ForumGarden

Alright so who here on Forumgarden is a Witch? I mean it's no secret that Witchcraft is the fastest growing religion in the World at the moment, and yet nobody seems to want to ever come right out into the open and talk about it. I've noticed that Witches tend to be very shy about admitting that they are Witches. There's got to be some people here from England as well who are Witches considering that the majority of them live in that part of the World.

So let's have it. I'm a Gnostic Christian, everyone knows that who has read my posts, and I know that Witches aren't too fond of Christians (Mostly because they don't understand them and are sometimes told things that aren't true about them), but the fact is that we co exist whether we like it or not. With all of the members here on ForumGarden, it would be statistically impossible that no one here on Forumgarden is a Witch. So...come on...who here was born into a coven. Or....did you become a Witch later in Life?

Just because Christians can't be effected by your spells (although some believe that we can cast them on ourselves by being stupid - which I don't buy into) doesn't mean that we can't get along you know. By the way, I am thoroughly convinced that White Witchcraft was created only for one reason which was to protect Witches from each other. I mean obviously some kind of a protective measure would have to have been put in place because Witches are susceptible to other Witches spells (though my personal belief is that they are only so because they believe they are). Obviously. And I could totally understand the need for White Witchcraft, because if I was a member of a Worldwide culture where people were manipulating energy I would want to cover my ass too even from people who belonged to the same group.

So...anyone wanna come out in this thread? Or....are you even allowed to? I forget if Witchcraft covens have rules against that kind of thing or not. I'm interested to hear from both Witches who chose that lifestyle and Witches who were born into the lifestyle. By the way that goes for you Male Witches or "Wizards" as well.

By the way, how do most Witches feel about Satanists? I would imagine those who practice Black Magic would be more inclined to align themselves with Satanists more so than those who only practice White Magic. Though I could be wrong on that assumption.

Oh and one other thing. I think it's funny to walk into a New Age/Spiritual/Witchcraft store where the place is literally crawling with Witches and I tell them I am a Christian and they look at me like I am crazy and start whispering things behind the desk. One time I heard one of them say, "Well, it's ok though because we need more business here." lol. Like I was some kind of a creature or something.

everywhere in the world there are witches or magic people I think, but that witching action is not allowed in all religions, right?

M.A.S;1346613 wrote: everywhere in the world there are witches or magic people I think, but that witching action is not allowed in all religions, right?


lol. You would be surprised how many Catholic Rituals are identical to the Rituals that Witches use in their practices and masses. I would have to say that Catholics would be the best fit for a Witch who wanted to go to a Christian church just to see what it was like. Many of them are sent there to recruit anyways. Or to just keep an eye on things. But yeah definitely Catholics are the most like Witches when it comes to the Christian religions. So some "Magic" or Rituals are permitted there.

Believe it or not, some Mormon Polygamy camps or at least what I call them have a similar structure to Witch covens and similar rules as well. Only without the Rituals.

You know what I forgot one more branch of Christianity that might be more tolerant with someone practicing "Magic" around them as long as you didn't tell them you were a Witch. Pentecostals. They are a strange branch of Christianity indeed. Contacting Spirits and such is nothing new to them. Just like it is nothing new to most Witches.

In Islam, it's strictly not allowed to do witch stuff and the penalty is very tough. because it destroys some people's lives.

M.A.S;1346616 wrote: In Islam, it's strictly not allowed to do witch stuff and the penalty is very tough. because it destroys some people's lives.


Yeah I don't practice it myself just because manipulation of energy can get out of control like you said and it can definitely wreak havoc on other people's lives as well as your own if not done "properly". The slightest mistake can cause a lot of problems. Things can be opened up, Negative energy can seep in like flies on crap.

Now if you take the other branches of Christianity - Mormons (the non polygamy community ones), Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodist, Protestants, etc. I would say that the only thing they have in common with Witches is that many of them are a little paranoid of each other. But as I said before it's only because Most Christians don't understand Witches, and don't want to, and Most Witches don't understand Christians, and don't want to. The odd ones out are the ones that can sit in the same room without arguing about each others beliefs. But you don't see too many Christians and Witches holding hands. lol. At least not when they are aware of one another. And I would imagine it's the same with Islam.

