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I'm putting this here because something strange has happened and I want it on another forum too . (to basically spread the word.)

Someone on another forum (long time forum member and contributor and darn good poster) has quit the forum because of fear for their themselves and family . Not by anyone on the forum but because of the authorities in Ireland.

Now not much was said but they were put in a position where their posts on the forum was read back to them. ...........no, there is nothing about what circumstances they were under at the time. And something to do with the new laws. Iv'e trawled through every post of theirs' and can't find one that would cause any concern to any government anywhere. it seems if you are a republican in Ireland you're fair game for scrutiny..... Since when was being a republican or making political comment enough to be questioned or come under any suspicion by the authorities?

and no it's not an overtop 'we want war" etc etc kind of site. It's just those who want a 32 county Eire.

Now this has got me thinking if this can happen on one forum then what's to stop it from happening here? I've seen some major political comments on this site before .

Some people live in a fantasy world I suspect the irish authorities have more than enough to do worrying about real terrorists to have time to waste looking at someone posting on an open forum.

I've seen someone threaten another member of a forum for daring to even mention a motorcycle club's name, saying that all the big clubs monitor the internet and they WILL find the person even if there's no obvious way to know who the person is in real life.

This sounds like the same kind of thing.

fuzzywuzzy;1394190 wrote:

and no it's not an overtop 'we want war" etc etc kind of site. It's just those who want a 32 county Eire.




So why pick on him ?

Every member should be under scrutiny.

I am inclined to agree with gmc.

he's not the first to be "looked at " by authorities on this forum. and it's common knowledge the forum itself is often under survelance one way or another . Most members are under scrutiny Bruv. but this is the first tiem I've seen somone concerned about their loved ones as well.. It's obvious something has happened.

Bruv;1394202 wrote: So why pick on him ?

Every member should be under scrutiny.

I am inclined to agree with gmc.


what do you mean that every member should be under srutiny?

Hold up, I am not saying everybody SHOULD be under scrutiny, I am saying anyone joining a forum for as you say "those who want a 32 county Eire." would equally be of interest of those who might be 'watching.' So why this particular poster ?

But you have answered that already.

fuzzywuzzy;1394203 wrote: he's not the first to be "looked at " by authorities on this forum. and it's common knowledge the forum itself is often under survelance one way or another . Most members are under scrutiny Bruv. but this is the first tiem I've seen somone concerned about their loved ones as well.. It's obvious something has happened.


I think every forum post and every e-mail is likely to be autoscanned for keywords and ranked accordingly. Those with a high threat ranking will be passed up for further checking.

Whilst a post might look innocuous, an odd combination of words might trigger alarms.

Security services are, by their very nature, paranoid - Big Brother is watching YOU!

For them to take it to a personal approach sounds strange though - could it be another member playing games?

Nah quite a few of them already have had the 'stop and search' done on them or a family member. (unfortunetly it's where they live and the new powers they have to live under) but these are tough people . That's why it's surprised me.

And they talk more political than any threatening talk or behaviour. they are from both sides of the track (so to speak) and yet I havent come across one post where the RAAD are supported. And anyone who talks any offence or angry words gets banned (you guys think spot is bad lol lol) I'm just worried about them.

Gosh I know more controversial people on Facebook, these guys although quite 'experienced' with their countrys' position are pussycats

gmc;1394198 wrote: Some people live in a fantasy world I suspect the irish authorities have more than enough to do worrying about real terrorists to have time to waste looking at someone posting on an open forum.


Yes GMC you would think so wouldn't you . So I suppose the new NIPS (spelling intended ) will stop searching old men, women and children whilst out shopping?

fuzzywuzzy;1394219 wrote: Yes GMC you would think so wouldn't you . So I suppose the new NIPS (spelling intended ) will stop searching old men, women and children whilst out shopping?


Ah right. You need to be a bit clearer whether you are talking about the republic of ireland or northern ireland, being from the UK reference to ireland means the republic of Ireland to me, northern Ireland is well northern ireland. Those who are in favour of a united ireland have been showing their support for the new catholic/ protestant police service in northern ireland by murdering any catholic that joins it so perhaps a little paranoia is understandable. There were entirely justified concerns about bias in the RUC that proceeded it. It has to be said the protestant terrorists don't want it to succeed any more than the catholic terrorists it's a moot point which group is the more murderous.

Northern Ireland: Police Say A 25-Year-Old Officer Has Died In Car Bomb Attack In Omagh, Co Tyrone | UK News | Sky News

Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams said: "I want to send my condolences to his family at this hugely traumatic time.

"Sinn Fein is determined that those responsible will not set back the progress of the peace and political process."

Northern Ireland's First Minister Peter Robinson told Sky News that whole community was "outraged" by the event.

He said the officer was "a brave young man who was prepared to serve his community" in contrast to the people who carried out the attack.




