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Scones and snails help app to map accents and dialects - BBC News

I'll give that a go later. It sounds very educational.

In the South East, for example, butter is the chap who hits runs at a cricket match.

I tried it. It came up with 3 different places in East London that I've never heard of, whereas I'm from Southampton.

Just installed it, shall report back later.

....Later...

It gave me three places in London....so not too far off, I was born and bred in SE london.

Interesting.

Perhaps now is a good time to discuss the difference between "Accent" and "Dialect"

LarsMac;1491364 wrote: Interesting.

Perhaps now is a good time to discuss the difference between "Accent" and "Dialect"


Accent is pronunciation, dialect is accent plus localised words and expressions.

Bruv;1491365 wrote: dialect is accent plus localised words and expressions.Oh I think not, I think just localized. I can say "Weer bist, my luvver?" in an Oxford Received Radio 4 1950s announcer voice when answering the phone, and often do.

spot;1491369 wrote: Oh I think not, I think just localized. I can say "Weer bist, my luvver?" in an Oxford Received Radio 4 1950s announcer voice when answering the phone, and often do.


What exactly do you think not.....geezer ?

Bruv;1491372 wrote: What exactly do you think not.....geezer ?I thought not "dialect is accent plus localised words and expressions", and then qualified the extent of my disagreement.

Round here any adult male can be referred to as a 'mush' (pronounced as in 'push'). Different regions have different terminology for the same sort of things. That is dialect. Accent is the manner in which the intonations of the words are spoken. For instance, you can get someone round here talking in a Scouse accent still calling someone a mush.

spot;1491369 wrote: Oh I think not, I think just localized. I can say "Weer bist, my luvver?" in an Oxford Received Radio 4 1950s announcer voice when answering the phone, and often do.


spot;1491373 wrote: I thought not "dialect is accent plus localised words and expressions", and then qualified the extent of my disagreement.


Still don't quite 'gerrit bruv'. (Understand my friend)

Your using dialect words in an inappropriate accent is parody, or satirical for humorous affect.

Perhaps your own definition would clear up my confusion.

Major influences in my early youth - Lily Barnes next door springs to mind - used that dialect, it's natural for me to employ the vocabulary. My accent, on the other hand, is far too inflexible to reach that far back.

spot;1491411 wrote: Major influences in my early youth - Lily Barnes next door springs to mind - used that dialect, it's natural for me to employ the vocabulary. My accent, on the other hand, is far too inflexible to reach that far back.


So chavey...........you don't want to give your definition ?

Bruv;1491414 wrote: So chavey...........you don't want to give your definition ?


I thought I had - dialect is localized words and expressions.

spot;1491418 wrote: I thought I had - dialect is localized words and expressions.


So accent has nothing to do with it ?

I thought that was what I said that you didn't agree with, the only difference being..........accent.

That was what I disagreed with, yes

Accent are 2 totally different things, but not totally unrelated. For instance - one example of local dialect:

Is it a roll, bap, batch, cob or a barm? - ITV News

A person may speak the local dialect in the local accent to his neighbours, but he may also employ the exact same accent when speaking the Queen's English to strangers from elsewhere despite using no dialect at all.

I would suggest a dialect word common to......lets say northern England.....spoken with a subtly different northern accent, could be recognised by locals.

Likewise any dialect word without it's local accent and taken into common usage is no longer dialect

Bruv;1491438 wrote: Likewise any dialect word without it's local accent and taken into common usage is no longer dialect
Not if it's only common usage within the local area. It depends on whether the aforesaid shizzle spreads widely innit bro. Well wickid.

Bruv;1491438 wrote: I would suggest a dialect word common to......lets say northern England.....spoken with a subtly different northern accent, could be recognised by locals.

Likewise any dialect word without it's local accent and taken into common usage is no longer dialect
Of course not - that's how language develops. English itself is formed from a multitude of different languages - Roman, Scandinavian, French, Spanish, etc - to say nothing of the original Celtic. However, even with these different languages new dialectical terms are constantly being formed.