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Any conspiracy theories yet ?

There is definitely a lack of American/European ie. good guys being named..........am I being cynical ? Or perhaps they more encamped in the establishment, so better protected.



Panama Papers

Panama Papers. Isn't that what you use to roll marihuana with?

AnneBoleyn;1494333 wrote: Panama Papers. Isn't that what you use to roll marihuana with?


You ole hippy you.......what are they calling the Mossack Fonseca revelations in the US of A ?

Or are they suppressing them until Trumps elected?

Is anyone surprised that the rich and powerful do this?

I like tryhe reaction in Iceland whose prime minister is implicated. Looks like they will force him to resign.

Panama Papers: mass protests in Iceland call for PM to quit – as it happened | News | The Guardian

This is the country whose citizens jailed the bankers and told the eu to f-- off we're not bailing out the banks.

I've always had a feeling that our basic attitudes to justice and equality and readimeness to tell figures of authority owe a great deal to our celtic and viking heritrage.

No danger David Cameron will resign I suppose.

Five donors who have handed £16million to the Tories named in tax haven leak | Daily Mail Online

Don't anybody hold their breath waiting for any unpaid tax to be paid.

It's a simple question the answer yes or no.

Cameron was asked directly whether he or his family had benefited from the offshore Blairmore Holdings fund mentioned in the Panama Papers and established by his father, Ian Cameron




http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cam ... 69941.html

If I may copy a sentence from today's news?No 10 said there were "no offshore trusts or funds" that the prime minister or his immediate family would benefit from "in future".

Panama Papers: PM 'won't gain from offshore funds in future' - No 10 - BBC News



The weasel-wording from so-called David Cameron's spin team is getting more strained as each day passes. How can he have been so witless as not to clean himself up before he became an MP?

The party will be well rid of him this summer, even if he survives in office beyond the next week.

What an embarrassing prat the man is. I'd rather socialize with Rebekah Brooks than this one, and that's really scraping the barrel.

I felt left out. So I sent a dollar bill in the mail to the Hilton hotel there. Now I can tell my friends I'm "hiding my money in Panama."

Wandrin;1494336 wrote: Is anyone surprised that the rich and powerful do this?


Only that they are allowed to do it legally.

Meanwhile.............................Britain's largest gold bullion robbery gets laundered by the same company Mossack Fonseca HERE

spot;1494358 wrote: If I may copy a sentence from today's news?No 10 said there were "no offshore trusts or funds" that the prime minister or his immediate family would benefit from "in future".

Panama Papers: PM 'won't gain from offshore funds in future' - No 10 - BBC News



The weasel-wording from so-called David Cameron's spin team is getting more strained as each day passes. How can he have been so witless as not to clean himself up before he became an MP?

The party will be well rid of him this summer, even if he survives in office beyond the next week.

What an embarrassing prat the man is. I'd rather socialize with Rebekah Brooks than this one, and that's really scraping the barrel.


It rather implies that he has benefited in the past - what was the inheritance from his father's estate for instance and how was his education paid for.

gmc;1494391 wrote: It rather implies that he has benefited in the past - what was the inheritance from his father's estate for instance and how was his education paid for.


And what will happen to the rest on the money in the trust and who will get the benefit in the future?

The thing is they could actually stop all the tax evasion of they wanted to, it's got niothing toi do with waiting on europe. You tell amazon pay tax on UK business or cease trading in thsi country, same with starbucks and all the rest do you really thin k amazon would leave one of their biggest markets and if they di there would very sopon be rival businesses iopening uop that are not handicapped by amazon having a trading advantage. It's not good capitalism to allow cartels and tax avoidance by companies it disrupts fair trade and harms the host countries. If qwe did it how soon do yiou think evrfybody elkse nwould be in following. Britiah comp[anies trading in america don't get away with it why dop we let american copmpanies get away with it here? Fifth larghest economy an yet we are powerless? our politicians are wankers.

Here, from the BBC, is the timeline of statements on behalf of so-called Dacid Cameron:

• Asked on Monday whether she could confirm that no family money was still invested in the fund, Mr Cameron's spokeswoman said: "That is a private matter"
  
  Then in an interview on Tuesday, Mr Cameron said: " I have no shares, no offshore trusts, no offshore funds, nothing like that. And, so that, I think, is a very clear description"
  
  Downing Street issued a statement later that day: "To be clear, the prime minister, his wife and their children do not benefit from any offshore funds. The prime minister owns no shares. As has been previously reported, Mrs Cameron owns a small number of shares connected to her father's land, which she declares on her tax return"
  
  No 10 then released a further clarifying statement on Wednesday, saying: "There are no offshore funds/trusts which the prime minister, Mrs Cameron or their children will benefit from in future"
  
  On Thursday the PM told ITV News: "We owned 5,000 units in Blairmore Investment Trust, which we sold in January 2010"Cameron offshore trust row: PM accused of 'hypocrisy' - BBC News
  
  
  
  It is the wriggling of a fork-tongued snake. It is exactly why what the man says or releases on any topic is unworthy of trust. Each statement is accurate, one assumes, but is also a deliberate attempt at deception.
  
