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The word "Superfast", as employed by BT's Openreach, is propagandist tosh.

It's what they offer businesses as their fastest option short of getting a leased fibre link installed at a minimum cost of several thousand pounds a year.

I have two gripes.

One is their utter inability to actually provide what they claim - This is pretty damning in that regard.

The other is that this piss-poor service is still only, even to the 1% of subscribers who reach the claimed speed, less than a half of what's actually delivered to Virgin's domestic customers. Virgin's domestic customers get a reliable 200Mb/s, and this BT Openreach Infinity crap can't even deliver 76Mb/s to more than one in a hundred of its existing subscribers.

Why on earth is this country still saddled with a damnable supplier which has never, in the hundred years it's been running, had any strategic goal other than to maintain its monopoly. I lost my patience with British Telecom back in the 90s with their backward Green Sticker restraint on progress and I'm still having to suffer their existence.

Hello, Openreach? Even if it were true which it isn't, 76Mb/s is a SLOW bottleneck. As a national speed-cap for the foreseeable future it would shame a third world banana republic. When creating an off-site archive regularly takes 12 hours, and recovering the files from it takes hours instead of minutes, there is a systemic flaw exposed in your company's client infrastructure through which most UK companies are obliged to connect to the Internet.

spot;1491874 wrote: The word "Superfast", as employed by BT's Openreach, is propagandist tosh.

It's what they offer businesses as their fastest option short of getting a leased fibre link installed at a minimum cost of several thousand pounds a year.

I have two gripes.

One is their utter inability to actually provide what they claim - This is pretty damning in that regard.

The other is that this piss-poor service is still only, even to the 1% of subscribers who reach the claimed speed, less than a half of what's actually delivered to Virgin's domestic customers. Virgin's domestic customers get a reliable 200Mb/s, and this BT Openreach Infinity crap can't even deliver 76Mb/s to more than one in a hundred of its existing subscribers.

Why on earth is this country still saddled with a damnable supplier which has never, in the hundred years it's been running, had any strategic goal other than to maintain its monopoly. I lost my patience with British Telecom back in the 90s with their backward Green Sticker restraint on progress and I'm still having to suffer their existence.

Hello, Openreach? Even if it were true which it isn't, 76Mb/s is a SLOW bottleneck. As a national speed-cap for the foreseeable future it would shame a third world banana republic. When creating an off-site archive regularly takes 12 hours, and recovering the files from it takes hours instead of minutes, there is a systemic flaw exposed in your company's client infrastructure through which most UK companies are obliged to connect to the Internet.


Then this should cheer you up :-

BT should be forced to sell Openreach service, report says - BBC News

Maybe its time to ditch Broadband and encourage other technologies after all, 4g is as good if not better for many people.

Maybe the next step is Li-Fi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Fi

Snowfire;1491876 wrote: Maybe its time to ditch Broadband and encourage other technologies after all, 4g is as good if not better for many people.

Maybe the next step is Li-Fi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Fi


In order for Li-Fi to be effective it needs to be line of sight or you get no speed benefit (stand between the transmitter and your computer and the speed drops by a factor of three thousand according to the figures given in the article).

I suppose that the solution to that would be to pass the light down a fibre optic cable but then is it any different to the fibre broadband we have now?

Funny. We are being told that the rest of the world has much better Broadband than we do. But it sounds to me like yours is just like ours. Promises in the wind.

So you can only get BT's Openreach ? Otherwise you would change supplier.............obviously.

I am a smug Virgin user.

Bruv;1491886 wrote: So you can only get BT's Openreach ? Otherwise you would change supplier.............obviously.

I am a smug Virgin user.


Given that BT provide the lines it has to be surprising that they could only provide me with 15Mb/s whereas my new supplier, on the same line (fibre to cabinet, twisted pair from there) , is providing 74Mb/s.

My youngest daughter, just down the road, is with Virgin on a full fibre connection and only getting 52Mb/s.

I moved house two years ago to non-Virgin territory, having no idea I might develop a subsequent business Internet use. There's no Virgin within 80 miles of my new location. I wouldn't recommend anyone with business aspirations to set up round here. Move to where the Internet is guaranteed, like the M4 corridor.

Bryn Mawr;1491888 wrote: My youngest daughter, just down the road, is with Virgin on a full fibre connection and only getting 52Mb/s.


That sounds like she's using 802.11ac wireless for the modem - laptop step. Jumping to one of the various n alternatives depends on compatibility, even if both have n in the label.

spot;1491891 wrote: I moved house two years ago to non-Virgin territory, having no idea I might develop a subsequent business Internet use. There's no Virgin within 80 miles of my new location. I wouldn't recommend anyone with business aspirations to set up round here. Move to where the Internet is guaranteed, like the M4 corridor.





That sounds like she's using 802.11ac wireless for the modem - laptop step. Jumping to one of the various n alternatives depends on compatibility, even if both have n in the label.


I'll try a wired connection and report back

You wouldn't expect them to label it "Reasonably Fast" would you?

Had BT not been a nationalised industry it is unlikely that the nationwide coverage we take for granted would have actually been in place, same with TV and electricity. Now our telecoms are in private hands the odds of rural areas getting high speed broadband are nil to non existent. A private company receiviung subsidies is not profitable one some things arer just too important to be left to the vagaries of the market like infrastructure and health and education.

On a side note I have ben driving rounbd rural yorkshire one thing I find really striking is the lack of street lighting and what there is is really really bad. No mobile phone signal and broadband is something you can read about.

gmc;1491899 wrote: Had BT not been a nationalised industry it is unlikely that the nationwide coverage we take for granted would have actually been in place, same with TV and electricity. Now our telecoms are in private hands the odds of rural areas getting high speed broadband are nil to non existent. A private company receiviung subsidies is not profitable one some things arer just too important to be left to the vagaries of the market like infrastructure and health and education.


My problem lies entirely with BT not being a nationalized industry! It's the existence of shareholders that prevents the buggers from doing their jobs properly in the interest of the nation!

It was a privatized utility when they did the Green Label thing, and it's a privatized utility today. Utilities should never, under any circumstances, be privatized. A simple change in the law would suffice - no utility should be allowed to pay a dividend. End of problem.

spot;1491901 wrote: My problem lies entirely with BT not being a nationalized industry! It's the existence of shareholders that prevents the buggers from doing their jobs properly in the interest of the nation!

It was a privatized utility when they did the Green Label thing, and it's a privatized utility today. Utilities should never, under any circumstances, be privatized. A simple change in the law would suffice - no utility should be allowed to pay a dividend. End of problem.
Absolutely. I never had you for a fellow socialist.

I can see I have yet to bring my light forth from beneath the bushel though the time is unquestionably nigh. Someone bring me a candlestick.

spot;1491914 wrote: I can see I have yet to bring my light forth from beneath the bushel though the time is unquestionably nigh. Someone bring me a candlestick.


Getting ready for the upcoming power cuts are we?

As I recently mentioned in here, candles do make a most effective emergency heater.