Also if you are someone who is thinking, "I don't want anything to do with Witchcraft and I never have had anything to do with Witchcraft", well If you've ever messed around with incense, crystals, a ouija board, alchemy, had your tarot cards read, had a psychic reading, etc., than you have been in the presence of Witchcraft.

lol. If you've shopped at Macy's, you've been in the presence of Witchcraft. Trust me. If it's a one pointed star at the top, it's a Witch star. If it's a two pointed star at the top, it's Satanism. Every true Witch knows that Macy's is their store. One of many that is. The same goes for stores such as Vision Quest. I mean don't be scared, just realize that we all co-exist as Human Beings, and that's just the way it is.

Now the only reason I don't post against Witches is because Witches are not Satanists. They don't directly have it out for Christians like Satanists do. They are more tolerant and less hostile towards us. In fact I dated a Witch in a past relationship, was very interesting. And I was a Christian and she knew it. But love knows no bounds. You won't ever catch me dating a Satanist though I'll tell you that much. At the bottom levels, Witches are perfectly ok with me. At the top levels, there is much corruption and the same goes for Christianity or any other major World religion.

Another difference between Christianity and Witch covens is that when a Witch leaves a coven, they better hide somewhere good, because from what I understand the penalty for doing that can be death. Where as when you leave Christianity for something else no one really cares (except maybe for God and Christ and such), as well as the types of Christians who believe that your Soul is then in jeopardy and that you are therefore going to "hell" and so they will attempt to persuade you to come back to it.

Now when I say God I am sure that will make some Witches snicker. That's because bottom level Witches don't believe in a single God. They believe in multiple ones. 4 primary ones to be exact. But like I said, we can't let that cloud the fact that all Human Beings are One species. Under/With God (in my belief structure).

Sounds like you watch too many movies.

posted by truthbringer

lol. You would be surprised how many Catholic Rituals are identical to the Rituals that Witches use in their practices and masses. I would have to say that Catholics would be the best fit for a Witch who wanted to go to a Christian church just to see what it was like. Many of them are sent there to recruit anyways. Or to just keep an eye on things. But yeah definitely Catholics are the most like Witches when it comes to the Christian religions. So some "Magic" or Rituals are permitted there.


It's only a surprise if you know little or nothing about the history of religion. Most of the ceremonies were straight adaptations from existing pagan rituals - without ritual there is no need for a priest and hence no power base with which to control the population. It's also one of the main causes of conflict between catholic and protestant - the worship of saints and relics for example is merely idolatry in another guise. Witchcraft and devil worship are medieval inventions used by the church to terrorise dissenters in to submission. Accusing someone of being a witch was a convenient way of getting rid of people you wanted rid of. most of the witch hunters we would now see a sadistic serial killers using religion to have a good time.

Another difference between Christianity and Witch covens is that when a Witch leaves a coven, they better hide somewhere good, because from what I understand the penalty for doing that can be death. Where as when you leave Christianity for something else no one really cares (except maybe for God and Christ and such), as well as the types of Christians who believe that your Soul is then in jeopardy and that you are therefore going to "hell" and so they will attempt to persuade you to come back to it.


Nowadays they don;t but apostasy used to carry the death penalty as indeed it still does in some muslim countries.

Witchcraft like Christianity and every other religion is a made up belief system that sensible people do not take too seriously. Next you'll be telling us all about harry potter and the fact it is a secret witchcraft recruiting tool aimed at children.

gmc;1346625 wrote: posted by truthbringer



It's only a surprise if you know little or nothing about the history of religion. Most of the ceremonies were straight adaptations from existing pagan rituals - without ritual there is no need for a priest and hence no power base with which to control the population. It's also one of the main causes of conflict between catholic and protestant - the worship of saints and relics for example is merely idolatry in another guise. Witchcraft and devil worship are medieval inventions used by the church to terrorise dissenters in to submission. Accusing someone of being a witch was a convenient way of getting rid of people you wanted rid of. most of the witch hunters we would now see a sadistic serial killers using religion to have a good time.



Nowadays they don;t but apostasy used to carry the death penalty as indeed it still does in some muslim countries.

Witchcraft like Christianity and every other religion is a made up belief system that sensible people do not take too seriously. Next you'll be telling us all about harry potter and the fact it is a secret witchcraft recruiting tool aimed at children.


lol. I love it when an Atheist uses wikipedia to school me on religion.

koan;1346624 wrote: Sounds like you watch too many movies.


