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When asked if she's a feminist gorgeous Kaley replied "Is it bad if I say no? It’s not really something I think about. Things are different now........"

I stumbled across her on "The Big Bang Theory" and she is only part of the reason I am a fan of the show.

Is she wrong...........or has the previous generations paved the way for the likes of her ?

Bruv;1470661 wrote: When asked if she's a feminist gorgeous Kaley replied "Is it bad if I say no? It’s not really something I think about. Things are different now........"

I stumbled across her on "The Big Bang Theory" and she is only part of the reason I am a fan of the show.

Is she wrong...........or has the previous generations paved the way for the likes of her ?


She's not wrong, she's happy and she's getting equal pay. Hopefully if her life changed to the extent she was paid less than her male co-star or she was forced to spend all her time looking after a spouse she'd change her tack and assert a feminist side more.

When at uni, one of the students was telling us that in three years time if she had a job as a primary teacher and her partner had the same job but got paid more than her she wouldn't make a fuss! I was quite amazed and wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry

Bruv;1470661 wrote: When asked if she's a feminist gorgeous Kaley replied "Is it bad if I say no? It’s not really something I think about. Things are different now........"

I stumbled across her on "The Big Bang Theory" and she is only part of the reason I am a fan of the show.

Is she wrong...........or has the previous generations paved the way for the likes of her ?


She is also part of the reason I'm a fan of the show.

Its difficult for me to answer the question "What exactly is a feminist" It means different things to different people, with regard to their circumstances and where they stand in the society in which they live/work. If she' hasnt met the sexism that faces many women or isnt witness to such, her political outlook to the issue would be less militant at the very least.

Its a very good show. Only really caught up with it a few months ago, so Ive watched it mostly out of sequence

“We (men) made the mistake of calling married women “ONLY house wives. Women themselves bought into that **** too. Now we're suffering the consequences of a lack in appreciation for all of those wonderful things that were traditionally considered “women's work. It is so bad that it has become an insult for a woman to be seen pushing the pram. More trouble is ahead.

Kaley's problem is (& it's not a problem for her) she leads a fabulous, wealthy life & is a beautiful woman. She could at least consider the rest of the world, but it's not on her radar.

AnneBoleyn;1470713 wrote: Kaley's problem is (& it's not a problem for her) she leads a fabulous, wealthy life & is a beautiful woman. She could at least consider the rest of the world, but it's not on her radar.


Jane Fonda (despite her wealth, fame and beauty) went to Ha Noi for the benefit of a whole generation. The problem was - that although she was probably trying to do “the right thing - she was just too naïve to understand the consequence of a lack of support from those who mattered. She paid a terrible price for it and had to publicly do a whole lot of grovelling and back-pedalling. Lots of Rock Stars make emphatic statements about their political convictions (read “ignorance) and who are they to talk? Kaley's problem is that people think she should represent a cause she knows so little about. Would it be alright if she just lives her life?

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I had to look up to see just who this Kaley Cuoco is.

OK fine, she is purdy and financially well to do. I don't see where that detracts from her statement.

Fact is on a legal basis, the "feminists" have achieved all their goals.

Sorry girls (not really) that it did not result in a utopia you dreamed of.

High Threshold;1470746 wrote: Jane Fonda

tude dog;1470748 wrote: I had to look up to see just who this Kaley Cuoco is.




Me too.

tude dog;1470749 wrote:


Oh come on! You can insult me as much as you like .... but Jane Fonda? She was the only hero (or is that heroine?) of the Vietnam war.

High Threshold;1470750 wrote: Me too.



Oh come on! You can insult me as much as you like .... but Jane Fonda? She was the only hero (or is that heroine?) of the Vietnam war.


Many people protested the war. I can disagree with them and respect their efforts.

Hanoi Jane, anything but heroic. More like traitor.

tude dog;1470751 wrote: Many people protested the war. I can disagree with them and respect their efforts.

Hanoi Jane, anything but heroic. More like traitor.


When the world meekly protested against the dying and killing of an unworthy war ¦. Jane Fonda was the first person of notoriety to stand up and say, “I hear you! She was the first Vietnam-era Hero. Perhaps the only one. Without her contribution the war might still be raging on. That is a REAL hero. She volunteered - and there was no Uncle Sam or USO to guide her through. She and Martin Luther King were the most courageous persons in modern, American history.

tude dog;1470748 wrote: I had to look up to see just who this Kaley Cuoco is.

