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Just wondering how many members that have criticized the current moderation team would be willing to volunteer to replace a member on that team. We need 12people who are willing to take insults, cronic complainers, members telling you how you should be doing your job, being accused of favoritism, dealing with spammers and trolls. That's only half of the responsibilities you'll find the others once you volunteer.

We now need 12 members to sign up. The only rule is that you cannot have been a previous moderator here.

Any volunteers?

Jazzy;1316622 wrote: Just wondering how many members that have criticized the current moderation team would be willing to volunteer to replace a members on that team. We need 12 people who are willing to take insults, cronic complainers, members telling you how you should be doing your job, being accused of favoritism, dealing with spammers and trolls. That's only half of the responsibilities you'll find the others once you volunteer.



We now need 12 members to sign up. The only rule is that you cannot have been a previous moderator here.



Let's start the list...
I'd rather poke meself in me own eye.





Have I stated yet that I think the Mods do a wonderful job?

Jazzy;1316622 wrote: Just wondering how many members that have criticized the current moderation team would be willing to volunteer to replace a member on that team. We need 12people who are willing to take insults, cronic complainers, members telling you how you should be doing your job, being accused of favoritism, dealing with spammers and trolls. That's only half of the responsibilities you'll find the others once you volunteer.

We now need 12 members to sign up. The only rule is that you cannot have been a previous moderator here.

Any volunteers?Whats your point?

Are you suggesting its altruistic to volunteer to do such a job?

It sounds like only a fool would do it?

Jazzy;1316622 wrote: Just wondering how many members that have criticized the current moderation team would be willing to volunteer to replace a member on that team. We need 12people who are willing to take insults, cronic complainers, members telling you how you should be doing your job, being accused of favoritism, dealing with spammers and trolls. That's only half of the responsibilities you'll find the others once you volunteer.



We now need 12 members to sign up. The only rule is that you cannot have been a previous moderator here.



Any volunteers?
It's not the Mods who are the problem, its the members who constantly complain to them.

il do it

You are a man of great wisdom YZGI.





[QUOTE]It's not the Mods who are the problem, its the members who constantly complain to them.
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el guapo;1316633 wrote: il do it


you'd make a great one!:guitarist

Odie;1316637 wrote: you'd make a great one!:guitarist


a gr8 what tho

YZGI;1316629 wrote: It's not the Mods who are the problem, its the members who constantly complain to them.YZGI;1316582 wrote: Why can't the moderators just quit handing out infractions and quit composting threads? They are not paid employees of TS. They can deal with the spam and won't have to make judgement calls on the members.
CARLA;1316636 wrote: You are a man of great wisdom YZGI.
:rolleyes:

so am i a mod now wheres me mug n tee shirt when go i get the modding powers

wheres me office and do i get a fancy chair

:wah: Well he had a change of heart.



I will glady give my seat up as MOD to anyone who wants it El Guapo you can step in and I will step out not a problem no worries. I think a new list has to be sent to TS for approval. I see no problem with changing the MOD's at all. It is a difficult job and I will admit I'm a bit worn out at the moment with my real life job and life, new members in the MOD area excellent idea.

CARLA;1316644 wrote: :wah: Well he had a change of heart.



I will glady give my seat up as MOD to anyone who wants it El Guapo you can step in and I will step out not a problem no worries. I think a new list has to be sent to TS for approval. I see no problem with changing the MOD's at all. It is a difficult job and I will admit I'm a bit worn out at the moment with my real life job and life, new members in the MOD area excellent idea.


cool do i get a locker

el guapo;1316645 wrote: cool do i get a locker


No, but you would need a large bottle of Excedrine migraine.

i would like to take the option to decline the offer, thankyou very much



ive been in the military..............rule 1.....never volunteer for anything :yh_rotfl

*is that Jazzy laughing i hear?*



to be honest, being a mod here should be a piece of cake...............try being a mod on a board that has 1000+ members online at once and where 40+ spammers and trouble makers are banned everyday ......my partner has done in the past, watched her do it.....glad things arnt like that now lol

YZGI;1316624 wrote: I'd rather poke meself in me own eye.




Id rather poke WYGZYG in the eye too.

I'll pass.

We should have a "Mod Appreciation Day". Wait.................it's today. Thank you Forum Garden Moderators for doing what you do. You are all awesome.