  Bloody Blair was no different. Both men have killed with impunity because they dispense with ethics in this way at the drop of a hat.
  
  No politician should be allowed to continue in office after this sort of exposed inadequacy when it comes to communicating honestly.

Why 'so-called' and I Googled Dacid......you have let us all down.

Cameron's declaration that he has not benefited from his father's financial arrangements, brought a Tweet asking how big his paper round had to be to get him through Eton.

Bruv;1494428 wrote: Why 'so-called' and I Googled Dacid......you have let us all down.

Cameron's declaration that he has not benefited from his father's financial arrangements, brought a Tweet asking how big his paper had to be to get him through Eton.


The Dacid is a typo.

The "so-called" is because our gimboid Mr Plastic Prime Minister insists that every mention of Islamic State or ISIS or ISIL be prefixed "so-called", a completely meaningless attempt at an insult. So I'm using it on him, equally meaninglessly. It's his name. David Cameron. Putting "so-called" in front of it is as meaningless as saying "so-called ISIS".

I don't want his resignation this month, it's too early for Boris to get his job. September will be fine, thank you, after which so-called David Cameron can get his retirement directorships and become Peace Ambassador for Libya. He broke it, he can be told to fix it, not that he's capable.

Bruv;1494428 wrote: Why 'so-called' and I Googled Dacid......you have let us all down.......


Wholly appropriate I reckon

spot;1494429 wrote: The Dacid is a typo.

The "so-called" is because our gimboid Mr Plastic Prime Minister insists that every mention of Islamic State or ISIS or ISIL be prefixed "so-called", a completely meaningless attempt at an insult. So I'm using it on him, equally meaninglessly. It's his name. David Cameron. Putting "so-called" in front of it is as meaningless as saying "so-called ISIS".

I don't want his resignation this month, it's too early for Boris to get his job. September will be fine, thank you, after which so-called David Cameron can get his retirement directorships and become Peace Ambassador for Libya. He broke it, he can be told to fix it, not that he's capable.


If it's not an insult from the gimboid, how can it be an insult from you ? Perhaps you would happier if he called them Daesh ?

Your preference for the so-called Boris to be PM, are you serious ?

Is it the same reason the opposition wanted Milliband..........because he is unelectable ?

Bruv;1494431 wrote: If it's not an insult from the gimboid, how can it be an insult from you ? Perhaps you would happier if he called them Daesh ?

Your preference for the so-called Boris to be PM, are you serious ?

Is it the same reason the opposition wanted Milliband..........because he is unelectable ?


As unelectable as Donald Trump?

Bryn Mawr;1494432 wrote: As unelectable as Donald Trump?


HHmmm.........it is a worry isn't it ?

Bruv;1494431 wrote: Perhaps you would happier if he called them Daesh ?Entirely happy. It's one of the things they're called, along with ISIL, ISIS and Islamic State. He can take his pick.

"So-called" is an intended insult. I suspect it originates from Monty Python.





eta: I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King.

spot;1494434 wrote: Entirely happy. It's one of the things they're called, along with ISIL, ISIS and Islamic State. He can take his pick.

"So-called" is an intended insult. I suspect it originates from Monty Python.





eta: I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King.


I would prefer everybody called them Daesh.....



That new name is ‘Daesh’. If you've followed coverage of this attempted official linguistic sea change, you'll have gathered that the new name, although it’s just an Arabic acronym equivalent to the English 'ISIS', apparently delegitimises the organisation, mocks them, and thus drives them to threaten taking violent retribution on anyone who uses it.

Bruv;1494435 wrote: I would prefer everybody called them Daesh.....



That new name is ‘Daesh’. If you've followed coverage of this attempted official linguistic sea change, you'll have gathered that the new name, although it’s just an Arabic acronym equivalent to the English 'ISIS', apparently delegitimises the organisation, mocks them, and thus drives them to threaten taking violent retribution on anyone who uses it.


If they're so insecure as to find the use of an acronym, rather than the full title they would prefer to see used, to be so demeaning then by all means, let's use it as often as possible.

Was it not so-called David Cameron who said those that avoid tax "need to wake up and smell the coffee"?David Cameron's mother gave him a £200,000 gift after his father's death which could potentially avoid inheritance tax, his accounts show.

BBC News



What a piss-poor hypocrite the privileged out-of-touch toerag is.

How the Conservative Party can possibly think he's fit to be their leader baffles me.

spot;1494467 wrote: Was it not so-called David Cameron who said those that avoid tax "need to wake up and smell the coffee"?David Cameron's mother gave him a £200,000 gift after his father's death which could potentially avoid inheritance tax, his accounts show.

