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Roger Daltrey, the lead singer of The Who, says he will never forgive Labour for their mass immigration policies as he says they “destroyed the jobs of my mates

Why doesn't he just fff..ff...f..fade away then ?

Well, he has a point.

The whole immigration thing was not thought out well.

No better than our own migrant worker plans.

I know that if I was a poor guy in Eastern Europe, or Central America, I'd want to go where the jobs are.

You let me in, I'll take the job.

LarsMac;1441932 wrote: Well, he has a point.

The whole immigration thing was not thought out well.

No better than our own migrant worker plans.

I know that if I was a poor guy in Eastern Europe, or Central America, I'd want to go where the jobs are.

You let me in, I'll take the job.What would you recommend?

Ahso!;1441933 wrote: What would you recommend?


What would I recommend, for what?

The immigration situation. You said it's not thought out very well.

It obviously was not. Or, we would not have this kind of problem, today.

A little late for recommendations, isn't it.

Would be like offering advice on how to close the barn door.

As for how to get Mr Daltry to forgive Labor, nope. No advice there, either. The boy's got an attitude problem, I guess.

Obviously, I'm not asking you to fix the problem. I'm simply asking what is it specifically you think is wrong with the current policy and what you think should be or should have been done instead.

I personally don't know that much about it. I'm picking your brain.

Ahso!;1441937 wrote: I personally don't know that much about it. Well........thats a revelation.

I'm picking your brain.
Picking a brain ?

Or picking a wind up ?

Being that you don't know much about it by your own admittance.



Here we go...........another one of those bleeding threads.....bitching and back biting totally off topic..........jeeeeezuz

Phuck you, Bruv, quit your phucking complaining and grow the phuck up.

Ahso!;1441941 wrote: Phuck you, Bruv, quit your phucking complaining and grow the phuck up.


I rest my case.

Bruv;1441942 wrote: I rest my case.You have no case you phucking child.

I can ignore.......wonder if he can ?

Remember, you picked this fight.

The "current Policy" may not be the policy that got everybody into this mess.

Though not sure anybody has come up with a fix.

Not even sure it can be "fixed" now.

If England wanted to remain "English" they should have thought about that before letting in all those "foreigners", and giving them citizenship.

Now they are a whole different England. They must now deal with the cards they have dealt themselves.

The US, on the other hand, is a nation of immigrants, and will remain so until we make significant changes to the Constitution, which was designed by immigrants, to make the place a haven for more immigrants.

Somehow, I think we must adjust to the changing demographics. Adapt, or die.

I suppose it depends on what "a mess" means. I've lived in NY, California, Arizona and Pa and I've never been affected by immigration. Sometimes it's difficult communicating, but I don't mind what nationality a person is, only that we can live together.

I think by and large, the concerns about immigration to the average person is the perceived threat to the culture and since I'm flexible in that area, immigration is a non issue for me.

I can't see why Daultry's "mates" don't beat out foreigners for jobs in their homeland unless they're a bunch of asswholes. Perhaps, instead of looking at the immigrant standing next to them Daultry and his "mates" should look in the mirror.

Ahso!;1441948 wrote: I suppose it depends on what "a mess" means. I've lived in NY, California, Arizona and Pa and I've never been affected by immigration. Sometimes it's difficult communicating, but I don't mind what nationality a person is, only that we can live together.

I think by and large, the concerns about immigration to the average person is the perceived threat to the culture and since I'm flexible in that area, immigration is a non issue for me.


Yeah, that is a common opinion I run into. "If it does not directly impact me, it's not a problem."

But then, I cannot say how much immigration, legal or illegal, has directly impacted me, either. I do see a very large increase in the Latino population in places like Arkansas, and the Carolinas, Virginia, and even Minnesota. Is that really a problem? Are there enough illegal immigrants from the south to have as drastic an impact on the American economy as some folks claim? I dunno.

Back to Mr Daltry. The real problem in my opinion has to be viewed from the entire historical perspective. Was it really the Liberals making it easy for Eastern Europeans to come to the UK that ruined the economy for the British, or perhaps, people in the UK became less reasonable about what constituted good pay for labor received, and it was becoming too expensive to get local labor to do the work, and the Poles and various other immigrants said, "wow! we will do that work for less."

