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A 7-year-old boy and two men were killed overnight and at least 27 other people were injured during an 8-hour stretch that started not long after dark.

Someone opened fire in the 1100 block of North Harding Street about 11:55 p.m., hitting the 7-year-old boy and a 26-year-old woman.

July the 4th celebrating everything American?

What is a 7 year old boy doing still up and about at midnight ?

I've just read down all those reports in the provided link and I'm not surprised at all that shooting seems to be so commonplace in America, when owning a gun is such an easy thing to be able to do ! I'm glad I don't live in America.

When I first came across the article I thought it might be a single nutcase, but is seems these are isolated single incidents, frightening isn't it ?

What is a 7 year old boy doing still up and about at midnight ?

It was the 4th of July and the curfew for ending the fireworks was until 2am in the morning. It's summer vacation, and kids still get excited about seeing fireworks, all the fireworks. And parents let them stay up for the occasion.

I agree that we have too many incidents of gun violence here in the States and it can and does happen anywhere. It is a big problem with no easy solution.

Why is it that the cause is so blatantly obvious to the rest of the world, but the Americans are so vehement on maintaining their 'right' to let it continue?

We say "shoot out" instead of "shoot up". Shooting up is something done with heroin.

FourPart;1482049 wrote: Why is it that the cause is so blatantly obvious to the rest of the world, but the Americans are so vehement on maintaining their 'right' to let it continue?Shoot outs (or shoot ups) is believed to be done predominantly by people with dark[er] skin, as a certain member of this forum will happily attest to. It's illegal to own a firearm with a criminal record, so what America has been doing over the years is working hard to get as many people with dark[er] skin criminal records so that they will be breaking the law by owning firearms. That's how we maintain the idea of allowing firearms to "responsible" (mostly pale skinned) individuals.

Lately though we've been usurping the rules a bit and just shooting them at a young age instead. That's called preemptively keeping the dishonest honest.

I suppose the belief is that we'll begin to notice a reduction in shoot outs (shoot ups) in a generation or so. It's a hell of an idea. Just ask youknowwho.

Ahso!;1482060 wrote: It's illegal to own a firearm with a criminal record, so what America has been doing over the years is working hard to get as many people with dark[er] skin criminal records so that they will be breaking the law by owning firearms. That's how we maintain the idea of allowing firearms to "responsible" (mostly pale skinned) individuals.




Impressive deduction.

Ahso!;1482059 wrote: We say "shoot out" instead of "shoot up". Shooting up is something done with heroin.


Doubt the wording matters to those who died.

Bruv;1482079 wrote: Doubt the wording matters to those who died.Oh, is that who you thought was reading the thread, dead people?

I was merely pointing out the lingo differences between the two.

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

I've always interpreted a shoot-out as a 2-way thing, whereas a shoot-up is just a 1-way thing. Perhaps not precise, but that's how I see it.

Hey Jackass

The crime rates in Chicago are not reflected across America.

Interesting, Chicago with the most restrictive gun laws has so much crime committed with guns.

tude dog;1482139 wrote: Hey Jackass

The crime rates in Chicago are not reflected across America.

Interesting, Chicago with the most restrictive gun laws has so much crime committed with guns.Why do you believe this is?

AnneBoleyn;1482067 wrote: Impressive deduction.Well, flooding the ghettos with guns and heroin back in the sixties and seventies in the hope that they'd kill one another off backfired when the result was that they only begin reproducing at an earlier age and in spite of their economic plight. Humans do what every other species does when it feels threatened, they reproduces at an accelerated rate. That's how species survival works. the worse the threat the greater the response. So the next best option would be to try to marginalize them instead.

It's all rather sickening from an ethics standpoint, however, OTOH, it is how competitive selection works, and since there is no referee (God) to ensure fairness, the madness continues, and will continue to do so until the species is all similar enough looking in skin color.

So......Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and Carter..........or alternatively the power behind the scenes, tried to 'sort out' the 'black problem' by 'flooding the ghettos' with the means to kill them all off ?

And.......none of them had read any of the Evolutionary books you had ?

Or it could be that mankind are not half as clever as we would like to think they are ?

Bruv;1482185 wrote: So......Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and Carter..........or alternatively the power behind the scenes, tried to 'sort out' the 'black problem' by 'flooding the ghettos' with the means to kill them all off ?

And.......none of them had read any of the Evolutionary books you had ?

Or it could be that mankind are not half as clever as we would like to think they are ?I thought that that was my point. They are indeed strategic and conspiratorial, but not clever.

But mostly, they are very paranoid.

Ahso!;1482190 wrote: I thought that that was my point. They are indeed strategic and conspiratorial, but not clever.


Then why all the extra conspiratorial racist twaddle ?

Bruv;1482192 wrote: Then why all the extra conspiratorial racist twaddle ?I have no idea what this sentence means.

Ahso!;1482193 wrote: I have no idea what this sentence means.


My ignorance is your fault.......obviously

Bruv;1482195 wrote: My ignorance is your fault.......obviouslyWhy don't you try to clarify what you posted instead of running from it.

Ahso!;1482196 wrote: Why don't you try to clarify what you posted instead of running from it.


Why don't you try to understand.......One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

Bruv;1482201 wrote: Why don't you try to understand.......One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.


I am not sure I understand that.

Chicago has a long history of corruption since Prohibition , perhaps before. I am no expert on Chicago history. Back in the day it was Italian ganster mobs, Al Copone for example.

