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Does the U.S. want Trump’s Muslim solution or the vigilantism the E. U. is moving to?

German Police: We're not Allowed to Arrest Molesters



Will the U.S. and Western coalitions need some new Liberty Valance killers as our police forces get handcuffed by our political leaders and political correctness to a religion that is nothing short of barbaric?

Regardless of the Western country, if the left does not protect the population, the right will have to.

Regards

DL

This fear-mongering Bullsh# is what's is wrong with society, today.

Stop feeding the fear, and start working on real solutions to the real problems.

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492144 wrote: Does the U.S. want Trumps Muslim solution or the vigilantism the E. U. is moving to?

German Police: We're not Allowed to Arrest Molesters



Will the U.S. and Western coalitions need some new Liberty Valance killers as our police forces get handcuffed by our political leaders and political correctness to a religion that is nothing short of barbaric?

Regardless of the Western country, if the left does not protect the population, the right will have to.

Regards

DL


It's some four decades since we had a left wing government in the UK that's why the NHS is being privatised, inions are having laws passed against them to prevent workers from going on strike why we have zero hours contracts and low wages with employers being subsidised by tghe public p[urse mean while the bankers who ruined our economy are still free and currently legislation is being brought in to remove the laughable regulations put on banks aftyer the collapse. Big copmpanies get away with not paying tax and if the ttip treaty gets through corporations will be more powerful than national governments. It's right wing politcians that statred the wars in the middle east and overthrew regimes - which in many cases they had brought to power regardles of the consequences and with ni thought to wht might take their place.

get your head out your arse and stop reading the daily mail.

LarsMac;1492146 wrote: This fear-mongering Bullsh# is what's is wrong with society, today.

Stop feeding the fear, and start working on real solutions to the real problems.


So police, of a number of countries, stating that they are not able to do their duty due to fears of being labelled racist is not a problem.

Ok.

Regards

DL

gmc;1492152 wrote: It's some four decades since we had a left wing government in the UK that's why the NHS is being privatised, inions are having laws passed against them to prevent workers from going on strike why we have zero hours contracts and low wages with employers being subsidised by tghe public p[urse mean while the bankers who ruined our economy are still free and currently legislation is being brought in to remove the laughable regulations put on banks aftyer the collapse. Big copmpanies get away with not paying tax and if the ttip treaty gets through corporations will be more powerful than national governments. It's right wing politcians that statred the wars in the middle east and overthrew regimes - which in many cases they had brought to power regardles of the consequences and with ni thought to wht might take their place.

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I agree with a lot of this.

You might note that it is the U.S. right that is offering something that is not same old, same old.

I am usually on the left of things but not this time.

I especially agree that the politicians have protected our oligarch owners to a disgusting and immoral level.

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492144 wrote: Does the U.S. want Trumps Muslim solution or the vigilantism the E. U. is moving to?

German Police: We're not Allowed to Arrest Molesters



Will the U.S. and Western coalitions need some new Liberty Valance killers as our police forces get handcuffed by our political leaders and political correctness to a religion that is nothing short of barbaric?

Regardless of the Western country, if the left does not protect the population, the right will have to.

Regards

DL


Would you prefer a slap round the head or a kick up the arse?

You present your options as a straight either / or choice but they are two options among many, most of which are better options to choose.

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492157 wrote: So police, of a number of countries, stating that they are not able to do their duty due to fears of being labelled racist is not a problem.

Ok.

Regards

DL


You believe everything you find on the internet?

LarsMac;1492163 wrote: You believe everything you find on the internet?


I believe the forum garden exists created by an insane web designer.

gmc;1492179 wrote: I believe the forum garden exists created by an insane web designer.


He/She created a portal to the The Twilight Zone

Hmmm,

Surprised?

