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The western Australian Government is about to introduce legislation that requires everyone to be organ donors unless you specifically request not to be.

Basically they are going to turn around the assumption that nobody is unless you specifically request to be one. (usually on your lisence, or you carry an organ donor card. )

So what does this mean for the average person? If your child dies in an accident? Well they can take it's organs without consultation with the family. Or If I die tomorow they can take my organs unless I get in first and tell them I'm a card carrying non organ donor..........Which leads me to the next question in my mind.....kWhat if doctors put me on an organ donor list because I need a new kidney and I'm a card carrying non donor? Will that mean I have no right to others organs?

And furthermore ....How is it that the government believes it owns my body unless I specifically tell them they don't. Shouldn't it be assumed that I'm a free person until I say otherwise?

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Bid to change WA organ donor laws to 'opt out' | Perth Now



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States Revising Organ-Donation Law - washingtonpost.com

I never much cared what they do with my parts after I am done with them, but, I am not really in favor of the opt-out method for something like this.

Leaves too much room for a ghastly error on the part of a hospital.

fuzzywuzzy;1339536 wrote: The western Australian Government is about to introduce legislation that requires everyone to be organ donors unless you specifically request not to be.

Basically they are going to turn around the assumption that nobody is unless you specifically request to be one. (usually on your lisence, or you carry an organ donor card. )

So what does this mean for the average person? If your child dies in an accident? Well they can take it's organs without consultation with the family. Or If I die tomorow they can take my organs unless I get in first and tell them I'm a card carrying non organ donor..........Which leads me to the next question in my mind.....kWhat if doctors put me on an organ donor list because I need a new kidney and I'm a card carrying non donor? Will that mean I have no right to others organs?

And furthermore ....How is it that the government believes it owns my body unless I specifically tell them they don't. Shouldn't it be assumed that I'm a free person until I say otherwise?Authorities make the assumption that you'd sacrifice in order to contribute to the survival of your species. That, and money probably has something to do with it.

LarsMac;1339554 wrote: I never much cared what they do with my parts after I am done with them, but, I am not really in favor of the opt-out method for something like this.

Leaves too much room for a ghastly error on the part of a hospital.What I object to is that a whole bunch of people are making good money on the deal and the family of the deceased is not compensated. That blows.

fuzzywuzzy;1339536 wrote: The western Australian Government is about to introduce legislation that requires everyone to be organ donors unless you specifically request not to be.

Basically they are going to turn around the assumption that nobody is unless you specifically request to be one. (usually on your lisence, or you carry an organ donor card. )

So what does this mean for the average person? If your child dies in an accident? Well they can take it's organs without consultation with the family. Or If I die tomorow they can take my organs unless I get in first and tell them I'm a card carrying non organ donor..........Which leads me to the next question in my mind.....kWhat if doctors put me on an organ donor list because I need a new kidney and I'm a card carrying non donor? Will that mean I have no right to others organs?

And furthermore ....How is it that the government believes it owns my body unless I specifically tell them they don't. Shouldn't it be assumed that I'm a free person until I say otherwise?


Given the number of deaths due to the shortage of doner organs it is a logical step - whether it is an ethical one I'm inclined to doubt. Certainly I would agree, if you positively elect not to allow your organs to be used after your death then you should be bottom of the pile when it comes to needing one yourself.

fuzzywuzzy;1339536 wrote: The western Australian Government is about to introduce legislation that requires everyone to be organ donors unless you specifically request not to be.

Basically they are going to turn around the assumption that nobody is unless you specifically request to be one. (usually on your lisence, or you carry an organ donor card. )

So what does this mean for the average person? If your child dies in an accident? Well they can take it's organs without consultation with the family. Or If I die tomorow they can take my organs unless I get in first and tell them I'm a card carrying non organ donor..........Which leads me to the next question in my mind.....kWhat if doctors put me on an organ donor list because I need a new kidney and I'm a card carrying non donor? Will that mean I have no right to others organs?

And furthermore ....How is it that the government believes it owns my body unless I specifically tell them they don't. Shouldn't it be assumed that I'm a free person until I say otherwise?


It shouldn't be up to any government, it should be up to you and you only.

In Canada, we sign the back of our drivers license if we want to donate.

I highly believe in donating organs so others can survive.

At the moment the remains belong to your relatives anyway. They can give or deny consent. It was always a bone of contention before I got married that my parent could override my wishes in the matter - she thought it was wrong.

It is open to abuse though.

So what does this mean for the average person? If your child dies in an accident?




On the other hand I don't know how I would fell about it if it was my child waiting on a transplant that could save her life.