And what part would be in the movies? Nothing I have said is not well known in virtually all Witch coven families. Those who's children are born into the coven and are taught the ways of a Witch from birth. It's similar to extremist Christian compounds and is very similar to Satanic circles as well. If it wasn't true I wouldn't waste my time typing it.

What, you don't believe that Witches are real? I think you do. I also think you know more about it than what you are pretending to know. And I can see that just by looking at your avatar. It screams occultism to me.

Talking to yourself again, TB?

Some occultists are better at pretending to be atheists than actual atheists are at being atheists. Just like some occultists are better at pretending to be Christians than many Christians are at being Christians.

Ahso!;1346628 wrote: Talking to yourself again, TB?


It all depends. The audience may not be what I imagine it to be. But there is definitely someone else in here besides me. You are proof of that.

TruthBringer;1346626 wrote: lol. I love it when an Atheist uses wikipedia to school me on religion.


Who referenced wikipedia? That's a useful place for initial research but hardly a prime source. Perhaps you do need some schooling on the history religion for your knowledge seems to be lacking. I found my way to enlightenment in the days before wikipedia existed. There were these places called libraries and museums and also books which you may or may not be familiar with. They still exist if you care to look for them. Indeed many religious organisation used to try and control what books were made available in the libraries and even event some being published. The catholic church at one time used to burn people at the stake for daring to print the bible in anything but latin, printing a translation in english or german or french was downright dangerous. Much better that the priests tell you what to believe, god forbid you should question the church and those anointed by god to rule over you.

You shouldn't need schooling in church history, you should either have learned it at school/church, or been interested enough to find out for yourself. In europe the protestant reformation and the age of enlightenment are so much a part of what shaped out society it is taught in the schools. The typical knuckle dragging bigot in glasgow could give you a potted history of the bible and the catholic church and what led to the rise of protestantism. So could their equivalent in germany or france - try asking a typical frenchman what they think about the separation if church and state and why it is written in to their constitution and what the age of enlightenment was about.

The internet is a useful tool, you can read about the lost gospels and transcripts of witch trials without all the hassle of going to where such things are kept for viewing it's very easy indeed to do your own research nowadays. It's also why government and the churches don't like it. Don't knock wikipedia, if it gets people interested and they start researching to expand their knowledge that is a good thing. .

It surprises me you would assume people don't know the pagan origin of catholic ritual or that the books of the bible are carefully picked and edited to produce a doctrine that would also be a means of control. What makes you think you are coming out with anything that is not common knowledge? You give the impression that you are just finding out these things and are keen to share your new found knowledge. I didn't mean to offend I was just passing comment.

Witchcraft is just another bogeyman for the religious to scare people with.

TruthBringer;1346626 wrote: lol. I love it when an Atheist uses wikipedia to school me on religion.Did you know there was a recent study that concluded atheist people, on average, know the christian bible better than believers? There is a reason people become atheist, and that reason is most of them came out of religion. Atheist people actually held the bible to the promises it made and when those promises did not manifest themselves, atheist people had the courage to call religion and god on it. People such as yourself OTOH prefer to remain where you feel safe because you fear life. It takes real guts to come out of religion, ask just about any atheist person, they'll tell you.

Pew Research wrote: Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons are among the highest-scoring groups on a new survey of religious knowledge, outperforming evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics on questions about the core teachings, history and leading figures of major world religions.

On average, Americans correctly answer 16 of the 32 religious knowledge questions on the survey by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life. Atheists and agnostics average 20.9 correct answers. Jews and Mormons do about as well, averaging 20.5 and 20.3 correct answers, respectively. Protestants as a whole average 16 correct answers; Catholics as a whole, 14.7. Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons perform better than other groups on the survey even after controlling for differing levels of education.

religious-knowledge-01 10-09-28


Source: U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

Not that you really give a hoot about actual facts, TB.

As much as I've seen some very "karmic" things, I'd have to say that direct manipulation of supernatural force is God's province alone. Most witchcraft is nothing more than psychology and self-fulfilling prophecy.

I watched The Crucible last week. No way am I going to admit anything!

I'm not sure who here is a witch but I have a list of witchy ones.:-2

ZAP;1346672 wrote: I watched The Crucible last week. No way am I going to admit anything! Prejudice? Sounds like something a brown skinned person passing through or living in Arizona might say.

Ahso!;1346676 wrote: Prejudice? Sounds like something a brown skinned person passing through or living in Arizona might say.


