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The Science of Why Some People Don't Believe in Science...

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:36 am
by Saint_
I heard a quote the other day that distressed me. (For much the same reason I was distressed earlier today at a member.)

"How ironic it is that America, which has benefitted more from technology and science than any country in history, is becoming a nation of science deniers."

Now that I am calmer, I did some interesting research.



The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science

How our brains fool us on climate, creationism, and the end of the world.

By Chris Mooney

The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science

"A MAN WITH A CONVICTION is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point." So wrote the celebrated Stanford University psychologist Leon Festinger in a passage that might have been referring to climate change denial—the persistent rejection, on the part of so many Americans today, of what we know about global warming and its human causes. But it was too early for that—this was the 1950s—and Festinger was actually describing a famous case study in psychology.

Festinger and several of his colleagues had infiltrated the Seekers, a small Chicago-area cult whose members thought they were communicating with aliens—including one, "Sananda," who they believed was the astral incarnation of Jesus Christ. The group was led by Dorothy Martin, a Dianetics devotee who transcribed the interstellar messages through automatic writing.

Through her, the aliens had given the precise date of an Earth-rending cataclysm: December 21, 1954. Some of Martin's followers quit their jobs and sold their property, expecting to be rescued by a flying saucer when the continent split asunder and a new sea swallowed much of the United States. The disciples even went so far as to remove brassieres and rip zippers out of their trousers—the metal, they believed, would pose a danger on the spacecraft.

Festinger and his team were with the cult when the prophecy failed. First, the "boys upstairs" (as the aliens were sometimes called) did not show up and rescue the Seekers. Then December 21 arrived without incident. It was the moment Festinger had been waiting for: How would people so emotionally invested in a belief system react, now that it had been soundly refuted?

At first, the group struggled for an explanation. But then rationalization set in. A new message arrived, announcing that they'd all been spared at the last minute. Festinger summarized the extraterrestrials' new pronouncement: "The little group, sitting all night long, had spread so much light that God had saved the world from destruction." Their willingness to believe in the prophecy had saved Earth from the prophecy!

From that day forward, the Seekers, previously shy of the press and indifferent toward evangelizing, began to proselytize. "Their sense of urgency was enormous," wrote Festinger. The devastation of all they had believed had made them even more certain of their beliefs.

In the annals of denial, it doesn't get much more extreme than the Seekers. They lost their jobs, the press mocked them, and there were efforts to keep them away from impressionable young minds. But while Martin's space cult might lie at on the far end of the spectrum of human self-delusion, there's plenty to go around. And since Festinger's day, an array of new discoveries in psychology and neuroscience has further demonstrated how our preexisting beliefs, far more than any new facts, can skew our thoughts and even color what we consider our most dispassionate and logical conclusions. This tendency toward so-called "motivated reasoning" helps explain why we find groups so polarized over matters where the evidence is so unequivocal: climate change, vaccines, "death panels," the birthplace and religion of the president [6] (PDF), and much else. It would seem that expecting people to be convinced by the facts flies in the face of, you know, the facts.

The theory of motivated reasoning builds on a key insight of modern neuroscience: Reasoning is actually suffused with emotion (or what researchers often call "affect"). Not only are the two inseparable, but our positive or negative feelings about people, things, and ideas arise much more rapidly than our conscious thoughts, in a matter of milliseconds—fast enough to detect with an EEG device, but long before we're aware of it. That shouldn't be surprising: Evolution required us to react very quickly to stimuli in our environment. It's a "basic human survival skill," explains political scientist Arthur Lupia of the University of Michigan. We push threatening information away; we pull friendly information close. We apply fight-or-flight reflexes not only to predators, but to data itself.

Consider a person who has heard about a scientific discovery that deeply challenges her belief in divine creation—a new hominid, say, that confirms our evolutionary origins. What happens next, explains political scientist Charles Taber of Stony Brook University, is a subconscious negative response to the new information—and that response, in turn, guides the type of memories and associations formed in the conscious mind. "They retrieve thoughts that are consistent with their previous beliefs," says Taber, "and that will lead them to build an argument and challenge what they're hearing."

In other words, when we think we're reasoning, we may instead be rationalizing. Or to use an analogy offered by University of Virginia psychologist Jonathan Haidt: We may think we're being scientists, but we're actually being lawyers. Our "reasoning" is a means to a predetermined end—winning our "case"—and is shot through with biases. They include "confirmation bias," in which we give greater heed to evidence and arguments that bolster our beliefs, and "disconfirmation bias," in which we expend disproportionate energy trying to debunk or refute views and arguments that we find uncongenial.


The Science of Why Some People Don't Believe in Science...