BBC News - Car bomb explodes outside County Armagh police station

Real IRA admits bomb attacks on Northern Ireland banks | UK news | The Guardian

Some dissident republicans see themselves as an alternative to the police force.

BBC NEWS | UK | Northern Ireland | 'My terror after knee-capping'

For decades, paramilitaries in both loyalist and republican areas used punishment shootings as a way of controlling communities.

With policing often absent in parts of Northern Ireland, the attacks were carried out on those believed to be guilty of anti-social behaviour.

There was a distrust of the police force, particularly in the Catholic community.




If the six counties ever join the rest of ireland it won't be because of terrorists. These people you seem to admire are just a bunch of murderous thugs.

What a racist post .

These forum members are from all over Ireland . From all different groups. and a good propaganda story is all very well to prove a mute point. If you want updates to bombs or murders or detainments I can give them to you hours after and in some cases whilst they are happening if you like ...just so you can prove your racist point between the differences of the Eiren peoples.

The forum is open to all and the banning goes on (and censorship to certain posts) when people are a bit over the top .

You just catorgorised a certain people.

And the only problem with the psni is they didn't change it from the RUC they are all still in it ...and catholics have been apart of the RUC all along. (not in great numbers but there anyway. So your point has no sway.)

You call them terrorists just like you would call palistinians terrorists.... one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

fuzzywuzzy;1394272 wrote: What a racist post .

These forum members are from all over Ireland . From all different groups. and a good propaganda story is all very well to prove a mute point. If you want updates to bombs or murders or detainments I can give them to you hours after and in some cases whilst they are happening if you like ...just so you can prove your racist point between the differences of the Eiren peoples.

The forum is open to all and the banning goes on (and censorship to certain posts) when people are a bit over the top .

You just catorgorised a certain people.

And the only problem with the psni is they didn't change it from the RUC they are all still in it ...and catholics have been apart of the RUC all along. (not in great numbers but there anyway. So your point has no sway.)

You call them terrorists just like you would call palistinians terrorists.... one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.


They are murderous thugs and are regarded as such on both sides of the border and along with their protestant counterpart want to see the peace process derailed. I have tried being polite and getting you to do some research on the subject rather than seeing things in black and white or listening to some expat with rosy tinted spectacles eulogising a bunch of thugs. You seem to be unaware that the republic of ireland has been independent since 1922 and the north was excluded for the very simple reason that the protestant north were ready to fight for their freedom rather than submit to catholic rule. If you don't know the reasons for the divide maybe you should find out, you can't change the past and that a conflict three hundred years ago should still rip apart a nation might seem odd but that is human nature for you. The conflict is arguably on tribal lines rather than racist which doesn't make it any less depressing to watch or try to understand. As a scot with a good irish surname I should take offence at your cries of racism but I put it down to ignorance on your part or a feeble attempt at insult because you do not actually have an answer to the points I am making. I suspect you are not used to anyone challenging you in your rants. Religion is the heart and the cause of the troubles.

Fuzz... The IRA Is not some glorified TV series akin to Harry's Game If you ever got that In Aus.

Weather you choose to see the IRA as a bunch of heroic romantic freedom fighters or for the threat that they are, Is up to you.

Posting pro IRA comments on forums, If that Is what this Issue Is, Is bound to attract scutiny. How do you think they recruit?

Weather you agree or not, by our authorities they are deemed terrorists and our British Intelligence Is quite right In never forgetting that.

I remember you getting very upset on this forum re: the Bali bombing.... do you see Al Queda as gallant freedom fighters? If not then tell me the difference. Or Is It just different If your own are killed? When they blew up Australian tourists they were protesting about Western Invasion of Iraq... same thing Isn't It ?

[moderator note] following paragraphs plagiarised from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13196461 [/moderator note]

The Real IRA - and other dissident republican groups - are more interested in killing than negotiating. In spite of the pleas from priests and politicians to stop, the violence will continue. In Belfast and Dublin, police chiefs have known for some time the danger posed by groups like glaigh na hireann, the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA. The threat is severe, but the authorities believe they have the resources to deal with it.

Cross-border police co-operation is better now than at any point in Northern Ireland's 90-year history and because my Father Is Irish, I happen to know what I'm talking about.

If anyone Is stupid enough to post pro IRA comments on a public forum, don't come crying because It's suddenly all become very real and their family Is being Investigated. Play with fire and you get burnt.

fuzzywuzzy;1394272 wrote:



You call them terrorists just like you would call palistinians terrorists.... one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. And the children they murdered ????

SnoozeAgain;1394200 wrote: I've seen someone threaten another member of a forum for daring to even mention a motorcycle club's name, saying that all the big clubs monitor the internet and they WILL find the person even if there's no obvious way to know who the person is in real life.

This sounds like the same kind of thing.


