What is Your Top Issue?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:18 am
Ahso!;1381336 wrote: You'd read every bill? :yh_eyerol No, of course not. How is that even relevant? Lemme answer for you. It's not.
But it is relevant that the people who vote on a bill know what's in it.
Ahso!;1381336 wrote: We had a discussion on the Pelosi speech a while back and I was amazed how confused a couple of members here were on it, as you also appear to be. If reading transcripts of relatively short speeches are too much of a chore, how could I or anyone else believe people who complain about representatives reading bills thousands of pages long would fare any better?
You completely miss the point. The bills are too damn long! They should be broken up into digestible pieces that are voted on separately so that we don't end up with (to understate) unpleasant surprises.
Ahso!;1381336 wrote: To be fair:
Transcript of interview on Conyers' remarks > Just Read It Transcript - On The MediaFrom your link:BROOKE GLADSTONE: In your piece, you said that if they'd wanted to read the bill, they would have had [LAUGHS] to have read 208 pages an hour every hour for 16 hours.
KEN SILVERSTEIN: Exactly.
[LAUGHTER] And, you know, that was if they happened to be cruising the House website where it was posted at 12:15 a.m. and they'd stayed up all night because of this page-turner that they just couldn't put down. I mean, this happens all the time.
BROOKE GLADSTONE: As a citizen, one would think that what we could do to help is to read the bill, or a bill, if we could get a hold of one. But they're largely unreadable. Then they shouldn't be passed! If I were a congressman I could never in good conscience vote for a bill I didn't understand. This excerpt and the entire interview you linked puts on full display the contempt I was describing.
Ahso!;1381336 wrote: Transcript of Nancy Pelosi's short speech on passing the health care bill > Coalition To Protect Patients' Rights Lies About Health Care Law, Pushes For IPAB Repeal | Political CorrectionDid you read this? The vid I posted was in perfect context. That patronizing pap turned my stomach. "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." WTF?? And if we don't like what we find, what then? It's already law! That's too late to be "finding out."
I can't believe you give such people a pass.
But it is relevant that the people who vote on a bill know what's in it.
Ahso!;1381336 wrote: We had a discussion on the Pelosi speech a while back and I was amazed how confused a couple of members here were on it, as you also appear to be. If reading transcripts of relatively short speeches are too much of a chore, how could I or anyone else believe people who complain about representatives reading bills thousands of pages long would fare any better?
You completely miss the point. The bills are too damn long! They should be broken up into digestible pieces that are voted on separately so that we don't end up with (to understate) unpleasant surprises.
Ahso!;1381336 wrote: To be fair:
Transcript of interview on Conyers' remarks > Just Read It Transcript - On The MediaFrom your link:BROOKE GLADSTONE: In your piece, you said that if they'd wanted to read the bill, they would have had [LAUGHS] to have read 208 pages an hour every hour for 16 hours.
KEN SILVERSTEIN: Exactly.
[LAUGHTER] And, you know, that was if they happened to be cruising the House website where it was posted at 12:15 a.m. and they'd stayed up all night because of this page-turner that they just couldn't put down. I mean, this happens all the time.
BROOKE GLADSTONE: As a citizen, one would think that what we could do to help is to read the bill, or a bill, if we could get a hold of one. But they're largely unreadable. Then they shouldn't be passed! If I were a congressman I could never in good conscience vote for a bill I didn't understand. This excerpt and the entire interview you linked puts on full display the contempt I was describing.
Ahso!;1381336 wrote: Transcript of Nancy Pelosi's short speech on passing the health care bill > Coalition To Protect Patients' Rights Lies About Health Care Law, Pushes For IPAB Repeal | Political CorrectionDid you read this? The vid I posted was in perfect context. That patronizing pap turned my stomach. "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." WTF?? And if we don't like what we find, what then? It's already law! That's too late to be "finding out."
I can't believe you give such people a pass.