How can people talk this way? Moderators are clearly NOT awesome. The canning of a good thread yesterday showed that. At first it appeared it was just one over-eager moderator but she said it was a group decision. So while any of the current moderators are in office, no poster is going to feel able to express themselves again without being either censored, threatened or consigned to the cellar - where only elite members with passwords in Secret Five mode can creep down to see what the heck's going on.

Forum Garden can't prosper while there is this current repressive culture. If anyone says anything at all controversial - they are silenced.

Equally, Forum Garden can't prosper while there is this pervasive, juvenile "I'm going to tell the teacher on you" mode.

If we have to have moderators at all, in my opinion they should be restricted to dealing ONLY with spam, pornography or other SERIOUS breaches of TOS. If posters knew that their silly little squabbles were not reportable, they'd eventually get the message. And if moderators were not seen to be part of the gossipy, behind-the-scenes festerings, that would also help.

If Tombstone wants his forum alive and moderated, perhaps he should pay a neutral non-member to do it.

Members need to be able to speak, to express themselves without always looking over their shoulders. We need some "creative chaos" if you like, some fire. Why are we all so afraid of an occasional flare-up? If all possible risk is excised or sanitised, then it's Requiem time.

el guapo;1316645 wrote: cool do i get a locker


only if I can share.:wah:

Jazzy;1316622 wrote: Just wondering how many members that have criticized the current moderation team would be willing to volunteer to replace a member on that team. We need 12people who are willing to take insults, cronic complainers, members telling you how you should be doing your job, being accused of favoritism, dealing with spammers and trolls. That's only half of the responsibilities you'll find the others once you volunteer.

We now need 12 members to sign up. The only rule is that you cannot have been a previous moderator here.

Any volunteers?


Do you recruit idiots that have a really short fuse and blow up in spectacular fashion?

If so then I'm your man! :wah:

Just kidding.

Not for all the tea in China

Mods. Mods and Rockers. Quadrophenia. "The Mods Are Alright" (they're not kids).

Okay, I admit it, strange thinking......

"Don't wanna be a mod now baby, don't wanna be a mod,

Don't wanna be a mod now baby, don't wanna be...whined at, insulted, complained about, given a hard time and all at no payment"

:guitarist

Odie;1316763 wrote: only if I can share.:wah:


i may be losing weight but there still nor room for 2 off us but ya welcome to try

AussiePam;1316741 wrote: How can people talk this way? Moderators are clearly NOT awesome. The canning of a good thread yesterday showed that. At first it appeared it was just one over-eager moderator but she said it was a group decision. So while any of the current moderators are in office, no poster is going to feel able to express themselves again without being either censored, threatened or consigned to the cellar - where only elite members with passwords in Secret Five mode can creep down to see what the heck's going on.

Forum Garden can't prosper while there is this current repressive culture. If anyone says anything at all controversial - they are silenced.

Equally, Forum Garden can't prosper while there is this pervasive, juvenile "I'm going to tell the teacher on you" mode.

If we have to have moderators at all, in my opinion they should be restricted to dealing ONLY with spam, pornography or other SERIOUS breaches of TOS. If posters knew that their silly little squabbles were not reportable, they'd eventually get the message. And if moderators were not seen to be part of the gossipy, behind-the-scenes festerings, that would also help.

If Tombstone wants his forum alive and moderated, perhaps he should pay a neutral non-member to do it.

Members need to be able to speak, to express themselves without always looking over their shoulders. We need some "creative chaos" if you like, some fire. Why are we all so afraid of an occasional flare-up? If all possible risk is excised or sanitised, then it's Requiem time.


Agree entirely.



I love every word and even that full stop you've put at the end of each sentence.

As for the way you broke up the post into paragraphs, well.. Just genius. I think I love you more and more

AussiePam;1316741 wrote:

Members need to be able to speak, to express themselves without always looking over their shoulders. We need some "creative chaos" if you like, some fire. Why are we all so afraid of an occasional flare-up? If all possible risk is excised or sanitised, then it's Requiem time.


Oh, I say AP, what a super post!

AussiePam;1316741 wrote: How can people talk this way? Moderators are clearly NOT awesome. The canning of a good thread yesterday showed that. At first it appeared it was just one over-eager moderator but she said it was a group decision. So while any of the current moderators are in office, no poster is going to feel able to express themselves again without being either censored, threatened or consigned to the cellar - where only elite members with passwords in Secret Five mode can creep down to see what the heck's going on.

Forum Garden can't prosper while there is this current repressive culture. If anyone says anything at all controversial - they are silenced.

Equally, Forum Garden can't prosper while there is this pervasive, juvenile "I'm going to tell the teacher on you" mode.

