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The British tend to be understated in their patriotism.

Stiff upper lipped, stoic, quietly proud but embarrassed by shows of emotion.

Has anyone noticed a recent shift toward a more aggressive unbritish form of patriotism ?

Bruv;1370523 wrote: The British tend to be understated in their patriotism.

Stiff upper lipped, stoic, quietly proud but embarrassed by shows of emotion.

Has anyone noticed a recent shift toward a more aggressive unbritish form of patriotism ?


No, not really.

In many ways football hooliganism Is a form of patriotism and has been around for decades.

The EDL who are the morons to take to the streets are nothing more than football hooligans.

The UAF who claim they want to rid this country of the nasty BNP also take to the streets and engage In violence with the EDL and the Police which Is all rather hypocritical In the extreme. They do what others think we do.

I called a committee meeting In a lovely Somerset pub last week where we ordered pots of tea and discussed such things as how many stamps I would need for a mass mailshot.... yep, us BNP are pretty dangerous :wah:

I do believe that this country has lost It's Identity In many ways and with that Patriotism Is on the wane.

This was not supposed to be a party political broadcast.

What about the name of the charity "Help for Heroes" ?

It's name shouts patriotism to me.

Why the focus on Wooton Basset ?

And the many TV programs about Troops in many formats ?

Just seems to me to be a subtle change in the way Brits view the Military.

Bruv;1370542 wrote: This was not supposed to be a party political broadcast.

What about the name of the charity "Help for Heroes" ?

It's name shouts patriotism to me.

Why the focus on Wooton Basset ?

And the many TV programs about Troops in many formats ?

Just seems to me to be a subtle change in the way Brits view the Military.


There are those who are deeply patriotic to the military even when we are engaged In Illegal wars based on lie's

I don't understand the reasons for the various conflicts that this country is involved in, but, if supporting and respecting the people who serve in the British Forces is patriotic, then that's what I am.

Bruv;1370542 wrote: This was not supposed to be a party political broadcast.

What about the name of the charity "Help for Heroes" ?

It's name shouts patriotism to me.

Why the focus on Wooton Basset ?

And the many TV programs about Troops in many formats ?

Just seems to me to be a subtle change in the way Brits view the Military.


We expect our military to do as they are told and fight, if anything wooton bassett highlighted the pointlessness of it and embarrassed the government. I don't think that or help for heroes is blind patriotism more respect for the individual soldier, doesn't mean people actually support the war or our part in it. Recruitment is at an all time low I doubt any soldier sees it as their patriotic duty there's more to it than that. The faux patriotism of the likes of the BNP is pathetic. Scottish and welsh nationalism is more in response to domination by a Westminster government with it's mind set in the south east of England and an aggressive contempt for anything not in it. Thatcher probably did more to end the union than anyone else has ever done.

what he eff has weddings got to do with patriotism .

Bruv a few years ago the government began bringing patriotism into schools. flag raising adn singing the national anthem .... Everyone I know is a little weirded out by this .

fuzzywuzzy;1377099 wrote: what he eff has weddings got to do with patriotism .

Bruv a few years ago the government began bringing patriotism into schools. flag raising adn singing the national anthem .... Everyone I know is a little weirded out by this .


Don't worry about minibridal........we will never see them ever again.

So it is just us sensitive types that have noticed the patriotism movement ?

Bruv;1377107 wrote: Don't worry about minibridal........we will never see them ever again.

So it is just us sensitive types that have noticed the patriotism movement ?


It;s a subtle way of shifting the debate - if you criticise the war you are not supporting our armed forces the idea is to out people on the defensive. I object to the poppy being used as a patriotic symbol it was intended to remind people of the stupidity and futility of a war fought for blind patriotism and not to be taken in again. I have little time for those who wear a poppy for show but don't give a **** the rest of the year.

gmc;1377239 wrote: It;s a subtle way of shifting the debate - if you criticise the war you are not supporting our armed forces the idea is to out people on the defensive. I object to the poppy being used as a patriotic symbol it was intended to remind people of the stupidity and futility of a war fought for blind patriotism and not to be taken in again. I have little time for those who wear a poppy for show but don't give a **** the rest of the year.


I thought the poppy was a symbol of remembrance of those who died in the First World War and of those who have died since in wars?

Bruv;1377107 wrote: Don't worry about minibridal........we will never see them ever again.

So it is just us sensitive types that have noticed the patriotism movement ?


Americans would never notice a patriotism movement. We have been inundated with it since we were born.

Every morning when school started we all had to stand, face the flag, and cite the Pledge Of Allegiance. Before all sporting events our National Anthem is sung etc. etc.

Now, after saying that, I see no problem having pride in the country, state, city or town that you live in, or the culture you grow up in.

theia;1377241 wrote: I thought the poppy was a symbol of remembrance of those who died in the First World War and of those who have died since in wars?


It was, but like the Union Jack it has become tarnished somehow.

YZGI;1377250 wrote: Americans would never notice a patriotism movement. We have been inundated with it since we were born.

Every morning when school started we all had to stand, face the flag, and cite the Pledge Of Allegiance. Before all sporting events our National Anthem is sung etc. etc.

Now, after saying that, I see no problem having pride in the country, state, city or town that you live in, or the culture you grow up in.


The American form of patriotism is in your face and not a little over the top.

Meanwhile the British have always been understated, silently proud and a little arrogant, but always self-effacing.

There has been a subtle change over the previous few years, hence my post.

theia;1377241 wrote: I thought the poppy was a symbol of remembrance of those who died in the First World War and of those who have died since in wars?


Yeah the poppy signifies all deaths not just soldiers.

YZGI;1377250 wrote: Americans would never notice a patriotism movement. We have been inundated with it since we were born.

Every morning when school started we all had to stand, face the flag, and cite the Pledge Of Allegiance. Before all sporting events our National Anthem is sung etc. etc.

Now, after saying that, I see no problem having pride in the country, state, city or town that you live in, or the culture you grow up in.


I think there is a difference between patriotism and recognising what 'home' is.