I witnessed an interesting phenomenon in South Florida around 2000. I had purchased a house in an area that was being rapidly developed as the housing boom was hitting its peak.

There were two houses being built on lots close to my house. They were very similar in design. One house was being built by a contractor using local labor. The other contractor had crews who were from Mexico.

The house being built by the locals started up in March. It took a week and a half to lay the slab and build the walls. The first inspection failed. rework was needed. about the time they began the rework, the second house began, before the rework was complete, the workers had the walls up, and the first inspection passed. the roofing crews began about the same time.

The Mexican crew consisted of about six guys. The American crew, eight. The Mexicans brought in 3/4 inch plywood for the decking. The Americans, 1/2 inch. The Mexicans had two guys on the ground cutting the wood according to the measurements called down by the four on the roof. Where they could, the Mexicans used the pieces left from the cuttings.

By end of the first day, the Mexicans had most of the decking done, and were going through the cut pieces to find pieces to finish up. Second day they were done, and on to the felt.

The Locals, had six guys on the roof, each with his own saw, while two guys on the ground passed up raw sheets. The guys would cut a sheet to fit a spot, and toss the cut piece down.

The locals ended up having to wait for more wood when they ran out, early in the second day. They came back the third day and finished the decking, and had to wait for felt and shingles to be delivered. The Mexicans finished the felt and began shingles on day three as soon as the inspector signed off.

The Locals were still working on the felt when the Mexicans gathered up their trash, and waited for the inspector to come back out for another sign off.

The locals got their felt delivered as the Mexicans were gathering up their tools and moving to a new house.

The locals were required to do a rework on the felt before the inspector would sign off, and on the fifth day, they were permitted to start the shingles.

three days later the locals were finished and they gather up a rather large pile of left-over wood from the decking, along with all the felt that they had to rip off when it failed inspection.

I found out later that the locals charged per man per hour, while the Mexicans charged per house.

So the question:

Were the Mexicans the problem, or perhaps were they the solution?

I reckon it depends on how you define the problem.

What d'ya think?

I think that sound like good old competition at work and doing its thing.

Ahso!;1441953 wrote: I think that sound like good old competition at work and doing its thing.


You remind me of my grandson.

Everything filters through your own personal PoV, and nothing matters unless you care about it. You only argue for the sake of trying to expose others as your lesser.

Really quite fascinating. You must be fun to hang out with.

Ahso!;1441950 wrote: I can't see why Daultry's "mates" don't beat out foreigners for jobs in their homeland unless they're a bunch of asswholes. Perhaps, instead of looking at the immigrant standing next to them Daultry and his "mates" should look in the mirror.


Or even Daltry...

The clue Is In the title.

Anyway, my husband has fished with Roger Daltry here so ner.

Lakedown Trout Fishery by Andy Lush| The Friendly Fisherman

LarsMac;1441990 wrote:

Everything filters through your own personal PoV, and nothing matters unless you care about it. You only argue for the sake of trying to expose others as your lesser.

Really quite fascinating. You must be fun to hang out with.I'm probably guilty as charged except for the highlighted part. I don't consider anyone my lessor. Do I challenge others whose POV is different than mine? Yes. Why? Because in reality I'm challenging my own POV through them. I'm constantly reviewing myself, my thoughts and my opinions. If you knew me a few years back you'd know I've changed quite a bit regarding my views, especially those views about me.

Enough about me - what do you think about what I've said?

But seriously, your fears are only that. They're yours, and they are, without doubt, fear. But your post was a fairly good front and I probably would have fallen for it not that long ago. You should go back to that thread and continue working on advancing it.

My fears? What fears are those?



As for your views, sorry, what were those again?

You mean where you said, " I think that sound like good old competition at work and doing its thing."

I don't see that as competition, at all. Were I going to have a house built, I would go with the Mexicans. I can't even understand the logic that would justify paying the locals to be so inept. Yet there are many who would claim that I am anti-American for that attitude.

Did the point I was trying to make blow right over your head? If so, I apologize.

The problem seems to be dependent upon the person, looking at it. Mr Daltrey's mates failed to be able to compete with the Poles who would do the same job for a fraction of the pay. He blames the liberal party for their lack of foresight when they made immigration so easy.

Is he right? Should the Brits have had a more stringent rule for allowing immigrant workers? Should they have simply shut the borders and kept the work in country?