If we have to have moderators at all, in my opinion they should be restricted to dealing ONLY with spam, pornography or other SERIOUS breaches of TOS. If posters knew that their silly little squabbles were not reportable, they'd eventually get the message. And if moderators were not seen to be part of the gossipy, behind-the-scenes festerings, that would also help.

If Tombstone wants his forum alive and moderated, perhaps he should pay a neutral non-member to do it.

Members need to be able to speak, to express themselves without always looking over their shoulders. We need some "creative chaos" if you like, some fire. Why are we all so afraid of an occasional flare-up? If all possible risk is excised or sanitised, then it's Requiem time.So, no rules whatsoever, Pam? No moderating at all other than spam and porn? What do you consider "SERIOUS" breaches of TOS (perhaps you could give an example or two)?

There are different forms of moderating. JREF is a pretty active debate forum and I think is run very well in terms of flexibility, though it is a forum where debate is sport. OTOH The Couch is a very small forum with good conversations and the owner moderates it in a way some may consider strict.

What I don't get is this idea that a forum must be highly active just to be active. I can see that from an ownership POV for advertising and in this case paid memberships, but I see no purpose at all in activity for the sake of activity. I think thats the main problem with this forum - theres no theme or meaning to it, its just post to post. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me quite honestly. I know I may get criticized for saying that with "then why did you want to come back?" The truth is I owed some people an apology and others gratitude.

I've always wondered what it would be like to be a mod on an anarchist forum. Having thought about it for a minute I came to the conclusion that they wouldn't actually have any mods.

el guapo;1316789 wrote: i may be losing weight but there still nor room for 2 off us but ya welcome to try


I've lost a lot of weight also, we can both fit:yh_rotfl

Jazzy;1316622 wrote: Just wondering how many members that have criticized the current moderation team would be willing to volunteer to replace a member on that team. We need 12people who are willing to take insults, cronic complainers, members telling you how you should be doing your job, being accused of favoritism, dealing with spammers and trolls. That's only half of the responsibilities you'll find the others once you volunteer.

We now need 12 members to sign up. The only rule is that you cannot have been a previous moderator here.

Any volunteers?Ahso! wrote: Whats your point?

Are you suggesting its altruistic to volunteer to do such a job?

It sounds like only a fool would do it?"Just wondering?" I don't think so! This poster refuses to return and discuss the purpose and meaning of the OP.

Hit and Run posting! Can't stand it!

Ahso!;1316828 wrote: "Just wondering?" I don't think so! This poster refuses to return and discuss the purpose and meaning of the OP.

Hit and Run posting! Can't stand it!


What part of the OP are you not understanding? It was a simple straight forward question asking if you wanted to sign up or not if given the opportunity. Well I guess if you can't stand hit and run posting you may not be a good candidate for this :wah:

Ahso!;1316828 wrote: "Just wondering?" I don't think so! This poster refuses to return and discuss the purpose and meaning of the OP.



Hit and Run posting! Can't stand it!


Here's a thought.... she has you on ignore



Here's another..... it's kinda obvious to the rest of us and she assumes you'll catch up on your own eventually



My personal favorite ...... she's leaving interpretation up to the individual rather then trying to get a response she'd prefer?



This reminds me ........ did you know I started using punctuation for pauses in my writing because I assumed it P.O.ed spot.... long long time ago..:wah:

Jazzy;1316835 wrote: What part of the OP are you not understanding? It was a simple straight forward question asking if you wanted to sign up or not if given the opportunity. Well I guess if you can't stand hit and run posting you may not be a good candidate for this :wah:No it wasn't, you qualified it. So I'll ask again;

Whats your point?

Are you suggesting its altruistic to volunteer to do such a job?

It sounds like only a fool would do it?

flopstock;1316836 wrote: Here's a thought.... she has you on ignoreWell, we now know thats not it.



flopstock;1316836 wrote: Here's another..... it's kinda obvious to the rest of us and she assumes you'll catch up on your own eventuallyDon't sell yourself so short



flopstock;1316836 wrote: My personal favorite ...... she's leaving interpretation up to the individual rather then trying to get a response she'd prefer?Thats great for art and this is anything but.



flopstock;1316836 wrote: This reminds me ........ did you know I started using punctuation for pauses in my writing because I assumed it P.O.ed spot.... long long time ago..:wah:Good one! Hows it working for you?

Ahso!;1316839 wrote: Well, we now know thats not it.