You better watch out

I'm tellin' you why

Zap might zap you

And make you cry

So no ones coming out in this thread huh? Damn....I thought Witches would be proud to admit their religious beliefs. I guess not. Either that, or there aren't any Witches on ForumGarden, which as I said before is highly unlikely. They are everywhere.

By the way I don't knock Wikipedia it is a good source for gathering info but it is definitely biased in many areas I will leave it at that but I wasn't trying to offend anyone either. It's possible that I misunderstood what you were saying Ahso. We both agree that the Catholic church is one big joke.

I don't think wicca is very popular TB. The fastest growing religions are the fundamentalist ones, when I checked. Though even these are not really keeping up with the population growth. Overall, religion is dying off.

I didn't quote wikipedia in this thread, I quoted the Pew Research Institute.

I had a GF that was Wiccan just like most any religion it's a "you have to believe in this, for that to happen" religion from what I leaned about it from it.

TruthBringer;1346627 wrote: And what part would be in the movies? Nothing I have said is not well known in virtually all Witch coven families. Those who's children are born into the coven and are taught the ways of a Witch from birth. It's similar to extremist Christian compounds and is very similar to Satanic circles as well. If it wasn't true I wouldn't waste my time typing it.

What, you don't believe that Witches are real? I think you do. I also think you know more about it than what you are pretending to know. And I can see that just by looking at your avatar. It screams occultism to me.
:wah:

sure, and your avatar screams "easy target" lol

TruthBringer;1346735 wrote:

By the way I don't knock Wikipedia it is a good source for gathering info but it is definitely biased in many areas


No doubt due to the fact that it's run by Satanic Communist New World Order Homosexual Illuminati Atheistic Muslim Freemasons!!!

koan;1346749 wrote: :wah:

sure, and your avatar screams "easy target" lol


You're the one with the gothic looking (palish dark colored), one eye covered, left eye uncovered, avatar. I'm pointing out what I see here. In occultism, your picture fits perfectly. That wasn't your plan? Fine, I can buy that. But the bottom line is it looks like what it looks like. If that makes you mad, maybe you should change your avatar.

btw, I don't believe anything is "real" so I have trouble summoning the energy to make my bed let alone performing witchy rituals.

imo, all religion (or anti-religion) is an attempt for people to make sense of the world around them but, more importantly, to feel like they can affect the world around them. It's essential to our sanity. If keeping a journal, attending church, investing in the stock market, or lighting candles and saying specific words, gives us the feeling of control over our destiny than it fulfills the same purpose no matter what you call it.

We all have our rituals. I like to carefully measure the spoons of sugar I put in my coffee.

koan;1346761 wrote: btw, I don't believe anything is "real" so I have trouble summoning the energy to make my bed let alone performing witchy rituals.

imo, all religion (or anti-religion) is an attempt for people to make sense of the world around them but, more importantly, to feel like they can affect the world around them. It's essential to our sanity. If keeping a journal, attending church, investing in the stock market, or lighting candles and saying specific words, gives us the feeling of control over our destiny than it fulfills the same purpose no matter what you call it.

We all have our rituals. I like to carefully measure the spoons of sugar I put in my coffee.


Look I want to believe you it's just that you obviously chose your avatar for a reason. And why you covered one eye in it I don't quite know. But I'll let you explain. Oh, and yes, covering one and leaving the left visible is definitely big in the egyptian occult. In case you didn't know. The eye of Horus is one of their favorite symbols. And it is most identified with the left eye being visible while the right is covered. It's also usually placed as the capstone on the pyramid.

Now you could say that so what anyone who covers their right eye and leaves their left one visible is practicing the occult? No....but I can say that doing that is exactly what Egyptian Occultists do.

Gothic? Maybe. I have two 80 year old women who love my haircut and the bosses wife asked me if I was licensed to cut hers for her so I'd actually thought that for once, I'd managed to find something normal.

I didn't choose my avatar. That's just the way I look. I took a picture.

koan;1346763 wrote: Gothic? Maybe. I have two 80 year old women who love my haircut and the bosses wife asked me if I was licensed to cut hers for her so I'd actually thought that for once, I'd managed to find something normal.


I'm not saying it looks bad. I'm not even saying that. I'm just saying that the whole thing does kinda lean towards the gothic/witchcraft arena just like you admittied in the quote.

... and I'm mildly anemic.

TruthBringer;1346765 wrote: I'm not saying it looks bad. I'm not even saying that. I'm just saying that the whole thing does kinda lean towards the gothic/witchcraft arena just like you admittied in the quote.