Today is a new breed.

It is no secret that daily murders are done over drug deals.

Ya know, business. Not family squabbles.

For example

Among those killed was 7-year-old Amari Brown, shot in the chest as he watched fireworks near his father's home in Humboldt Park late Saturday night.



Police say they believe the attack was aimed at the father, whom they described as a ranking gang member.

Not a new story.



This is nothing new to big cities.

tude dog;1482279 wrote: I am not sure I understand that.

Chicago has a long history of corruption since Prohibition , perhaps before. I am no expert on Chicago history. Back in the day it was Italian ganster mobs, Al Copone for example.

Today is a new breed.

It is no secret that daily murders are done over drug deals.

Ya know, business. Not family squabbles.

For example

Among those killed was 7-year-old Amari Brown, shot in the chest as he watched fireworks near his father's home in Humboldt Park late Saturday night.



Police say they believe the attack was aimed at the father, whom they described as a ranking gang member.

Not a new story.



This is nothing new to big cities.Now you're claiming it has nothing to do with gun laws?

Ahso!;1482282 wrote: Now you're claiming it has nothing to do with gun laws?
I am consistent.

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Hey Jackass

The crime rates in Chicago are not reflected across America.

Interesting, Chicago with the most restrictive gun laws has so much crime committed with guns.

And so I'll ask again: Why do you believe that is?

Ahso!;1482356 wrote: And so I'll ask again: Why do you believe that is?


Not a matter of what I believe.

The question should be, why the third largest city in the United States with such restrictive gun law have such a horrible murder rate?

tude dog;1482358 wrote: Not a matter of what I believe.

The question should be, why the third largest city in the United States with such restrictive gun law have such a horrible murder rate?Okay, that's the question then. Any reasons you know of?

Ahso!;1482363 wrote: Okay, that's the question then. Any reasons you know of?


You go first.

tude dog;1482365 wrote: You go first.I didn't make the claim, nor do I subscribe to it. It's your claim to convince us that there are facts that connect the two. If you can't or won't do that, why then did you post it?

Draw, you sucker...

Ahso!;1482366 wrote: I didn't make the claim, nor do I subscribe to it. It's your claim to convince us that there are facts that connect the two. If you can't or won't do that, why then did you post it?


Or you could dismantle the very substance of such an idea with your eloquent logic.

Bruv;1482372 wrote: Or you could dismantle the very substance of such an idea with your eloquent logic.Who knows, evidence might be presented that's convincing and irrefutable.

What i can say is that if we're going to claim that the crime rate in Chicago is due to something unique to that city, without any evidence that the one presented is true then the fact that Chicago is the only city where The International Museum of Surgical Science is located is an equally valid reason. What makes one claim any more valid than the other?

Ahso!;1482366 wrote: I didn't make the claim, nor do I subscribe to it.


What claim is that?

Ahso!;1482366 wrote: It's your claim to convince us that there are facts that connect the two.


I dunno what you are talking about.

tude dog;1482374 wrote: What claim is that?



I dunno what you are talking about.


So we're to understand that your purpose here is to just post links to websites and not offer any explanation or reason why you do it? That is why you're nothing but a troll. You're not here to exchange views or ideas but to merely advocate right wing websites and badmouth left leaning sites. Why the owners of the forum allow you to get away with the behavior I have no idea. Perhaps they're just hard up for members.

Ahso!;1482373 wrote: Who knows, evidence might be presented that's convincing and irrefutable.


Never tried to prove anything. Just prestnted facts and question.

Ahso!;1482373 wrote: What i can say is that if we're going to claim that the crime rate in Chicago is due to something unique to that city, without any evidence that the one presented is true


Uh, hundereds of murders a year. Most in the country.

I would call that unique.

Ahso!;1482373 wrote: then the fact that Chicago is the only city where The International Museum of Surgical Science is located is an equally valid reason. What makes one claim any more valid than the other?


If you say so.

Ahso!;1482377 wrote: So we're to understand that your purpose here is to just post links to websites and not offer any explanation or reason why you do it?


I am not going to apologize that you don't like what I post. You could always just ignore it.

Ahso!;1482377 wrote: That is why you're nothing but a troll. You're not here to exchange views or ideas but to merely advocate right wing websites and badmouth left leaning sites.


Maybe you could back up that assertion it might have some semblance o credibility.

Ahso!;1482377 wrote: Why the owners of the forum allow you to get away with the behavior I have no idea. Perhaps they're just hard up for members.


Maybe it is because I suffer personal attacks without complaint.

The Hillbilly Act and persecution complex doesn't fool me. You're an NRA troll who promotes sites that favor guns and veiled white supremacy. Anyone who presents themselves as stupid as you do would not be able to turn on a computer no less navigate around the internet.

Now you'll go about the forum making nice in an effort to cover yourself.

I don't see Tude going about the forum making nice.

He is what he is, and probably won't lose any sleep over your opinion of him.

I may not always agree with him, but that is one of his redeeming qualities.

Ahso!;1482455 wrote: The Hillbilly Act and persecution complex doesn't fool me. You're an NRA troll who promotes sites that favor guns and veiled white supremacy. Anyone who presents themselves as stupid as you do would not be able to turn on a computer no less navigate around the internet.
Isn't that a contradiction? He clearly has turned on the computer & has obviously navigated here.