Don't sell yourself so short



Thats great for art and this is anything but.



Good one! Hows it working for you?




I don't think he even noticed and yet I fell into the habit.........:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Oh! Shes gone again, dodging the dialogue once more!

What?

People complain about the mods, here?

I can't understand why.

Seriously.

The mods here, IMHO, do an pretty darned good job.

And, no, thanks, I don't want the job.

It is obviously a thankless one, where people complain, no matter what you do.

I already have a job like that.

LarsMac;1316843 wrote: What?

People complain about the mods, here?

I can't understand why.

Seriously.

The mods here, IMHO, do an pretty darned good job.

And, no, thanks, I don't want the job.

It is obviously a thankless one, where people complain, no matter what you do.

I already have a job like that.But you're not flawed.

This site is owned and operated by Tombstone. Here are the rules we as MODS have to govern by. If you would like to join us in the task daily you are more than welcome. From my perspective rule 1.0 Be Civil need to be read several times by every member daily.





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AussiePam;1316741 wrote: How can people talk this way? Moderators are clearly NOT awesome. The canning of a good thread yesterday showed that. At first it appeared it was just one over-eager moderator but she said it was a group decision. So while any of the current moderators are in office, no poster is going to feel able to express themselves again without being either censored, threatened or consigned to the cellar - where only elite members with passwords in Secret Five mode can creep down to see what the heck's going on.



Forum Garden can't prosper while there is this current repressive culture. If anyone says anything at all controversial - they are silenced.



Equally, Forum Garden can't prosper while there is this pervasive, juvenile "I'm going to tell the teacher on you" mode.



If we have to have moderators at all, in my opinion they should be restricted to dealing ONLY with spam, pornography or other SERIOUS breaches of TOS. If posters knew that their silly little squabbles were not reportable, they'd eventually get the message. And if moderators were not seen to be part of the gossipy, behind-the-scenes festerings, that would also help.



If Tombstone wants his forum alive and moderated, perhaps he should pay a neutral non-member to do it.



Members need to be able to speak, to express themselves without always looking over their shoulders. We need some "creative chaos" if you like, some fire. Why are we all so afraid of an occasional flare-up? If all possible risk is excised or sanitised, then it's Requiem time.


I agree with a lot of this AP. Not so much the first paragraph, but a lot of the rest.

The group of mods that were available at the time some members decided to turn that thread into a playground fight, moved it off to compost. As the rest of us showed up, it was discussed and then replaced into the open air and light of day with the off topic crap removed. That was, of course, a wasted effort. Idiots will be idiots and no amount of wasted time on the part of the moderators will stop them being idiots. I suggest everyone just read around them like I try to.



We'd love to limit ourselves to the porn and spam. I specifically signed up for the porn.:p



Funny thing about the repressive culture, AP. New TOS went into effect(affect?) because of a few real jackasses who'd parked themselves in our world. Unfortunately, those new TOS had to be applied to everyone rather then just the jackasses in question. And so we lost folks who got hit and then just flamed out and we find ourselves still reading around the jackasses.:rolleyes:



Being a mod is not an awesome thing. It makes it impossible to have an opinion without some idiot deciding you are declaring policy and trying to work everyone into a frenzy over a non issue.



If I agree with you too much, it will be called favoritism, don't you know?

So I'll stop here....



and simply say I miss looking for your posts when I pop in here.:-4

CARLA;1316848 wrote: This site is owned and operated by Tombstone. Here are the rules we as MODS have to govern by. If you would like to join us in the task daily you are more than welcome. From my perspective rule 1.0 Be Civil need to be read several time by every member daily.You're correct of course, Carla, but do you understand members who have given a lot of their time and money to this forum and who are the life blood of it feel they should be heard and at least taken seriously enough to warrant a considered response by ownership? The dialogue of the recent past is only certain concerned members who are fighting for TS's own interests, and that being to increase membership again.

I don't think an obviously inflammatory thread such as this one (though I agree she has the right to present the thread) does much to inject any positive feedback into the events. Instead it is meant to divide. At least thats how I see it. We don't need to be lectured as in the OP about how sympathetic we should be toward you folks, nearly everyone agrees the moderators have a difficult job to do, but most of us are only attempting to offer up ideas on how to make that job easier and more conducive to the board's purpose and needs.

Also, I must say that with one or two or three exceptions everyone has handled themselves pretty good, IMO. Perhaps a mistake here or there but quickly made up for.

Not too bad for a bunch of internet forum whores.