Not to mention that you have the White and the Dark in the backround. Witches practice both White and Dark Magic and Rituals. Well, the yin and the yang is very big to them anyways. They celebrate the two regularly. Festivals and the whole bit. So the fact that you have the yin and the yang symbolsim in the back doesn't help either.

I'm not saying I'm not a witch either. I just don't practice witchcraft. lol

I'm a Hermeticist so, yes, I know about the eye of Horus. If you want to find witches you'll see them. If you want to find Illuminati you'll see them. If you think the colour red is symbolic, you'll notice it everywhere. If the number 3 means something special to you it will suddenly appear everywhere you look.

koan;1346766 wrote: ... and I'm mildly anemic.


Another possibility I would consider is that you are a member of the female branch of Freemasonry. That would explain the eye symbolism, as well as the checkered black and white colors in the backround.

koan;1346768 wrote: I'm not saying I'm not a witch either. I just don't practice witchcraft. lol

I'm a Hermeticist so, yes, I know about the eye of Horus. If you want to find witches you'll see them. If you want to find Illuminati you'll see them. If you think the colour red is symbolic, you'll notice it everywhere. If the number 3 means something special to you it will suddenly appear everywhere you look.




Well yes but then again you could say you're anything and I would just have to take your word for it. Only I don't know you personally, so all I have to go on is what I see.

TruthBringer;1346770 wrote: Well yes but then again you could say you're anything and I would just have to take your word for it. Only I don't know you personally, so all I have to go on is what I see.


And I can't control what you see.

Ultimately you're the only one responsible for that.

koan;1346764 wrote: I didn't choose my avatar. That's just the way I look. I took a picture.


Bit of a new romantic perhaps?

TruthBringer;1346612 wrote: Oh and one other thing. I think it's funny to walk into a New Age/Spiritual/Witchcraft store where the place is literally crawling with Witches and I tell them I am a Christian and they look at me like I am crazy and start whispering things behind the desk. One time I heard one of them say, "Well, it's ok though because we need more business here." lol. Like I was some kind of a creature or something.


You get funny looke's because us Wiccans think 'oh no not another bible basher!' I am a witch and a lot of my friends are Christian and accept me for what I am and not what I could be. One of those friends is a vicar who works at Salisbury Cathedral. We don't believe in Satan. Our law is what ever you give out comes back three fold.

koan;1346768 wrote: I'm not saying I'm not a witch either. I just don't practice witchcraft. lol

I'm a Hermeticist so, yes, I know about the eye of Horus. If you want to find witches you'll see them. If you want to find Illuminati you'll see them. If you think the colour red is symbolic, you'll notice it everywhere. If the number 3 means something special to you it will suddenly appear everywhere you look.




Say Koan, I wonder if I could prevail upon you to whip up a little something for this rash I've got that has defied diagnosis by my doctors . . .oh, you said, "Hermeticist" not

"herbalist". Well . . .anyway, could you? By the way I love the color red and 3's and I am NOT responsible for floods, tornadoes or fires, which may have followed me about.

Aura;1346811 wrote: You get funny looke's because us Wiccans think 'oh no not another bible basher!' I am a witch and a lot of my friends are Christian and accept me for what I am and not what I could be. One of those friends is a vicar who works at Salisbury Cathedral. We don't believe in Satan. Our law is what ever you give out comes back three fold.


Well it's about time. lol. j/k So you became one later in Life or you were born into a Coven?

TruthBringer;1346818 wrote: Well it's about time. lol. j/k So you became one later in Life or you were born into a Coven?


You don't get born into a coven. You have to be invited into one. I was once asked why I don't fly a broomstick. I replied 'I wish' it would save bus fare'.

[QUOTE=TruthBringer;1346621]Another difference between Christianity and Witch covens is that when a Witch leaves a coven, they better hide somewhere good, because from what I understand the penalty for doing that can be death. [QUOTE]

What a load of Twaddle my friend. You shouldn't know about a coven or the Masons association because it is secret. Koan is right, I think you do watch too many movies and need to get out more

TruthBringer;1346770 wrote: Well yes but then again you could say you're anything and I would just have to take your word for it. Only I don't know you personally, so all I have to go on is what I see.


Hmm, your pic looks like a white supremacy symbol:

Racial Supremacy Gangs (continued)-- Gangs and Security Threat Group Awareness