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Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:16 am
by Snooz
More than one million students attend colleges, universities and technical schools in Texas. But because of the state's new voter identification law, none will be allowed to use their student ID cards to cast a ballot.


Texans Allowed To Show Gun Permits But Not Student IDs At Voting Booth

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:29 am
by YZGI
I didn't read it all but my guess would be, Not all college students are legal residents of the same State that they are going to college in. The college Id's do not necessarily show which State the holder is a resident of. The college student that is a resident of say, Oklahoma could then vote in Texas with their student Id and then go to Oklahoma and vote with their drivers license. Just a guess.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:26 am
by Snooz
A quick search turned this up on an Iowa state site:

If you are a resident of another state and are attending college in Iowa, you may register to vote in either:

your college town OR

your hometown and vote by absentee ballot (subject to the laws of your home state).


It looks like you can register in the state where you're attending college but college IDs are not a valid form of ID at the polls. Kinda ****ed up if you ask me.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:20 am
by K.Snyder
SnoozeAgain;1375874 wrote: A quick search turned this up on an Iowa state site:



It looks like you can register in the state where you're attending college but college IDs are not a valid form of ID at the polls. Kinda ****ed up if you ask me.College ID's can be easily faked...Beyond easy, a 6th grader could do it

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:31 am
by Snooz
I'm sure you're right. But do you really think there's a huge portion of the Texas population with fake college IDs set up to sabotage the political machine?

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:32 am
by K.Snyder
SnoozeAgain;1375882 wrote: I'm sure you're right. But do you really think there's a huge portion of the Texas population with fake college IDs set up to sabotage the political machine?
No because they cannot vote with those ID's...If they were allowed to use them yes, yes I do :yh_bigsmi

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:43 am
by flopstock
Seems logical to me unless enrollment is restricted to Texas legal residents.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:44 am
by LarsMac
I believe you have to register to vote, before the election, even in Texas.

So then, when you go to the polls, you must show ID that proves you are that person who registered, and that you reside at that residence, qualifying you to vote in that precinct.

Most student ID only proves you are a student of a particular school. Nothing more.

Schools could produce ID that meets the requirements, but I know when FSU tried that some years back, the students raised a ruckus, claiming that such would be a privacy concern.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:33 am
by Snooz
Yes, this would only apply to registered voters, they certainly wouldn't allow anyone to walk in off the street to vote. And I don't see why this wouldn't work as a valid form of identification for the poll workers to use to match their data at sign in:



It's pretty ridiculous to think thousands of people would register under another resident's name and then show up with a fake ID.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:48 am
by valerie
I feel like a fence sitter but not sure how I really feel about this

one, because I do think there's room for misuse and/or fraud.

I know one time many years ago, when I was applying for a

public library card and didn't have a DL with my new address

on it yet, the librarian said they would take other forms of ID

you know, like "GUYS" can use their fishing license. HA did I

ever surprise her, I was a GIRL with a fishing license!!

;)

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:51 am
by flopstock
I don't even get asked for ID anymore

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:52 am
by Snooz
I don't know anything about gun permits so maybe I'm talking out of my ass but it's hard to believe those are taken as a more credible form of identification than a college ID. This is Texas we're talking about though.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:55 am
by LarsMac
You're right, Snooze.

I don't believe it has that much to do with fake ID.

But, where does that ID show that Ms Doe resides in the precinct where she is attempting to vote.

All this says is that the person whose name, and picture are on this card is, or has been, a student at Macon State College.

Poll worker must validate the address on the ID matches that on the registry, and also verify the signature on the ID, and the signature of the person holding the ID, matches that on the voter registry.

I don't see that happening here.

No address, no birthdate, no signature, not date of expiry on the ID. It could be from 20 years back.

The Concealed Carry permit, by contrast, contains all that information.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:57 am
by Snooz
Oopsie!


Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:01 pm
by LarsMac
Here is a list of state requirements for voting.



Voter ID: State Requirements

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:03 pm
by LarsMac
SnoozeAgain;1375899 wrote: Oopsie!




Good one.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:12 pm
by YZGI
SnoozeAgain;1375899 wrote: Oopsie!




He's too young to vote..

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:15 pm
by Ahso!
Yeah, but I bet he can shoot straight as an arrow.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:24 pm
by LarsMac
So most states require proof ID when you show up to vote, but they also require one to register before the election.

You can't just decide on the day of election that you want to go vote for Joe Schmoe.

With the exception of Minnesota, New Hampshire and Wisconsin, you must have registered between 2 to 5 weeks prior to the election.

Voter Registration Rules | LongDistanceVoter.org - Absentee Ballots - Voter Registration

There are age requirements, Unlike, it seems, for owning an firearm in Illinois.

And then, you must prove that you are the one that registered, before you are allowed to vote.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:26 pm
by LarsMac
I'd be interested to know the rules for voting in other countries, as well.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:44 pm
by YZGI
LarsMac;1375942 wrote: I'd be interested to know the rules for voting in other countries, as well.


Also, you don't have to register every year or election. Once registered , you only have to re-register if you move residence.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:45 pm
by flopstock
Ahso!;1375904 wrote: Yeah, but I bet he can shoot straight as an arrow.


Take the diaper off and he can hit a target 25 ft away.

Texans allowed to show gun permit but not student ID at voting booth

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:15 pm
by K.Snyder
The id should be a state issued id that meets all security requirements.

Arguing against the firearm id's are just as relevant.

It's the fact that college kids being aloud to vote with college id's means they are the ones most likely to be effected...

It's obvious the republicans are grasping at straws...

Once the polls had closed in the panhandle, the networks retracted their call for Gore, calling the state for Bush; then retracted that call as well, finally indicating the state was "too close to call".[4] In an editorial for National Review magazine, Tim Graham, director of media analysis for the conservative Media Research Center, claimed that the media's premature call for Gore's victory in Florida might have disenfranchised many pro-Bush voters in the Panhandle;[5] however, this claim was deemed "extremely unlikely" by Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), a liberal media watch group.[6] Gore made a concession phone call to Bush the night of the election, then retracted it after learning just how close the election was.[7]

Bush won the election night vote count in Florida by 1,784 votes. Florida state law provided for an automatic recount due to the small margins. There were general concerns about the fairness and accuracy of the voting process, especially since a small change in the vote count could change the result. The final official Florida count gave the victory to Bush by 537 votes, making it the tightest race of the campaign (at least in percentage terms; New Mexico was decided by 363 votes but has a much smaller population, meaning those 363 votes represent a 0.061% difference while the 537 votes in Florida are just 0.009%). Most of the reduction in the ensuing recount came from Miami-Dade county alone, a statistical anomaly.United States presidential election in Florida, 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaWith elections that close then it's obvious the importance of pragmatism by both parties.

Then back to the pragmatism bit, any person wishing to cast their vote but fail to produce appropriate measures to do so in their state need to just sit on their couch eating Doritos as it is because quite frankly they could honestly plunge the country into anarchy

:yh_bigsmi