Yeah, I remember that as well.

fuzzywuzzy;1394272 wrote:

You call them terrorists just like you would call palistinians terrorists.... one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.


Might I ask, whose freedom do you think they are fighting for?

To begin with you cal it pro IRA... I don't. Considering I've written the forum is made up of Sinn Fein and lots of others. So you don't know this person I speak of but now you say ....you say!!! they are IRA? ?? That's absurd!!

Al quada did not do the Bali bombings and we all know now that Al Quada is a made up CIA organisation.

The fact that always ..and I mean always on this forum if you talk about America enforcing totalitarian rule over a country you guys are right on the banwagon ...but when it comes to you enforcing totalitarian ways on other countrys it's Okay. And for some strange reason you think I havent educated myself? Why? Because I disagree with you ? You think my friends are only those expats? nope ..Actually they are people living there and experiencing this **** as we speak.

Thing is you want me to know and agree with YOUR reasons for the divide . I don't, it's as simple as that.

fuzzywuzzy;1394353 wrote:

Al quada did not do the Bali bombings and we all know now that Al Quada is a made up CIA organisation.




What?

fuzzywuzzy;1394353 wrote: To begin with you cal it pro IRA... I don't. Considering I've written the forum is made up of Sinn Fein and lots of others. So you don't know this person I speak of but now you say ....you say!!! they are IRA? ?? That's absurd!!

Al quada did not do the Bali bombings and we all know now that Al Quada is a made up CIA organisation.

The fact that always ..and I mean always on this forum if you talk about America enforcing totalitarian rule over a country you guys are right on the banwagon ...but when it comes to you enforcing totalitarian ways on other countrys it's Okay. And for some strange reason you think I havent educated myself? Why? Because I disagree with you ? You think my friends are only those expats? nope ..Actually they are people living there and experiencing this **** as we speak.

Thing is you want me to know and agree with YOUR reasons for the divide . I don't, it's as simple as that.


Do you actually know WHY the British occupied Northern Ireland?

[moderation note]following paragraphs plagiarised from http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108101.html [/moderator note]

Northern Ireland was an Integral part of the United Kingdom, but under the terms of the Government of Ireland Act in 1920, It had a semi-autonomous Government. In 1972, however, after three years of sectarian violence between Protestants and Catholics that resulted in more than 400 dead and thousands Injured, Britain suspended the Ulster parliament. The Ulster counties were governed directly from London after an attempt to return certain powers to an elected assembly in Belfast.

As a result of the Good Friday Agreement of 1998, a new coalition Government was formed on Dec. 2, 1999, with the British government formally transferring governing power to the Northern Irish parliament. David Trimble, Protestant leader of the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) and winner of the 1998 Nobel Peace Prize, became first minister. The government has been suspended four times since then; It has remained suspended since Oct. 14, 2002

So Fuzz, as Bryn asked.... what exactly are these gallant freedom fighters fighting for? The British forces had to be deployed In 1969 to keep law and order... what would you have proposed?

There Is a difference between Al Queda and the IRA.... Al Queda are Indiscriminate.... the IRA target police officers, children and women first.

fuzzywuzzy;1394353 wrote:

Al quada did not do the Bali bombings and we all know now that Al Quada is a made up CIA organisation.




How 'bout I ask around and see if anyone "knows that Al Quada is a made up CIA organisation"? Because it's news to me. If you mean that the CIA had a hand in training them back in the 80s - 90s, that's one thing but the way you wrote that makes it sound as if the organization doesn't actually exist at all. What exactly are you saying?

I am staying well away from this topic, but......ain't there always a but?

These sort of arguments normally start with 'The Troubles', Ireland's history and our involvement in it, goes a lot further back than that.

Now I am out of here......................

Okay, here's what I've got so far:

Well, I wouldn't say 'we all know', but I've seen some pretty convincing evidence, in the past, that Al Quada was/is not what it seemed to be and was/is far less of a real entity than we have been lead to believe.


Thank God the internet gives voice to the voiceless, and a voice to every crackpot with the ability to slam their palms onto a keyboard.


It is strange that we never heard of em till 911.....


Yeah - it seems to be defend the indefensible week. I got assholes feeling more sorry for a child molester of a 14 month old caught on film than the poor child itself.


I've just stopped caring this world has turned into a bunch of pussies that either stand up for nothing or stand up for the wrong thing. I worry about me and mine and thats all.

fuzzywuzzy;1394353 wrote: To begin with you cal it pro IRA... I don't. Considering I've written the forum is made up of Sinn Fein and lots of others. So you don't know this person I speak of but now you say ....you say!!! they are IRA? ?? That's absurd!!

Al quada did not do the Bali bombings and we all know now that Al Quada is a made up CIA organisation.