I agree with you and I will do my personal best to get TS back here to address some of the concerns that membership and MOD's have that need attention.





You're correct of course, Carla, but do you understand members who have given a lot of their time and money to this forum and who are the life blood of it feel they should be heard and at least taken seriously enough to warrant a considered response by ownership? The dialogue of the recent past is only certain concerned members who are fighting for TS's own interests, and that being to increase membership again.

I don't think an obviously inflammatory thread such as this one (though I agree she has the right to present the thread) does much to inject any positive feedback into the events. Instead it is meant to divide. At least thats how I see it. We don't need to be lectured as in the OP about how sympathetic we should be toward you folks, nearly everyone agrees the moderators have a difficult job to do, but most of us are only attempting to offer up ideas on how to make that job easier and more conducive to the board's purpose and needs.

Also, I must say that with one or two or three exceptions everyone has handled themselves pretty good, IMO. Perhaps a mistake here or there but quickly made up for.

Not too bad for a bunch of internet forum whores.

CARLA;1316856 wrote: I agree with you and I will do my personal best to get TS back here to address some of the concerns that membership and MOD's have that need attention.
I can't hardly remember what the concerns were. If TS come back is he going to want to private chat with me again? It's really embarrassing..

:yh_rotfl I can't either, but will ask members what they are. Of course he will want a private chat with you.

YZGI;1316857 wrote: I can't hardly remember what the concerns were. If TS come back is he going to want to private chat with me again? It's really embarrassing..We're all trying to prevent Spot from leaving.

CARLA;1316858 wrote: :yh_rotfl I can't either, but will ask members what they are. Of course he will want a private chat with you.


:-5 I hope my wife isnt here on that day..:wah:



Ahso!;1316859 wrote: We're all trying to prevent Spot from leaving.
Very good Ahso, my first chuckle of the day..wait maybe my 8th chuckle. And here is a smiley for Spot.:yh_rotfl

Ahso!;1316859 wrote: We're all trying to prevent Spot from leaving.


he's not leaving.

Odie;1316861 wrote: he's not leaving.Thats the spirit, Odie.

Spot, you know I'm kidding.

Ahso!;1316863 wrote: Thats the spirit, Odie.

Spot, you know I'm kidding.


You have to have a positive spirit around here, if not, then you have a bad day and to many bad days makes Odie want to leave.

I can hear those mods cheer now!:yh_rotfl

Odie;1316864 wrote: You have to have a positive spirit around here, if not, then you have a bad day and to many bad days makes Odie want to leave.

I can hear those mods cheer now!:yh_rotflThey wouldn't dare, Odie. Not with now the knowledge of the thrashing we'll give them should they misbehave, according to the OP of this thread that is.

Ahso!;1316867 wrote: They wouldn't dare, Odie. Not with now the knowledge of the thrashing we'll give them should they misbehave, according to the OP of this thread that is.


oh there are many here who would be happy if I was gone.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

I'll decide more when my membership is up.

Odie;1316879 wrote: I'll decide more when my membership is up.


Might we enquire how long it has still to run, Odie?

spot;1316921 wrote: Might we enquire how long it has still to run, Odie?


your just dying to see me go eh?:yh_rotfl

AussiePam;1316741 wrote: How can people talk this way? Moderators are clearly NOT awesome. The canning of a good thread yesterday showed that. At first it appeared it was just one over-eager moderator but she said it was a group decision. So while any of the current moderators are in office, no poster is going to feel able to express themselves again without being either censored, threatened or consigned to the cellar - where only elite members with passwords in Secret Five mode can creep down to see what the heck's going on.

Forum Garden can't prosper while there is this current repressive culture. If anyone says anything at all controversial - they are silenced.

Equally, Forum Garden can't prosper while there is this pervasive, juvenile "I'm going to tell the teacher on you" mode.

If we have to have moderators at all, in my opinion they should be restricted to dealing ONLY with spam, pornography or other SERIOUS breaches of TOS. If posters knew that their silly little squabbles were not reportable, they'd eventually get the message. And if moderators were not seen to be part of the gossipy, behind-the-scenes festerings, that would also help.

If Tombstone wants his forum alive and moderated, perhaps he should pay a neutral non-member to do it.

Members need to be able to speak, to express themselves without always looking over their shoulders. We need some "creative chaos" if you like, some fire. Why are we all so afraid of an occasional flare-up? If all possible risk is excised or sanitised, then it's Requiem time.


Thank you, AussiePam, for expressing what I was REALLY thinking.