OK fine, she is purdy and financially well to do. I don't see where that detracts from her statement.

Fact is on a legal basis, the "feminists" have achieved all their goals.

Sorry girls (not really) that it did not result in a utopia you dreamed of.


If that is the case - that feminists have achieved all their goals - why is it in 2014 the president of the united states has to sign an executive order on equal pay for women and access to birth control and family planning have been curtailed throughout the unites states? You tolerate a situation where an employer can tell a female employee tghat she can't use birth control without their consent in most western european countries that would be viewed as a severe infringement of someones rights.

High Threshold;1470753 wrote: When the world meekly protested against the dying and killing of an unworthy war ¦. Jane Fonda was the first person of notoriety to stand up and say, “I hear you! She was the first Vietnam-era Hero. Perhaps the only one. Without her contribution the war might still be raging on. That is a REAL hero. She volunteered - and there was no Uncle Sam or USO to guide her through. She and Martin Luther King were the most courageous persons in modern, American history.


Your worship of Jane Fonda's role in the anti-war movement, in which yours truly played an important & active role, is misplaced. You are also wrong about the 'price' she paid. She went on to win Oscars, to be in demand for movie roles, to be enriched. She deserved those because of her superior acting talents. But her role in ending the war is non-existent. If any one event truly turned the tide of American hearts & minds it would be the killing of four students protesting the war by the National Guard at Ohio State University.

As for those who will hate her forever, including TD, so what? Her attempts at apologizing are not sincere & actually damage the cause of the anti-Vietnam movement.

Until a woman has absolute control over her own person women will never be equal to men. I like Kaley Cuoco, she is fun to watch, but she is empty-headed inside her beautiful head. Most people seem to be, can't blame her for being average on that score.

AnneBoleyn;1470760 wrote: Your worship of Jane Fonda's role in the anti-war movement, in which yours truly played an important & active role, is misplaced. You are also wrong about the 'price' she paid. She went on to win Oscars, to be in demand for movie roles, to be enriched. She deserved those because of her superior acting talents. But her role in ending the war is non-existent. If any one event truly turned the tide of American hearts & minds it would be the killing of four students protesting the war by the National Guard at Ohio State University.

As for those who will hate her forever, including TD, so what? Her attempts at apologizing are not sincere & actually damage the cause of the anti-Vietnam movement.


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Fame and Oscars? I think you do not fully appreciate the price she paid in realizing the masses were against her and that her support for the real soldier was marginalized. Heartfelt or not (“not being even a worse hardship to bear) she stood up and tried to appease Big Brother and it must have got stuck in her throat. That is a price much larger than you are willing to acknowledge.

Her role was extremely important. You are very short-sighted not to see it.

High Threshold;1470765 wrote: DISCLAIMER: The following message contains no anger, animosity, or singling out of anyone or anything with malicious intent.

Fame and Oscars? I think you do not fully appreciate the price she paid in realizing the masses were against her and that her support for the real soldier was marginalized. Heartfelt or not (“not being even a worse hardship to bear) she stood up and tried to appease Big Brother and it must have got stuck in her throat. That is a price much larger than you are willing to acknowledge.

Her role was extremely important. You are very short-sighted not to see it.


Yes, big price--fame, fortune & the respect of her peers in the film community. I agree her role was important, just not as important as you do.

If the masses were against her, they paid to see her worthy performances anyway. Tude Dog does not speak for everyone. You see the USA, it appears, as a giant mass that agree with each other. That's so not true.

PS--one great thing Jane did & is duly appreciated for is her role in the Fitness Movement. She affected everyone's life with her Fitness tapes & created a revolution which caused gyms, fitness instructors all over the country to make millions while having a genuine influence on health & the health industry. During those times no one but a few misfits were calling her Hanoi Jane or gave a wit about anything except how she looked in tights.

Jane Fonda would not agree with your opinion & my cousin, who at the time was a movie executive, was very close with her & Tom Hayden, would be at their home about once a week, knew her exceptionally well. She wasn't hurtin' for nuthin'.

AnneBoleyn;1470713 wrote: Kaley's problem is (& it's not a problem for her) she leads a fabulous, wealthy life & is a beautiful woman. She could at least consider the rest of the world, but it's not on her radar.


Hahaha...yeah. that's the same reaction I have whenever I hear the rich giving out advice to the poor. "What the hell do you know about it?"