Teenage girl admits making up migrant rape claim that outraged Germany | World news | The Guardian

from article:

A 13-year-old Russian-German girl has admitted making up a story about being kidnapped and raped by migrants in a case that triggered a furore in Germany and briefly embroiled Berlin police in a spat with the Kremlin, state prosecutors said.

What outraged germany was what happened in cologns and other german cities at new year this was just one incident that looks to have been made up.

Such is the way of the hatemongers. Bring about an event, then point the finger at the victim.

Bryn Mawr;1492159 wrote: Would you prefer a slap round the head or a kick up the arse?

You present your options as a straight either / or choice but they are two options among many, most of which are better options to choose.


Islam does not allow the options you see.

Why do you want to protect a religion that is more satanic than Godly?

Regards

DL

LarsMac;1492163 wrote: You believe everything you find on the internet?


No but I do not ignore reality.

Why are you not believing what officials are saying?

Regards

DL

LarsMac;1492201 wrote: Hmmm,

Surprised?

Teenage girl admits making up migrant rape claim that outraged Germany | World news | The Guardian

from article:

A 13-year-old Russian-German girl has admitted making up a story about being kidnapped and raped by migrants in a case that triggered a furore in Germany and briefly embroiled Berlin police in a spat with the Kremlin, state prosecutors said.


:wah::wah:



You believe everything you find on the internet?

Regards

DL

FourPart;1492228 wrote: Such is the way of the hatemongers. Bring about an event, then point the finger at the victim.


All because women are women.

You have to hate women for that.

Let's not blame men for being men.

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492339 wrote: No but I do not ignore reality.

Why are you not believing what officials are saying?

Regards

DL
The 'officials' say that Cameron is paying more into the NHS than ever before, and that those on low incomes are better off than ever before. It must be true, because that is what the officials say - from David Cameron himself.

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492340 wrote: :wah::wah:



You believe everything you find on the internet?

Regards

DL


I don't believe much of anything I find on the internet. And I believe even less of what other people find on the internet.

For the most part, it's all hearsay, and opinion supported by hearsay.

My list of reliable sources for information is really quite small.

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492338 wrote: Islam does not allow the options you see.

Why do you want to protect a religion that is more satanic than Godly?

Regards

DL


Rubbish, there are always options - you just have to select which side effects you're willing to accept.

I have met some very decent and respectful Muslims in my live. They are appalled by what the extremists are doing.

FourPart;1492342 wrote: The 'officials' say that Cameron is paying more into the NHS than ever before, and that those on low incomes are better off than ever before. It must be true, because that is what the officials say - from David Cameron himself.


I would not call that official as he is not a demographer. That is who should officially be believed and not your average lying politicians.

All they do is spot whatever garbage their owners want them to say.

Regards

DL

LarsMac;1492345 wrote: I don't believe much of anything I find on the internet. And I believe even less of what other people find on the internet.

For the most part, it's all hearsay, and opinion supported by hearsay.

My list of reliable sources for information is really quite small.


That is why I say that reality is a collective hunch.

Regards

DL

Bryn Mawr;1492353 wrote: Rubbish, there are always options - you just have to select which side effects you're willing to accept.


What is it about kill the apostates do you not understand?

Why are you supporting a satanic and evil religion?

Regards

DL

Ted;1492356 wrote: I have met some very decent and respectful Muslims in my live. They are appalled by what the extremists are doing.


Sure. While they force their women to kowtow and do as told like a good slave.

People liked the Christians as well until the Inquisition.

Why are you supporting an evil religion?

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492370 wrote: What is it about kill the apostates do you not understand?

Why are you supporting a satanic and evil religion?

Regards

DL


What is it about the difference between fundamentalists and moderates that you don't understand.

Why are you trying to daemonise the many hundreds of millions of moderate Muslims alongside the fundamentalists?

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492371 wrote: Sure. While they force their women to kowtow and do as told like a good slave.

People liked the Christians as well until the Inquisition.

Why are you supporting an evil religion?

