who wants it can get it as well". That's the way it should be.

I picture a World where people work but they work for the common good of everyone else around them. I made a thread in a different section that went into the subject of free electricity. I do believe that all utilities (which are basic necessities for all Human Beings to keep their health up, to keep themselves clean, etc.) should be free for all Human Beings who live in that society. Now the only problem that some people have with that scenario is that they say, if all utilities are completely free, who would want to work and what would be the reason for it? How would the companies that provide for these utilities continue to provide them without a workforce?

Well I have an answer to that which to me is as simple as apple pie. Wouldn't you rather live in a World where you worked for 8-10 hours a day, just as you do now, and would still continue to receive your electricity, your water, your internet access, your television channels, your heat, your air conditioning, and all of those things, even if it meant that you didn't receive any "pay" (green pieces of toilet paper with presidents faces on them)? Wouldn't you (as I would) still choose to work in an environment where you never had to ever receive a bill in the mail for any of these things, but that you still continued to receive them, and in return for your free utilities, you just wouldn't receive worthless paper currency which is the cause of almost every single nations national debt?

What if....we did away with all paper currency. In the favor of labor. Labor would still be there. We would still work everyday just like we do now, nothing would change in that area, no productivity would be lost, but that instead of worrying ourselves to death over how we are going to pay our bills, we will trade our paper currency for labor, and give up our addiction to our currency for our productivity? This is the perfect scenario I have gone over in my head time and time again. Instead of receiving the $200 paycheck (a paycheck that gets weaker and weaker in purchasing power as the days pass on) that a person gets per week or whatever it is for working full time at a gas station, that instead of that, the person could trade that entire paycheck that they use to pay their bills with (which can be reduced in it's effectiveness by deflation, inflation, etc.), and if those problems were eliminated by trading that paycheck for free utilities and the right to live in their own house, with their own utilities, with their own yard, with their own family, with their own animals, with all of the things they want to live with, that they could do all of those things without having to use an indebted currency to pay for them with?

I bet...that if you were to ask any citizen, anywhere, whether they would work the same hours, or even a couple more, per day, if the trade off was that they would never have to see another bill for any of the things they use on a daily basis again, that most if not all would agree to that in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't accept that deal? I know I sure would. And I would put my money on the fact that everyone else would accept that deal as well. Some people say, no, if everything was free, nobody would choose to work. I disagree, I believe that if the mental stress of working for pennies on the dollar and receiving a paycheck that most people depend on every single pay period (and worry constantly about the day that they stop receiving it), that if that process was entirely eliminated in the favor of working for the right to use all of the things we need to live a healthy, full filled lifestyle, that most people would opt for that instead of the current system we have today.

So what am I advocating? It's simple. I advocate that our system as it is currently operating is not only not working, but that it is slowly beginning to crash, and that soon it will show itself to be obsolete. I advocate that every person in a country like America, should be given the option to live wherever a place is open for occupancy, as long as they agree to work a set amount of hours per day, for whatever company it is that has a position available. Even if it means working 10 hours a day instead of 8. As long as the trade off is complete peace of mind, complete tranquility, and the right to feel comfortable with your own Life.

This is what I dream about for the World. One thing I know for sure, is that societies are slowly moving in this direction. If you look at society from the beginning of the metropolis environment, going all the way back to the first ones created, you will notice that even though Rome started to move in this direction, with more things available for the citizens, with less restrictions on living the way a person wanted to live, with the added benefit of technology increasing as well (even though Rome had many many problems of it's own - problems that we have since corrected), than you will notice that since the Roman days, societies have been slowly improving around the World. There are less and less restrictions on society and on the individual, which is a good thing (although there have been times in history where for whatever reason a government or tyrannical leader chose to go backwards and clamp down on it's citizens), but for the most part I see the World slowly creeping towards the day where every citizen is treated fairly and given the freedom to feel more and more comfortable with their Life. To feel safer, healthier, happier, and more fulfilled.

Unfortunately, at the moment, it does appear that the American Government is falling into one of those periods where for whatever reason they are attempting to move backwards in this process instead of forwards, and are slowly starting to clamp down on the American citizens and their right to a happy Life. This is not a good thing at all, and as it has always been in the past, no matter how far the American Government chooses to go in this direction, sooner or later, they will stop moving backwards and start moving forwards again. This is because this is what every individual craves, the right to have the freedom to live the Life that they would like to live, a freedom that I believe is completely natural and God given, and should not ever be tramped upon by any outside entity. Yes, there should be laws put in place to protect citizens from certain types of behavior, but there should be no restrictions on anything that doesn't hurt another individual but that a person utilizes to make their live more enriched and full. Those things are only positive, and can't hurt anyone else in the process.