AnneBoleyn;1470766 wrote: Yes, big price--fame, fortune & the respect of her peers in the film community. I agree her role was important, just not as important as you do.

If the masses were against her, they paid to see her worthy performances anyway. Tude Dog does not speak for everyone. You see the USA, it appears, as a giant mass that agree with each other. That's so not true.


You don't get it, do you. You simply repeat your earlier post and have completely ignored the response I've already made to that point. Your reply is awfully material-oriented. Though I am not going to give you a lesson on the quality of life, I will say that there are more important things than money and fame. You have missed that part of my message ...... TWICE.

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High Threshold;1470771 wrote: I will say that there are more important things than money and fame.


Fame, you bet. I can take it or leave it. As a matter of fact, I have a bit of degree of it, having taught over 13,000 people in a community of 30,000. I think I liked it better when no one knew me and I didn't have to meet, greet, and speak with people every time I left the house.

Money, on the other hand...not so much. Money can buy happiness...for real.

Saint_;1470772 wrote: Fame, you bet. I can take it or leave it. As a matter of fact, I have a bit of degree of it, having taught over 13,000 people in a community of 30,000. I think I liked it better when no one knew me and I didn't have to meet, greet, and speak with people every time I left the house.

Money, on the other hand...not so much. Money can buy happiness...for real.


I knew that was you!!!Pshaw! You didn't fool me with that hat. I thought "The Sting" was hokey but I loved you "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid"! Can I have your autograph, please? For my wife and children, I mean. :yh_worshp

Saint_;1470772 wrote: Money, on the other hand...not so much. Money can buy happiness...for real.
Which explains the disproportionate number of depressive wealthy suicides.

High Threshold;1470773 wrote: I knew that was you!!!Pshaw! You didn't fool me with that hat. I thought "The Sting" was hokey but I loved you "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid"! Can I have your autograph, please? For my wife and children, I mean. :yh_worshp


oh you kid! On the other hand: I was born in Victoria Hospital in Hollywood and adopted. See any resemblance?

Too much money, or too little...both are fatal.

FourPart;1470774 wrote: Which explains the disproportionate number of depressive wealthy suicides.


THAT is a very interesting observation. Saint makes the distinction between Fame and Wealth. And now you chime in about the lack of representation of wealthy suicide. In itself removing the Famous from the equation ..... and we all know the high rate of suicide among those. Well done!

Saint_;1470775 wrote: oh you kid! On the other hand: I was born in Victoria Hospital in Hollywood and adopted. See any resemblance?




I sincerely applaud you for avoiding the plastic surgeon. There is nothing uglier than a face-lifted puss.

High Threshold;1470779 wrote: I sincerely applaud you for avoiding the plastic surgeon. There is nothing uglier than a face-lifted puss.


thanks, but I should probably get that nose reset some day. Either that or get in a fight with a left handed guy for once.

Saint_;1470780 wrote: thanks, but I should probably get that nose reset some day. Either that or get in a fight with a left handed guy for once.


It's a shame how few of those there are about these day ....

Saint_;1470772 wrote: Fame, you bet. I can take it or leave it. As a matter of fact, I have a bit of degree of it, having taught over 13,000 people in a community of 30,000. I think I liked it better when no one knew me and I didn't have to meet, greet, and speak with people every time I left the house.

Money, on the other hand...not so much. Money can buy happiness...for real.


Assuming you're been a teacher for 20 years, that averages out to 650 people per year that you're claiming to have taught. Hmmm...

Snooz;1470782 wrote: Assuming you're been a teacher for 20 years, that averages out to 650 people per year that you're claiming to have taught. Hmmm...


Ah snooze...always the pot stirrer aren't you? Have you forgotten that I teach Day School, Night School, After School Program, Saturday school, and Summer School as well? Sometimes even double summer school, both middle and high school, all June and July?

Twenty one years. Average 28 students per class, normal day. After School Program averages 40 - 50 students and runs four times a year, once each nine weeks. Night School averages 150 - 200 plus students and runs four times a year as well (All of those are not my students, mind you, but I do interact and know most of them.) And of course Summer School used to average close to 360 students, but now is around 180 to 200 for each session. Saturday school isn't as popular, maybe twenty kids a day, (It's optional) and hasn't been going for the whole time, it just started a few years ago. For eight years, I ran my own school, the Transition Academy, which was a remediation school for eighth graders who did not pass and were required to attend a half day there and a half day at the high school. We had two groups of 50 change out at noon. Did I mention I substituted for a year before I started teaching? The state doesn't count that, but I do. All in all... I'd say 650 a year is a pretty conservative estimate.

