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Football violence yet again.

An England supporter is in critical condition tonight - and two others have been seriously injured - after violence worsened during a third day of trouble in Marseille.

It's been in Marseilles before, as I recall.

One might wish this country would just revoke their passports and strand them there permanently.

Tattooed skinhead racist thugs, some of them.

It doesn't need to be entirely down to the English.......this time.

If the Russians and the English had their passports and return tickets swapped in Marseilles and sent where the paperwork says, we'd get the better end of the deal.

I think you are saying Russian idiots are better than English ones.

Correct me if I am wrong.

You may be better informed than I. My impression is that the Russian visitors have been fewer, quieter and more tastefully dressed.

Yes......I am better informed then.

I'll be there in a fortnight, I'll enquire of the locals.

spot;1496883 wrote: I'll be there in a fortnight, I'll enquire of the locals.


I shall await your unbiased report.......parlez-vous français ?

Bien sûr! Garçon, me chercher deux femmes pour la soirée!

spot;1496886 wrote: Bien sûr! Garçon, me chercher deux femmes pour la soirée!


Deux ? Pourquoi ?

Vous êtes un homme meilleur que moi Gunga Din

Oh gawd ! Spreccunsi Inglish silver plate !

I understand from the news tonight, that gangs of Russian youths had arrived in Marseille and had started throwing missiles, chairs etc. at groups of English football supporters. I suppose the English are bound to retaliate ! This is just to add to the violence between English and French 'supporters' of the two previous nights !

At the end of the news there was a direct link to the football stadium where a reporter said that at the end of the game there was a loud bang (I heard that and hoped it wasn't a terrorist bomb !), then Russian supporters started to move towards English supporters and some fighting broke out in the stands while the players were leaving the pitch after the whistle had blown. As the reporter was speaking, one could see that there were no people left in the stadium, and all had calmed down.

The next England match will be on Thursday afternoon against Wales, at Lens. I don't expect there will be any Russians there to cause trouble, and I would hope that the English and Welsh supporters would be much better behaved and not like savages ! Good grief I thought all this damn violence was sorted long ago. It is supposed to be a sport ! An entertainment !

Bruv;1496881 wrote: Yes......I am better informed then.


Fathoming the BBC reports I can see why we may have reached different conclusions. The Russian violence appears to have been primarily confined to the stadium, while the English violence was visible in the three-day drunken city-centre posturing against the forces of law and order. I'd seen nothing of what happened inside the stadium while we were discussing the issue. Yes, a portion of the Russian crowd premeditatedly threatened the English crowd as the game finished and it was very one-sided.

When you visit, ask the locals whether the problems started in the preceding days.

The two countries, Russia and England have a history of alcohol fueled hooliganism had a competition over who were best at it.

There are people like that.

On the one hand we did invade their country. On the other, the Russian Navy did attack the British inshore trawler fleet fishing on the Dogger Bank. Presumably football fans consider this to be unfinished business.

spot;1496911 wrote: Fathoming the BBC reports I can see why we may have reached different conclusions. The Russian violence appears to have been primarily confined to the stadium, while the English violence was visible in the three-day drunken city-centre posturing against the forces of law and order. I'd seen nothing of what happened inside the stadium while we were discussing the issue. Yes, a portion of the Russian crowd premeditatedly threatened the English crowd as the game finished and it was very one-sided.


The TV report did say that gangs of Russian supporters arrived in Marseille well before the match and they were seen to attack British supporters in the town !

spot;1496918 wrote: On the one hand we did invade their country. On the other, the Russian Navy did attack the British inshore trawler fleet fishing on the Dogger Bank. Presumably football fans consider this to be unfinished business.


Not sure about the invasion of Russia unless you are talking about Crimea ! But if that was the case then surely that was cancelled out by the terrific loss of life of British sailors (both merchant and Royal Navy) whilst getting food and supplies round to starving Russia in the Arctic convoys in WWII ! No I can't see 'old scores' here, just plain nasty hooliganism.

G#Gill;1496925 wrote: Not sure about the invasion of Russia unless you are talking about Crimea !Good lord no - the British invaded the Soviet Union on several fronts in 1919 with an aim to intervene in the Civil War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleson_mission

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunsterforce

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Russia_Intervention

I am pretty sure the thugs on both sides are lacking the historical background Spot speaks about,more to do with alcohol intake and bravado away from home.

Bruv;1496931 wrote: I am pretty sure the thugs on both sides are lacking the historical background Spot speaks about,more to do with alcohol intake and bravado away from home.


Exactly, Bruv. Too much testosterone and alcohol. All those caught fighting (both sides) should be rounded up and incarcerated in two separate containment areas. till they sober up and then get escorted to the airport and shipped back to their own countries. When back in their own countries they should be black-listed and have their passports confiscated.

I heard something on the radio about there being Football Hooliganism Training Camps in Russia. Really? Does it really take any training?

I think im having one of those..."is it just me" moments. Does anyone remember soccer hooligans being so fit? Those russians looked a bit military-ish to me. And the sickening footage!

magentaflame;1497163 wrote: I think im having one of those..."is it just me" moments. Does anyone remember soccer hooligans being so fit? Those russians looked a bit military-ish to me. And the sickening footage!


The result of weeks spent in training camps learning how to be better thugs?