I know someone who recently had a double lung transplant,, he is 29 now i think,, if he hadnt had it he would have been dead at least a year ago. Someone had died of course for him to be able to live, to me it means their death wasnt totally in vain, and i hope he (the recipient) makes it worth it and lives a good and decent life for the time he has.

I have no problem with them taking anything of mine, although im not sure there's anything worth taking now, but once im dead im dead,, whats the point of me keeping my body intact? im being cremated anyway.

fuzzywuzzy;1339536 wrote: So what does this mean for the average person? If your child dies in an accident? Well they can take it's organs without consultation with the family.That, I'm moderately certain, is inaccurate.



Firstly the proposal's only reached an early stage - "Health Minister Kim Hames has urged his department to prepare a discussion paper that will outline ways to introduce the opt-out system."

Secondly the initial mover of the proposal wants the register restricting to 18+: "The proposal came up in March by National Party MP Vince Catania, Liberal MP Joe Francis and Labor MP Martin Whitely. They wanted to introduce a private members bill to parliament. But after discussions with the trio, the Health Minister agreed to a government-backed investigation [...] According to Mr Catania everyone over the age of 18 should be automatically put on a national register and struck off only if they indicated their objection on their driver's licence. “But the ultimate decision would still rest with relatives of the deceased…Obviously not everyone has a driver's licence so that's an issue that would have to be addressed,” he said.

Change to WA organ donor laws tabled

Presumed consent: a distraction in the quest for increasing rates of organ donation -- Fabre et al. 341 -- bmj.com is worth reading too, in terms of current opt-in rates around the world. There's also the limiting factor of the number of intensive-care units capable of keeping a dying patient in a harvestable condition. Without increasing their number the transplant rates are effectively capped.

Not everyone has a drivers lisence .........Not everyone has relatives.......will we see those who are homeless , the poor , those that live on the cusp of society the main organ donors? Doesn't matter if you're over 18 you're still someones child. (I tend to put 18 years olds in the teen/child catagory) Now if I turned up to the hospital and my child had been pronounced dead does this mean that I'm not grieving a dead child but one they have kept going with machines because it's an automatic assumption that they can harvest his body?

That doesn't sit well with me.

kazalala;1339693 wrote: I know someone who recently had a double lung transplant,, he is 29 now i think,, if he hadnt had it he would have been dead at least a year ago. Someone had died of course for him to be able to live, to me it means their death wasnt totally in vain, and i hope he (the recipient) makes it worth it and lives a good and decent life for the time he has.

I have no problem with them taking anything of mine, although im not sure there's anything worth taking now, but once im dead im dead,, whats the point of me keeping my body intact? im being cremated anyway.


Hmmm that's another thing that doesn't sit with me too well. The fact that if someone dies they've died in vain if nothing comes of it.....Bullshit!!! They just died . Are we born in Vain? Nope we're just born.

and the assumption that if someone recieves an organ. They should somehow look after what they have recieved. Why should a recipient have to lead a decent good life????? Again Bullshit . The poor barstards have obviously been sick for a prolonged amount of time ......They've just got a second chance .......LIVE IT UP!!!

My advice to any recipient is to go an get some good pusssssy and penis!!! Go down to parliament and brown eye the ministers and tell them they're all full of crap!!

Get drunk....really drunk!! then make a god damn fool of yourself so you get arrested!!! experience a night in the cells. Take some drugs!!! Get out and do all the things that all your friends did while you were sick . It's only fair.

My god if someone recieved something of mine and lived like a nun after it, I'd come back and jolly well haunt them . They are not deserving of my organs.



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fuzzywuzzy;1339825 wrote: Not everyone has a drivers lisence .........Not everyone has relatives.......will we see those who are homeless , the poor , those that live on the cusp of society the main organ donors? Doesn't matter if you're over 18 you're still someones child. (I tend to put 18 years olds in the teen/child catagory) Now if I turned up to the hospital and my child had been pronounced dead does this mean that I'm not grieving a dead child but one they have kept going with machines because it's an automatic assumption that they can harvest his body?

That doesn't sit well with me.


I have carried a donor card for many years and firmly believe it is the way to go - I would grieve for the death of my child (indeed, I cannot imagine being sane after it) but I would find solace that, in death, my child could save the life of others.

Having said that, I do not see opt out to be the answer - stay with opt in and educate people to show them why they should go for it rather than try to push them into something that they do not want.

Having said that, I do not see opt out to be the answer - stay with opt in and educate people to show them why they should go for it rather than try to push them into something that they do not want.