Regards

DL


You post as though all Muslims are identical cartoon daemons - get to know some and you'll soon find out they're decent people.

Even Football is a Religion, and even there you will find you Fundamentals, Moderates & Extremists. At one end of the scale you will get those who watch the matches on TV or listen to them on the radio & will be pleased when their team wins, and a bit disappointed when they lose. Then you get those who go to all the home games and support their team. Then there are those who go to every game, home and away. Then there are those who organise riots against opposing team supporters. These are the extremists. The ones in the public eye. The ones that get covered by the media.

Dr. G Faroque treats his wife as an equal. They both look like typical north american humans. I saw none of the "traditional"trappings. One example of m illions.

Bryn Mawr;1492378 wrote: What is it about the difference between fundamentalists and moderates that you don't understand.

Why are you trying to daemonise the many hundreds of millions of moderate Muslims alongside the fundamentalists?


There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Sharia does not allow for moderates.

Why are you supporting an immoral religion?

Regards

DL

Bryn Mawr;1492379 wrote: You post as though all Muslims are identical cartoon daemons - get to know some and you'll soon find out they're decent people.


Sure there are. Those who are ignoring their religion.

Why are you supporting an immoral religion while not arguing for their morals?

Because you know that Islam is an immoral creed.

You are just trying to divorce Muslims from Islam and cannot do so when considering moral aspects of life.

Like many politically correct people, you are supporting immorality and evil.

Regards

DL

Ted;1492394 wrote: Dr. G Faroque treats his wife as an equal. They both look like typical north american humans. I saw none of the "traditional"trappings. One example of m illions.


Their public face and private face are quite different.

Why are you supporting an immoral religion?

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492414 wrote: There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Sharia does not allow for moderates.

Why are you supporting an immoral religion?

Regards

DL


That shows how little you know about the subject.

The fundamentalist interpretation of Sharia might well not include moderation but it is only an interpretation in the same way as the fire and brimstone interpretation of the Bible is only a fundamentalist interpretation or the Haredi interpretation of Rabbinic law is fundamentalist.

There are many, many moderate Muslims, you just allow your hatred to blind you.

Bryn Mawr;1492423 wrote: That shows how little you know about the subject.

The fundamentalist interpretation of Sharia might well not include moderation but it is only an interpretation in the same way as the fire and brimstone interpretation of the Bible is only a fundamentalist interpretation or the Haredi interpretation of Rabbinic law is fundamentalist.

There are many, many moderate Muslims, you just allow your hatred to blind you.


Fools ignore statistics.



Why are you promoting respect for an immoral religion that does not deserve it?

Regards

DL

Fundamentalist Muslims would never allow their women to work, yet there are plenty of women who work on a daily basis. Most of these are very devout Muslims. Many are teachers. So, are they all the same?

FourPart;1492426 wrote: Fundamentalist Muslims would never allow their women to work, yet there are plenty of women who work on a daily basis. Most of these are very devout Muslims. Many are teachers. So, are they all the same?


England had to close Muslim schools for teaching children anti-Semitism.

Are those teachers the same?

Your anecdotal renderings do not negate a trend.

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492433 wrote: England had to close Muslim schools for teaching children anti-Semitism.



Are those teachers the same?



Your anecdotal renderings do not negate a trend.



Regards

DL
One of my colleagues is a devout Muslim girl. She is typical of plenty of others. You find female Muslims professors, doctors, nurses, entertainers. You find Muslim women in all walks of life. These are the moderates. To tar them with the same brush as the Fundamentalists is nothing more than hate preaching.

FourPart;1492434 wrote: One of my colleagues is a devout Muslim girl. She is typical of plenty of others. You find female Muslims professors, doctors, nurses, entertainers. You find Muslim women in all walks of life. These are the moderates. To tar them with the same brush as the Fundamentalists is nothing more than hate preaching.


To support a religion that is intolerant is to promote intolerance and hate.

Why are you supporting Islam, intolerance and hate knowing that Islam is an immoral creed?