BBC News



What a piss-poor hypocrite the privileged out-of-touch toerag is.

How the Conservative Party can possibly think he's fit to be their leader baffles me.


Actually the inheritance tax bit is just standard practice a lot of people do the same thing and it's distracting from the real issue which is the money in an offshore trust that did not pay UK tax the capital gains tax is only incurred when money is brought back to the UK. How much of his education etc was paid for from the profits of tax avoidance schemes run by his father. Where did the money for the initial investment come from. How much of his inheritance is held for him in offshore trusts.

If we were in his situation, would we avail ourselves of the same advice and guidance from tax experts ?

The word hypocrite refers to the fact that he says one thing in public and does another in private, it's nothing to do with whether he breaks the law. If I'd been suggesting that he broke the law I'd be calling him a criminal.

I think being instrumental in destabilizing sovereign states should be a criminal offence, but that's another matter entirely. This thread's talking about taxation.

Of course he hasn't broken the law - he just changes the law to suit himself.

Kudos to Dennis Skinner though. Getting ejected from the House for referring to Cameron as "Dodgy Dave" (an accurate term) & sticking by his principles not only by refusing to withdraw the remark, but by repeating it.

In an attempt to shame him by kicking him out of the House, the Speaker has elevated his level of respect in the public eye.

FourPart;1494561 wrote: Of course he hasn't broken the law - he just changes the law to suit himself.

Kudos to Dennis Skinner though. Getting ejected from the House for referring to Cameron as "Dodgy Dave" (an accurate term) & sticking by his principles not only by refusing to withdraw the remark, but by repeating it.

In an attempt to shame him by kicking him out of the House, the Speaker has elevated his level of respect in the public eye.


Too true

The Speaker merely applied the rule. I'm quite sure he holds The Beast of Bolsover in the highest respect, as does the country at large.

spot;1494572 wrote: The Speaker merely applied the rule. I'm quite sure he holds The Beast of Bolsover in the highest respect, as does the country at large.
The Speaker merely CHOSE to apply the rule - and he chose to apply it to apply it to a Labour member. Tories have been guilty of far worse insults & have got away with them unchallenged. However, one must not forget that before becoming Speaker, John Bercow was (an presumably still is in his own constituency) a Tory M.P., so there is no real doubt where his sympathies lie, despite the 'official' view that the Speaker has to break all allegiance to their own party.

Cameron has been dodging tax. That much has been demonstrated & admitted as being fact. Therefore the term "Dodgy Dave" is not only appropriate, but demonstrably accurate.

FourPart;1494576 wrote: The Speaker merely CHOSE to apply the rule - and he chose to apply it to apply it to a Labour member. Tories have been guilty of far worse insults & have got away with them unchallenged. However, one must not forget that before becoming Speaker, John Bercow was (an presumably still is in his own constituency) a Tory M.P., so there is no real doubt where his sympathies lie, despite the 'official' view that the Speaker has to break all allegiance to their own party.
Do you know, there's not a single aspect of that paragraph that I'd recognize as honest. John Bercow is a thorn in the side of the Conservative administration, it's why he was elected Speaker in the first place on a free vote of the House. His sympathies blatantly lie with the backbenchers. He applies the rules of the house impartially and rigorously. In my opinion he's the best Speaker the House has had in my lifetime.

the term "Dodgy Dave" is not only appropriate, but demonstrably accurate.


I suggest you look up unparliamentary language. Neither truth nor accuracy has anything to do with the matter.

Corbyns Tax Return shows he over payed, and he got fined for being late......................he's a real bloke, unlike the Etonian.

Jeremy Corbyn has OVER-PAID the taxman in the past year, his office has revealed.

Jeremy Corbyn publishes his tax return in full

nice thread like it

Bruv;1494598 wrote: Corbyns Tax Return shows he over payed, and he got fined for being late......................he's a real bloke, unlike the Etonian.

Jeremy Corbyn has OVER-PAID the taxman in the past year, his office has revealed.

Jeremy Corbyn publishes his tax return in full


This is what the Telegraph's response was in an attempt to sully Corbyn's reputation. As bad a piece of journalism as Iv'e seen on this whole issue.

Jeremy Corbyn's £3million state-funded salary and pension revealed

All they did was added up his average salary for the last 30 years or so he has been an MP and think this is an outrage

He is the devil obviously.

He must have negotiated the MP's wages rates plus all of the pension packages involved.

It would be interesting to know how he voted when the Honourable Members reviewed their own wage rises over the period he has been an MP.

Cameron had been shown to be dodging paying his taxes. He is, therefore, dodgy.

Dodgy [doj-ee]

1. inclined to dodge.

2. evasively tricky: a dodgy manner of dealing with people.

3. Chiefly British. risky; hazardous; chancy.

(Dodgy | Define Dodgy at Dictionary.com)

Seems pretty descriptive of Cameron on all counts.