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:19 am
by tude dog
Saint_;1456833 wrote:



"A MAN WITH A CONVICTION is a hard man to change.


Well, yea.



Tell him you disagree and he turns away.


Maybe, maybe not.

Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources.


As any person who give credit to the Scientific method (whatever that is) would. .

wrote: Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point."


Two things come to mind.

1) was not well explained

2) was faulty

Having convictions, questioning authority and not blindly accepting assertions of logic, in my world are commendable.

I find it interesting the author titled this Why We Don't Believe Science. This is coming from somebody who bashes faith based people.

The Science of Why Some People Don't Believe in Science...

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:12 pm
by Wandrin
[QUOTE=tude dog;1456860

Two things come to mind.

1) was not well explained

2) was faulty

Having convictions, questioning authority and not blindly accepting assertions of logic, in my world are commendable.

I find it interesting the author titled this Why We Don't Believe Science. This is coming from somebody who bashes faith based people.


I didn't read any bashing of "faith based people" in the article.

It has been my experience that some "faith based people" tend to view science as a competing faith, rather than a fact based system.

The Science of Why Some People Don't Believe in Science...

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:17 pm
by recovering conservative
Saint_;1456833 wrote: I heard a quote the other day that distressed me. (For much the same reason I was distressed earlier today at a member.)

"How ironic it is that America, which has benefitted more from technology and science than any country in history, is becoming a nation of science deniers."

Now that I am calmer, I did some interesting research.



The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science

How our brains fool us on climate, creationism, and the end of the world.

By Chris Mooney

The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science


I've heard Chris Mooney give this speech before when he used to host - Point Of Inquiry, and covered many of the issues dealing with problems of science education & fundamentalism in America. I agree with much of what he says, except that his side - the rational, secular...usually atheist fans of science and technology have their own logic blindspots:

Unqualified faith in human ingenuity and scientific progress to create technological fixes for all of our problems...including the environment and climate change.

A faith-based presumption of the European Enlightenment that the course of history is no longer cyclical, but is now linear....meaning that ever since the enlightenment, progress will continue unending into the future...with a few setbacks and hiccups along the way of course.

I don't want to derail the topic to a side discussion of the merits of Stephen Pinker, but the best recent example of the modern enlightened humanist circle-jerk would be Stephen Pinker's "The Better Angels of Our Nature. Acceptance of Pinker's logic that we are entering a cornucopian world of peace and plenty, depends more on how much faith the reader has that technology, capitalism and globalization, and game theory principles, rather than any critical analysis of his data and statistical analysis methods.

Just sayin nobody...not even the most science and reason-based secular humanists base all of their beliefs on logic and evidence! With all of the fans of capitalist economics including globalization, and fans of technology and scientific progress - it's no surprise that Pinker has won accolades and been richly rewarded for bolstering the faith in today's status quo at a time when our species appears on the precipice of extinction because of all of the successes mentioned by Pinker and other fans of growth and progress.

Most of the people that Chris Mooney identifies as pro-tech/anti-science would be the Christian and Islamic fundamentalists (and in recent years we can add Hindu fundamentalists as well), who were fans of science and new discovery....until it started threatening the foundations of their pre-existing faiths! Much of the reason for this gets a little complicated, although many theologians are in broad agreement that fundamentalism and hostility to science and outside ideas have grown because many religions have become increasingly focused on their books, rather than their rituals and oral traditions.

The majority of religious adherents of a whole range of religions do not have great concern over whether their favourite book is in synch with science...they'll find ways to work around it. I suspect that the fundamentalists who are most threatened...and build arks and creation museums, have the least faith of all...otherwise they wouldn't feel such a strong need to try to find or conflate evidence for their beliefs.

I think I would respect Christian fundamentalism more if it provided an honest critique of society, rather than co-opting everything that's wrong in the modern world: American-style fundamentalist Christianity is pro-capitalist, pro-wealth/anti-poor, pro-materialism, anti-sex, and pro-technology. To me, they embrace everything that's wrong and sick in modern culture, but provide their little church and their theologies as bandaid solutions for their flock to get through the day. I knew it was inevitable...but when modern fundamentalist leaders started coming out strongly as deniers of global warming and showing complete contempt for environmental issues, it became clear to me that they will continue to be wrong on every important social issue, and welcome future destruction, whether it's by climate change or nuclear war!

The Science of Why Some People Don't Believe in Science...

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:09 pm
by Mark Aspam
The article is, in my opinion, overly analytic.

More simply stated, there are lots of really stupid people in the USA.

The Republican party is fully aware of this, and courts these morons shamelessly.

Ditto the various "fundamentalist" religious bodies.