The World I dream about is not Heaven, but it is a model of Heaven. It will never be complete Bliss, but it can be a piece of that Bliss. It can be everything we ever wanted it to be. And there is no reason why it couldn't be. Everything else could be built around this model, all other aspects of society could be taken care of after. For example, people would say, ok well, what about other services and goods that are offered by companies that provide them? Such as beer, such as gambling, such as movies, etc. How would we receive those with the "work for what you get" system that I envision and not the "pay for what you get whether you worked for the green toilet paper that you are using to pay for it or not - whether you stole it, blackmailed for it, stepped over someone else to get it" system that we have today.

There could be work hour credits, or time credits, that people could use to purchase the goods of today. Perhaps if a person worked an extra 2 hours every day per week, than they would rack up some "work credits" that could be used to purchase the goods that they want to purchase. Perhaps once a person has racked up say 10 extra hours per week (aside from the hours that apply to the free utilities that they receive in their living quarters), perhaps those extra 10 "work credits" could be applied to purchase goods. And a system could be put in place where 10 work credits could have a hell of a lot more purchasing power than the $10 of toilet paper that we use today. Perhaps the extra 10 work credits could be used to buy what we would today use around $200-300 to purchase with the worthless currencies that are falling apart that we use today. And why not? What would be wrong with that scenario? That would be enough to cover food, fun, and educational activities that we all partake in anyways (because remember, under this system, there would be NO bills). Folk, it's the same concept as when a dollar at one time went a hell of a lot further than it does today.

As long as everyone continued to work at the same pace as we once were in America when this country was at it's peak productivity level and when more people had jobs than didn't. The reason that alot of people in America are losing their jobs today is because companies don't have enough dyed green toilet paper to give them (because the currency system is literally falling apart), and so they have to reduce their workforce. But if the currency system of today was entirely eliminated, in favor of productivity through just working in the same exact way as we do today, but under a different system that works better than the one we have today, than I do believe that the World would be a "better place" to live in. And it really wouldn't be hard to implement it. If Jobs only had to hire people and not "Pay them with paper", then they could hire as many people as they needed, and they wouldn't have to reduce their workforce. And if people could work without having to pay a single bill, and without having to be taxed in any way shape or form for their productivity, than they would have no problem working under a system like that and I know that they would be willing to work without "pay" in order to live the kind of lifestyle that they would be happy with. And they would not need to worry about ever being "layed off" due to the company they work for having a lack of toiler paper to provide them with.

It's a beautiful system and it could work. 95% of the system is already in place, the only thing keeping us back from having a 100% reality of this type of system is the bankrupted currency that we use today, and a currency system period for that matter. The other thing holding it back is that we are only allowed to experience a reality like this at the moment if we are given permission to do so. By whom? By other Human Beings who have decided that they will control our destiny - aka - the Federal Reserve, the Government, etc. The bottom line is that these people have way way way way way way too much say over our Life, and they should not have this much power. The power needs to be put back into the hands of the individual. Each individual. With a basic system of laws created to protect the individual, and to serve the individuals needs - as long as they are healthy and not counter productive to society.

We could live under a much better system. We could morph into it and still keep many of the greatest parts of the system we have today (the Constitution, etc.). This could be a reality. The only thing stopping us from having it is us. If we don't let our voices be known that this is what we want, that our current system doesn't work and that WE want to redesign it for OURSELVES, and not have a handful of political officials determine it for us, than we could hold town meetings to agree on certain aspects of the new system, but in the end, we could all come to an agreement on a better system that WE THE PEOPLE have created, one that WE ALL decided on, and our governments job would be to therefore be in charge of helping us to implement it. And not the other way around like it is today.

We Need To Redesign Every Level Of Society - We Need A Change

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:34 pm
by Nomad
So everyone gets a motorcyle, a boat, ocean cruises, large flat screen tv's, a vacation home in the mountains, top of the line audio equiptment, the same type of house with equally elegant furnishings etc.?

What about the business owners, are they only entitled to the same wage and level of comfort as the people they employ?

What if I patent a super microchip that revolutionizes communication, do I have to share the rewards?

Equal land holdings?

Is there 1st cass seating for everyone on the plane?

How do we equate equality between those that excel at their profession and are offered a higher position with the one that is content emptying trash cans?

Does a McDonalds fry cook earn the same wages as a CEO of a large bio tech firm?