The fact that always ..and I mean always on this forum if you talk about America enforcing totalitarian rule over a country you guys are right on the banwagon ...but when it comes to you enforcing totalitarian ways on other countrys it's Okay. And for some strange reason you think I havent educated myself? Why? Because I disagree with you ? You think my friends are only those expats? nope ..Actually they are people living there and experiencing this **** as we speak.

Thing is you want me to know and agree with YOUR reasons for the divide . I don't, it's as simple as that.


OK then what do you think the reasons for the divide are? I know the historical background presumably you do as well. There are economic reasons as well but religion and bigotry is right at the heart of it all I think in this day and age for religious hatred to be causing such misery is ridiculous, I can understand the passions even if I don't agree with them. Why do you think the north is so set against joining with the south or are you suggesting the people of northern irish aren't really irish, if so what to do about them.

Here's another comment:

This **** is un****ingbelieveable!

This is absolute proof that Dwight Eisenhower was 100% correct in having the events of WW II's aftermath documented since he contended that one day people will try to claim that this never happened.

I always wonder why these people who claim such conspiracies and whine about the injustice and unfairness here....then tout how good it is elsewhere, don't MOVE TO WHERE THEY THINK IT'S SO GOOD!

Think Al Qaeda is made up? Then move to Iran, Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan and prove it!

No such thing as radical Islam? Then move to a fundamentalist Muslim country and prove it!

Communism is really great? Get on that fast boat to Cuba and show me!

Like Marxism so much? Then go to where Hugo Chavez will welcome you as a new slave...uh citizen.

In fact......move to anywhere but here and THEN bitch about how bad it is here compared to wherever you end up. But you have to go to some 3rd world shithole of a country for the offer to be valid since these are the places that you brainless lefties tout.

But above all......just get the **** out of MY country and stop trying to **** it up!

Most of them apparently missed the part where it's an Australian in love with the IRA, Americans see someone trying to claim that Al Qaeda doesn't really exist and most of us see red. Because, **** you Fuzzy. Do you also claim that we bombed the Twin Towers ourselves.

SnoozeAgain;1394417 wrote: Most of them apparently missed the part where it's an Australian in love with the IRA, Americans see someone trying to claim that Al Qaeda doesn't really exist and most of us see red. Because, **** you Fuzzy. Do you also claim that we bombed the Twin Towers ourselves.


Snoozey Pops ... don't worry yourself over this...

We have done the rounds with Fuzz and the IRA long before this thread. In fact, one member was so Insulted by her posts that he never returned to FG.

What actually alarms me Is that a normal young woman can get sucked In on another forum to that level and then bring It here.



Freedom fighters???? kiss my arsse........ cowards the lot of them..... watch the video Fuzz... young children were blown to pieces In those bombings.

The Good Friday Agreement and the presence of eg Martin McGuinness at the heart of government says great strides have been made in crossing the Catholic Protestant boundary. After all, Direct Rule was imposed and the Army sent in as a consequence of Protestant discrimination against the Catholic minority through their domination of Stormont. Something else that may turn out to be an enormous help is the recent Irish official disgust at the behaviour of the Catholic Church. A clear distancing of the Irish government from the Catholic Church would probably do more than any other single thing at this time to promote genuine unity in the island of Ireland.

If they talk of armed struggle, Fuzzy, have nothing to do with them. They are fools or worse.

Have England stop the internment of people and stick to the good friday agreement and then what people are saying here will make some kind of sence ...until then it's all propaganda.

fuzzywuzzy;1407480 wrote: Have England stop the internment of people and stick to the good friday agreement and then what people are saying here will make some kind of sence ...until then it's all propaganda.


OK then what do you think the reasons for the divide are?




You can't answer that can you because you don't know and are not prepared to find out for yourself preferring to regurgitate the last nonsense someone told you.

I know people like you on both sides of the divide. You get to the point you just stop trying to reason with them because you can't reason with people that won't talk or listen. Ideally the best thing would be to put them in a closed room with two clubs and not let them come out until they have settled their differences either by agreement or by killing each other at least that way they don't get innocent people involved.

Have England stop the internment of people and stick to the good friday agreement and then what people are saying here will make some kind of sence ...until then it's all propaganda.


You can't answer that can you because you don't know and are not prepared to find out for yourself preferring to regurgitate the last nonsense someone told you.


So everyone who listens to others other than yourself has no reason? I should believe something you've said because?????? England won't listen and the republican peoples are sick of talking. England is still plucking people off the street and interning them. Innocent human beings being put behind bars without trial, beaten, tortured, kept from their loved ones. Having to resort once again to hunger strikes and dirty protests. And you think this is okay? When people are told they aren't soldiers but criminals it is the epitomy of oppression. You focus on individuals during a war to make your point that it's just a small number of people who 'murdered' others ......**** happens in War !!!! ..............................32 CSM IRELAND!!!!!!!!!