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492424 wrote: Fools ignore statistics.



Why are you promoting respect for an immoral religion that does not deserve it?

Regards

DL


I'm not - why are you obsessing about it?

'Morals' are a man made thing. What is moral to one is immoral to another. I am neither supporting or decrying anyone except the one that prejudges everyone by his own sense of what he believes which morals are right. This is the way Religious wars are formed, where members of one Religion sees fit to impose what they believe to be their 'right' morals on everyone else, telling them that theirs are wrong.

Bryn Mawr;1492437 wrote: I'm not - why are you obsessing about it?


Self defence and defence of my children and grand children.

Why are you not more obsessive for the protection of your children and grand children?

Regards

DL

FourPart;1492439 wrote: 'Morals' are a man made thing. What is moral to one is immoral to another. I am neither supporting or decrying anyone except the one that prejudges everyone by his own sense of what he believes which morals are right. This is the way Religious wars are formed, where members of one Religion sees fit to impose what they believe to be their 'right' morals on everyone else, telling them that theirs are wrong.


We have yet to look at Islam's morals.

Do you think their moral tenets to be moral?

Is it moral to stone a rape victim?

Is it moral to promote child brides

Is it moral to kill gays?

These are all moral to Islam and Sharia.

Do you think they are?

Regards

DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492440 wrote: Self defence and defence of my children and grand children.

Why are you not more obsessive for the protection of your children and grand children?

Regards

DL


How many thousand Christians have Muslims killed over the past quarter century?

How many million Muslims have Christians killed over the same time period?

Self defence? Proportionate response? No way.

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492442 wrote: We have yet to look at Islam's morals.



Do you think their moral tenets to be moral?



Is it moral to stone a rape victim?



Is it moral to promote child brides



Is it moral to kill gays?



These are all moral to Islam and Sharia.



Do you think they are?



Regards

DL


What I believe to be moral doesn't come into it. The point is that I don't judge other people's cultures on my own values. The Laws of the Qu'ran are essentially the same as those of the Bible. There are still those in this country who believe it is immoral for women to have the vote.



What is your answer? The 'Final Solution'? Annihilate the problem? Your arguments are no different to those that sparked the Holocaust.

Bryn Mawr;1492445 wrote: How many thousand Christians have Muslims killed over the past quarter century?

How many million Muslims have Christians killed over the same time period?

Self defence? Proportionate response? No way.


You show how immoral both religions are yet continue to support them.

Seems you share they morals.

Regards

DL

FourPart;1492446 wrote: What I believe to be moral doesn't come into it. The point is that I don't judge other people's cultures on my own values. The Laws of the Qu'ran are essentially the same as those of the Bible. There are still those in this country who believe it is immoral for women to have the vote.



What is your answer? The 'Final Solution'? Annihilate the problem? Your arguments are no different to those that sparked the Holocaust.


So you think the Jews were in the wrong moral position.

Islam is representing Hitler here. Not the West.

Sharia is even worse than whatever Hitler would have come up with for laws.

As to the inhalation of Islam and your comment, show anywhere that I spoke of such.

Yours is a cheap shot so show us if your own thinking is cheap or if mine was.

Regards

DL

"The point is that I don't judge other people's cultures on my own values."

If not by your values, whose values are you using to judge?

If it is not your values that you are expressing here, then whose values?

Regards

DL

To judge others is often one of the greatest mistakes one can make.

Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492448 wrote: You show how immoral both religions are yet continue to support them.

Seems you share they morals.

Regards

DL


No, I show that there are reasons other than the religion that are pushing some Muslims into fanaticism and many Muslims into a dislike of the west.

I also show that it's the fanaticism that we should be fighting, not the religion.

You cannot fight fanaticism by killing the fanatics - that just creates martyrs and breeds more fanatics.

Judging????? Gnostic????

Here again we are painting everything with the same brush. LOL