We Need To Redesign Every Level Of Society - We Need A Change

Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:52 pm
by TruthBringer
Nomad;1312767 wrote: So everyone gets a motorcyle, a boat, ocean cruises, large flat screen tv's, a vacation home in the mountains, top of the line audio equiptment, the same type of house with equally elegant furnishings etc.?

What about the business owners, are they only entitled to the same wage and level of comfort as the people they employ?

What if I patent a super microchip that revolutionizes communication, do I have to share the rewards?

Equal land holdings?

Is there 1st cass seating for everyone on the plane?

How do we equate equality between those that excel at their profession and are offered a higher position with the one that is content emptying trash cans?

Does a McDonalds fry cook earn the same wages as a CEO of a large bio tech firm?


In answer to all of this, it depends on how many bundles of "10 work credits" you have accumulated. If you only have accumulated 1 bundle, than you would have enough to get no more than the groceries you want for 1 to 2 weeks, or enough to go out and drink some beer with your buddies at the bar - for as much as $200-300 would last you for the week, or all together it would be enough to buy an xbox 360, or to go to the strip bar, or, to do anything else that $200-300 would get you today.

If you have say, 3 bundles of "10 work credits" stored up, now you're getting more into the area of the big screen tv, the elegant furnishings, etc. But it would most likely take a person 3 weeks of working an extra 2 hours a day to do so, just as it does today. Only you wouldn't be using sweaty pieces of dry crumply paper to achieve them with, it would be your own productivity and time in the form of "credits" that would allow you to receive such things.

As far as the House was concerned, I believe that there should be basic sized houses/apartment complexes built for every single citizen in the country. Basic houses/apartment complexes to fit the needs of their families. And that they should not be taxed for having a roof over their head, or for living in these types of houses. There are already government programs in place today that provide for poor families, but they still haven't solved the problem of homelessness, and there are huge waiting lists that could take years for these families to obtain a healthy living situation.

There should be no homeless people on the street for any other reason but their own choice or mental illness. There is no excuse for people to be without a roof. There are too many abandoned buildings that could be converted into housing, too many houses way too big for the people living in them, too many ways to change Homelessness for it still to be a problem.

You mentioned equality. We should all be striving for equality on every level. If someone worked a little harder for their bundles of "work credits", than that person should be able to use those credits to get whatever it is that they want, even if it means that the guy next store who doesn't have as many work credits stored up won't be able to get the same item just yet (however I'm sure he won't be complaining with his free utilities, free television, and free internet access) anyways. He'll probably just wait until he worked as much for his credits as you did.

We Need To Redesign Every Level Of Society - We Need A Change

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:52 am
by LarsMac
TB,

You have much more faith in the human creature than I do.

Good luck with that.

We Need To Redesign Every Level Of Society - We Need A Change

Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 8:16 pm
by Nomad
No they do not, what the question is though is just what do they produce? What purpose does the CEO serve, what does he produce? Is he necessary? How do you justify what he is paid?


To most of us no hes probably not worth it but the fact that the board is willing to pay him his millions then yes he is worth it. Is the catcher of a baseball team worth a multi million dollar contract? Apparently so. As long as the person writing the check can justify it then consider it justified.



I dont think TB's proposal makes sense in any manner. Haves and have nots are determined by the will to succeed. In turn they provide income for those less inclined to take risks yet naturally have a desire to survive.

Risk takers need non risk takers and vice versa but the risk taker holds the advantage and should rightfully reap the rewards just as he would take the fall should he fail.



I do believe that the system in the west has serious and debilitating flaws also. What have we produced for the betterment of the human species in the long run? Viagra?


Of course we have flaws, why wouldnt we have flaws? Its not in the realm of human nature to be flawless. Its an impossibility.

Your last statement is kind of generic. We have made tremendous leaps in medicine and technology in the last 30 years. You and I are communicating instantly from great distances. The whole world is connected. Thats not amazing anymore? We have the ability to clone DNA, fabricate life from a single cell. We can download the entire Congressional Library from our homes. We watch our government make laws live.

We have cars that run on batteries, super windmills are popping up all over the place. We have a space station orbiting Earth. We have a telescope in the sky that can see the inception of stars millions of light years away. The list is endless.





We still have not produced a cure for cancer nor have we used our power to significantly change the politics of the world, we still use oil for gods sake. We are no better or worse than we were 30 years ago. We have not progressed.


Nonsense. Oil is one of our resources, of course we consume oil. Politics like religion or any other degree sorting out our affairs will always be messy. 50% of the population sees it this way, 50% sees it that way. Our power? Whos power? Who is right and who is wrong? Who should determine that?

Nah...you didnt think it all the way through.