Would that have really worked out? What goal would justify that?

Look at the Swiss. They have far more restrictions on immigrant workers than any other western nation. How does it work for them?

My point, my dear friend, was that the Mexican workers out performed the American workers and would therefore most likely get my business as well. Is it bad those Mexicans were in the country? I'd imagine not in the minds of the people who hired them. Perhaps the compitition will drive the locals to do better. That was the meaning behind my answer.

I've already admitted that immigration is not a subject I've bothered familiarizing myself with, and the reason for that is that I think it's a red-herring issue. I see no rhyme or reason not to permit people across the border, but that might change with more knowledge. But on it's face, I see nothing wrong with immigration per se.

Do I really have to go researching the Swiss policy? Can't you simply inform me on it?

As to your fears: when it appears I'm arguing with you, don't run because you fear I'm trying to make you appear my lessor. Face me. I'm not the boogeyman, man. You're not my lessor and I know that very well. Now, go back.

If England wanted to remain "English" they should have thought about that before letting in all those "foreigners", and giving them citizenship.

Now they are a whole different England. They must now deal with the cards they have dealt themselves.


Bit late for that, the english themselves are hardly native british, The irony is that the two main protagonists that are pushing an anti-immigration agenda - nigel farage and nick griffin are both the descendants of immigrants, maybe we should kick them out first. Come to that the queen is not actually english, and her husband is a greek. The UK is a mongrel nation whether we like it or not. Incidentally I'm not english either in case you were wondering. it's not actually east euriopean immigrants that concern most people anyway.

Ahso!;1442007 wrote: My point, my dear friend, was that the Mexican workers out performed the American workers and would therefore most likely get my business as well. Is it bad those Mexicans were in the country? I'd imagine not in the minds of the people who hired them. Perhaps the compitition will drive the locals to do better. That was the meaning behind my answer.

I've already admitted that immigration is not a subject I've bothered familiarizing myself with, and the reason for that is that I think it's a red-herring issue. I see no rhyme or reason not to permit people across the border, but that might change with more knowledge. But on it's face, I see nothing wrong with immigration per se.


I don't care all that much, either. What's done is done. I mean, if you want a country that doesn't change much, then don't let different people into it. Once they are there, things are going to change. If the French and Germans don't like all the Muslims that have moved into their countries, they shouldn't have started inviting them in to work and take the jobs they didn't want to do themselves. Now that they are in, they will have kids and bring relatives over and now you have a lot more than you bargained for.

Same in the States. If we didn't want Spanish-speaking folks in our English-Speaking country, we shouldn't have taken over Texas, and California, and we shouldn't have allowed migrant workers to come pick our crops for our lazy butts.

Ahso!;1442007 wrote: Do I really have to go researching the Swiss policy? Can't you simply inform me on it?
I really have no more time for that than you do.

Ahso!;1442007 wrote: As to your fears: when it appears I'm arguing with you, don't run because you fear I'm trying to make you appear my lessor. Face me. I'm not the boogeyman, man. You're not my lessor and I know that very well. Now, go back.


Um, OK.

gmc;1442010 wrote: Bit late for that, the english themselves are hardly native british, The irony is that the two main protagonists that are pushing an anti-immigration agenda - nigel farage and nick griffin are both the descendants of immigrants, maybe we should kick them out first. Come to that the queen is not actually english, and her husband is a greek. The UK is a mongrel nation whether we like it or not. Incidentally I'm not english either in case you were wondering. it's not actually east euriopean immigrants that concern most people anyway.


For me, it's not about nationality at all...it's concern over the numbers of immigrants the UK can realistically accept.

gmc;1442010 wrote: Bit late for that, the english themselves are hardly native british, The irony is that the two main protagonists that are pushing an anti-immigration agenda - nigel farage and nick griffin are both the descendants of immigrants, maybe we should kick them out first. Come to that the queen is not actually english, and her husband is a greek. The UK is a mongrel nation whether we like it or not. Incidentally I'm not english either in case you were wondering. it's not actually east euriopean immigrants that concern most people anyway.


Yeah, I wasn't even going there.

Pretty much the whole world is made up of immigrants if you go back far enough.

as for my country, Irony of Americans complaining about immigration has always been amusing to me.