Of course the point was that I know over a third of our little community personally and I can't go anywhere, out to dinner, shopping, or just filling up with gas without seeing my ex-students. That's certainly a fame of a kind. Oh, and of course I met most of the parents of these children as well at conferences and functions. There's also no doubt that I don't know of any teachers who have worked as much as I have in the time I've been teaching. None even come close. Not to say that I am that dedicated. I had no choice due to my wife's medical problems.

But you rush out and do the math for me, will you? I'm a little tired and I know I can count on you to check my math for me. lol.

High Threshold;1470771 wrote: You don't get it, do you. You simply repeat your earlier post and have completely ignored the response I've already made to that point. Your reply is awfully material-oriented. Though I am not going to give you a lesson on the quality of life, I will say that there are more important things than money and fame. You have missed that part of my message ...... TWICE.

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My cousin was one of her & Tom's best friends for years. He assures me she did not feel harmed in any way. You are repeating yourself too. Explain HOW she was harmed? Was there a physical attack? No. She bloomed, she blossomed, she grew as a human being. So, aside from some right wingers calling her names, explain, please, what form did any harm to her take? Btw, I myself knew Tom Hayden quite well, before he met Jane, and not in any romantic way, the business was purely anti-war activities. Sooooooooooo, I actually know the folks involved, while you are just using your imagination. Some examples of her harassment might be helpful. You are the one who doesn't get it & you are behaving arrogantly.

Do you not think, HT, that anyone who stands up for what they believe gets a few kicks in the a$$? Many people over the years of recorded history suffered attacks from the masses. What to do? Nothing, or something? You have to be willing to pay the price of your actions, or don't take them. I remember folks who truly suffered for their stances in life, including Vietnam. We're either all of us heroes, or all of us doing what we are called to do. Jane Fonda is a grown-up, not a complainer. She knows her life has been a good one, a productive one. You are wasting your time thinking she ever spends a moment (I'll bet) worrying about what the red-necks say. Not the Masses, as you claim, just a very vocal Minority.

Just playing Bubble Shooter & thought of Vanessa Redgrave. This woman really suffered in her career when she came out as pro-Palestinian way before it was more 'popular' to do so. She actually lost a lot of prime roles for many years after that, & it was a long time, (decades?) before she started getting roles again & by then she was no longer as fabulously beautiful as she was when she made her statements, I believe at the Oscar ceremonies.

Off topic, sorry. I'm still trying to wrap my head around someone averaging 650 students per year. Say a classroom holds 40 students, six periods in the day... that's 240 students for a school year. Summer school is maybe two - three classes with fewer students but lets say 40 again. That's 120. Night school - two classes per semester, four semesters let's say 20 in the class = 120 students. High estimate is 480 students unless you're teaching to an auditorium sized classroom which is unlikely since you're in a small community.

And I don't see how you could have taught that many people in that small community unless quite a few kids are repeating grades.

Don't mean to be obsessive but those numbers just seem really off.

Snooz;1470782 wrote: Assuming you're been a teacher for 20 years, that averages out to 650 people per year that you're claiming to have taught. Hmmm...
I would put 600 / year at a very Conservative estimate. Think about it. Teachers don't just have a single class that they teach all day every day. A class might have about 30 in it. When I was at school there were 8 x 35 minute periods per day - some some double periods, of course, averaging out to, say, 6 sessions. 6 x 30 gives about 180 students per DAY. Work those figures over a school year & multiply that by a lifetime's career in teaching, and it's no small feat.

Who the heck is Kaley Cuoco ? I've never heard of her ! :-3 :rolleyes:

G#Gill;1470800 wrote: Who the heck is Kaley Cuoco ? I've never heard of her ! :-3 :rolleyes:


She is gorgeous Gilly really gorgeous .....HERE.......and she's in this.......HERE

Bruv;1470801 wrote: She is gorgeous Gilly really gorgeous .....HERE.......and she's in this.......HERE


Thank you Bruv, but she doesn't seem to be any more gorgeous than a lot of young women crowding the tv. E.G. how about Cheryl (ex) Cole ) Fernandez-Versini ? The Duchess of Cambridge (Kate Middleton), there's nothing wrong will Prince William's eye sight ! :wah: Oh and little me in my younger days (a couple of years ago! :yh_rotfl ).