Totally agree with that....... education .......What I dispute is the ads on telly where they do the "guilt trip" Another words You're not a proper and fit person and do not deserve life yourself unless you donate to the dying. and in your grief (and none of us know what we would do in that situation of our children dying) you're not a nice person unless you give up your kids organs. It's screwed logic to me.

fuzzywuzzy;1339836 wrote: Totally agree with that....... education .......What I dispute is the ads on telly where they do the "guilt trip" Another words You're not a proper and fit person and do not deserve life yourself unless you donate to the dying. and in your grief (and none of us know what we would do in that situation of our children dying) you're not a nice person unless you give up your kids organs. It's screwed logic to me.


Emotional blackmail - reject immediately

OBJECTION - OBJECTION - OBJECTION

This does not compute



In other words, tell 'em to pi$$ orf - politely mind, but go forth and multiply

fuzzywuzzy;1339830 wrote: Hmmm that's another thing that doesn't sit with me too well. The fact that if someone dies they've died in vain if nothing comes of it.....Bullshit!!! They just died . Are we born in Vain? Nope we're just born.

and the assumption that if someone recieves an organ. They should somehow look after what they have recieved. Why should a recipient have to lead a decent good life????? Again Bullshit . The poor barstards have obviously been sick for a prolonged amount of time ......They've just got a second chance .......LIVE IT UP!!!

My advice to any recipient is to go an get some good pusssssy and penis!!! Go down to parliament and brown eye the ministers and tell them they're all full of crap!!

Get drunk....really drunk!! then make a god damn fool of yourself so you get arrested!!! experience a night in the cells. Take some drugs!!! Get out and do all the things that all your friends did while you were sick . It's only fair.

My god if someone recieved something of mine and lived like a nun after it, I'd come back and jolly well haunt them . They are not deserving of my organs.



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hmmm im not sure you are really saying what you mean here ,,, come on now dont hold back:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

ok i think a lot of what you say is your personal opnion some of which i agree with some of which i dont

However daft it may seem to you ,, it DOES give people some comfort to know their loved one has helped others, especially children as they can sympathise being in their position,, the position of hoping beyond all hope their child might get the organ they are waiting for and not die. Also when i say live a good and decent life ,, i didn't mean join a convent fgs:rolleyes:

Oh I'm just having some fun .........because in reality I don't believe any of us, whether donors or not, really know what we'd do on that day or hour. For some it might be easier that the choice has already been made for them but others ........grief can be a funny thing, and it cannot be predicted or assumed.

Bryn Mawr;1339833 wrote: I have carried a donor card for many years and firmly believe it is the way to go - I would grieve for the death of my child (indeed, I cannot imagine being sane after it) but I would find solace that, in death, my child could save the life of others.

Having said that, I do not see opt out to be the answer - stay with opt in and educate people to show them why they should go for it rather than try to push them into something that they do not want.


My husband lost his son to cancer at just 4 years old. There was a real set to at the time with his ex wife who was strongly against organ donation but my husband was all for It. In the end she gave In but only years later could she see that It helped with the grief knowing that he helped other other children In so many ways Including giving a child new eyes. It Is a horrible thing to contemplate, having your child harvested but so many other sick children depend on It.

When my brother and his wife lost their baby girl 3 years ago, they wanted to take stem cells and ovaries but they flatly refused.

fuzzywuzzy;1339830 wrote:



My advice to any recipient is to go an get some good pusssssy and penis!!! Go down to parliament and brown eye the ministers and tell them they're all full of crap!!

Get drunk....really drunk!! then make a god damn fool of yourself so you get arrested!!! experience a night in the cells. Take some drugs!!! Get out and do all the things that all your friends did while you were sick . It's only fair.

My god if someone recieved something of mine and lived like a nun after it, I'd come back and jolly well haunt them . They are not deserving of my organs.



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I can feel it coming!:yh_rotfl

fuzzywuzzy;1340107 wrote: Oh I'm just having some fun .........because in reality I don't believe any of us, whether donors or not, really know what we'd do on that day or hour. For some it might be easier that the choice has already been made for them but others ........grief can be a funny thing, and it cannot be predicted or assumed.


well you are right about that for sure

Background reading for those with doubts...

BBC News - "I'm not ready for my life to be over"

I posted the item about Samantha's wanting to be a donor in another thread. She died one week ago this evening and already her heart is beating for another person. I'm sure all of her organs with the exception of her lungs, because she was asthmatic, will go to help others. And it's a comfort to her family to know that a part of Samantha lives on and makes life or quality of life better for others.

I'm terribly sorry your family has endured this loss Zap. It must have been heart wrenching for those involved, grief is a long term shadow. All my best to your family.