Kate Middleton Is no role model. She has to be the most tedious, mundane, bland, non descriptive, devoid of personality and character Individual known to man. Bring back the likes of the Duchess of Argyll, at least they were filthy not just dull breeding machines for the Windsor dynasty.

G#Gill;1470800 wrote: Who the heck is Kaley Cuoco ? I've never heard of her ! :-3 :rolleyes:
I'm glad I'm not the only one.

As for the link given as to how 'gorgeous' she is - there's no accounting for taste I suppose. We've got a couple of girls far more gorgeous than that working in our office - and probably with a lot more intelligence.

Saint_;1470783 wrote: ..... I teach Day School, Night School, After School Program, Saturday school, and Summer School as well? Sometimes even double summer school, both middle and high school, all June and July?

Twenty one years. Average 28 students per class, normal day. After School Program averages 40 - 50 students and runs four times a year, once each nine weeks. Night School averages 150 - 200 plus students and runs four times a year as wel l..... And of course Summer School used to average close to 360 students, but now is around 180 to 200 for each session. ..... Did I mention I substituted for a year before I started teaching?... I'd say 650 a year is a pretty conservative estimate.


I dunno! By my calculations you couldn't have taught more than 647. Something is rotten in Denmark!

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How you can assess gorgeousness and intelligence from a few pictures or news video footage in respect of Kate is beyond me.

The basis of my gorgeous description is on the character from the program itself, to be more precise, she is a simple soul but worldly wise and to be honest a bit of a tart with a heart. Whether Penny, the character, is anything like the actress Kaley Cuoco I don't know, but I like her.

Bruv;1470820 wrote: How you can assess gorgeousness and intelligence from a few pictures or news video footage in respect of Kate is beyond me.

The basis of my gorgeous description is on the character from the program itself, to be more precise, she is a simple soul but worldly wise and to be honest a bit of a tart with a heart. Whether Penny, the character, is anything like the actress Kaley Cuoco I don't know, but I like her.


For Christ's sake, Bruv .... you need a bit of fluff on the side to take your mind off of things :wah:

High Threshold;1470827 wrote: For Christ's sake, Bruv .... you need a bit of fluff on the side to take your mind off of things :wah:


How would that help ?

gmc;1470754 wrote: If that is the case - that feminists have achieved all their goals - why is it in 2014 the president of the united states has to sign an executive order on equal pay for women


What he did was a political stunt which only affects some federal employees and contractors. In the meantime the Equal Pay Act of 1963 is still the law of the land and far as I know enforced.



gmc;1470754 wrote: and access to birth control and family planning have been curtailed throughout the unites states?


I dunno what you mean.

gmc;1470754 wrote: You tolerate a situation where an employer can tell a female employee tghat she can't use birth control without their consent


I have no idea what you are talking about.

gmc;1470754 wrote: in most western european countries that would be viewed as a severe infringement of someones rights.


I don't give a squat what most western European Countries view as an infringement of rights. Nevertheless I suppose it is nice to see we are on the same page.

:)Bruv;1470832 wrote: How would that help ?


It wouldn't hurt.

gmc;1470754 wrote: You tolerate a situation where an employer can tell a female employee tghat she can't use birth control without their consent


Is that true? I thought only fundamentalist Islamlist and Catholic countries did that sort of thing!

As far as I'm concerned, Anne Widdecombe is gorgeous. Maybe not in looks, but her intelligence & genial character much more than make up for that.

FourPart;1470858 wrote: As far as I'm concerned, Anne Widdecombe is gorgeous. Maybe not in looks, but her intelligence & genial character much more than make up for that.


Your talking about an Anne Widdecombe that lives near you arent you ? You dont mean that other Anne Widdecombe who used to be an MP

gmc;1470754 wrote: If that is the case - that feminists have achieved all their goals - why is it in 2014 the president of the united states has to sign an executive order on equal pay for women and access to birth control and family planning have been curtailed throughout the unites states? You tolerate a situation where an employer can tell a female employee tghat she can't use birth control without their consent in most western european countries that would be viewed as a severe infringement of someones rights.


they can use Birth control. The companies' objection is to them using company-financed health insurance to pay for it.

It is still kind of stupid, given that the cost of a single pregnancy is probably significantly more that a life-time of Birth control medication.