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Troll Presidential Candidates:

Conservative Hillary is Dem; Progressive Trump is Rep; Really? Give us a break!

Wow! What a wacky lineup!

On the "LIBERAL" side, we have a long-time establishment politician who has supported just about everything that her followers oppose. The list is too long to list here, but you all know it. It includes war, corporate bailouts, special interests, terrorism and anti-terrorism of various sorts, pay-to-play political corruption... all the things that "LIBERALS" are supposed to be against.

On the "CONSERVATIVE" side, we have a long-time liberal donor who has supported just about everything that his followers oppose. The list is too long to list here, but you can find it with a little research. It includes special favors for large corporations (his), government land grabs (eminent domain seizures), trade wars and restrictions (as long as it doesn't impact him and his friends), and who knows what else (since what he says changes from soundbite to soundbite).

If either were on a forum acting that way, they would immediately be called out for being a troll. But, because they have big money and big connections and huge special interest groups, they are each the hero of their respective movements.

It seems like sometime in the past some comedian (maybe Woody Allen) came up with this idea and pitched it as a "totally hilarious movie idea..." and the Hollywood producers turned it down as just too ridiculous to be credible with their audiences. Then some political activist got ahold of it and said, "just because it's too bizarre for a movie doesn't mean the voting public won't eat it up!"

So, we have Hillary Trump, the movie, presented to us as if it were real life.

Not Sorry Folks, but I'm not that gullible.

I refuse to let such silliness cause me to go around flapping that "the sky is falling".

Whoever wins, it will be a sad but hilarious time for America.

I expect to have a lot of laughs over their antics, both during the election and afterwards.

If the winner doesn't start a nuclear war or other major catastrophe, I can say, "see the sky didn't fall". If they do something really horrible (which seems quite likely for either of them) I can say, "don't blame me, I don't support that system".

Of course bad things will result from either of them being elected. The main difference I see is that those who vote for either are enablers to the system and thereby share responsibility in the outcome, whatever it is, while those who don't vote, are not responsible for whatever happens.

Sure, some people think that "you're not responsible..." is a put-down. It may be, depending on the circumstances. "You're not responsible for taking care of yourself..." is definitely not good (except to those who want to control you by taking care of you). "You're not responsible for this crime..." is definitely good.

Voting is taking responsibility for the crimes of the winners and the whole political system.

I am happy to be responsible for myself and my family. I refuse to take responsibility for a political system that is out of control and ruled by lunatics.

If you disagree feel free to vote. It's your conscience.

Was it Bill Clinton who said America had to begin preparing themselves for the time theyre not in charge anymore?

We are in for interesting times.

I predict another world war before 2030. Another deep depression. And a mentality of order through chaos.

But why would you go out of your way to tell people NOT to vote.

Thats a little weird, equivalent to our compulsary system.

El Veto-Voter;1500768 wrote: ******************************************************

Troll Presidential Candidates:

Conservative Hillary is Dem; Progressive Trump is Rep; Really? Give us a break!

Wow! What a wacky lineup!

On the "LIBERAL" side, we have a long-time establishment politician who has supported just about everything that her followers oppose. The list is too long to list here, but you all know it. It includes war, corporate bailouts, special interests, terrorism and anti-terrorism of various sorts, pay-to-play political corruption... all the things that "LIBERALS" are supposed to be against.

On the "CONSERVATIVE" side, we have a long-time liberal donor who has supported just about everything that his followers oppose. The list is too long to list here, but you can find it with a little research. It includes special favors for large corporations (his), government land grabs (eminent domain seizures), trade wars and restrictions (as long as it doesn't impact him and his friends), and who knows what else (since what he says changes from soundbite to soundbite).

If either were on a forum acting that way, they would immediately be called out for being a troll. But, because they have big money and big connections and huge special interest groups, they are each the hero of their respective movements.

It seems like sometime in the past some comedian (maybe Woody Allen) came up with this idea and pitched it as a "totally hilarious movie idea..." and the Hollywood producers turned it down as just too ridiculous to be credible with their audiences. Then some political activist got ahold of it and said, "just because it's too bizarre for a movie doesn't mean the voting public won't eat it up!"

So, we have Hillary Trump, the movie, presented to us as if it were real life.

Not Sorry Folks, but I'm not that gullible.

I refuse to let such silliness cause me to go around flapping that "the sky is falling".

Whoever wins, it will be a sad but hilarious time for America.

I expect to have a lot of laughs over their antics, both during the election and afterwards.

If the winner doesn't start a nuclear war or other major catastrophe, I can say, "see the sky didn't fall". If they do something really horrible (which seems quite likely for either of them) I can say, "don't blame me, I don't support that system".

Of course bad things will result from either of them being elected. The main difference I see is that those who vote for either are enablers to the system and thereby share responsibility in the outcome, whatever it is, while those who don't vote, are not responsible for whatever happens.

Sure, some people think that "you're not responsible..." is a put-down. It may be, depending on the circumstances. "You're not responsible for taking care of yourself..." is definitely not good (except to those who want to control you by taking care of you). "You're not responsible for this crime..." is definitely good.

Voting is taking responsibility for the crimes of the winners and the whole political system.

I am happy to be responsible for myself and my family. I refuse to take responsibility for a political system that is out of control and ruled by lunatics.

If you disagree feel free to vote. It's your conscience.


So then, for you, the answer is to just crawl into a hole and wait for things to fall in on you, then blame all the other people.

LarsMac;1500779 wrote: So then, for you, the answer is to just crawl into a hole and wait for things to fall in on you, then blame all the other people.


Actually, my answer is to not get perturbed, stay above the fray, refuse to be part of the problem, work on real solutions, and educate.

The first step towards getting people to think about alternative solutions is to first dispell the myth that what they are doing is solving the problems. That's the main reason for Halt! Vote!

Here's a little poem I wrote yesterday that explains my position:

Unflappable is reasonable it's the only way for me

To greet each trivial issue with blissful apathy

To live each day the considerate way

Content to stay above the fray

Halt! Vote!



And have fun laughing at all the clowns...

Turn on, tune in, drop out.

AnneBoleyn;1500807 wrote: Turn on, tune in, drop out.


Wow! What an AWESOME concept! Thank You!

Did you come up with that, or did you hear it somewhere?

That is soooo meaningful! Omigosh, I can't believe that anybody could be so deep thinking!

Really, you must be in tune with some deep philosophy to bring out such relevant concepts. Are you in tune with The Buhdda or Nostradamus or the Dahli Llama?

Wow! Such revelations deserved deep genuflections. We are in awe.:wah:

Thank you. Your awe is deeply appreciated.

AnneBoleyn;1500807 wrote: Turn on, tune in, drop out.


Wow! I hadn't thought about Timothy Leary in a long time.

AnneBoleyn;1500856 wrote: Thank you. Your awe is deeply appreciated.


Along with the deep genuflections?

Wandrin;1500858 wrote: Wow! I hadn't thought about Timothy Leary in a long time.




Just looked him up on wikipedia. You know used to listen to this and wonder who timothy leary was so many songs I know where knowing the lyrics or what they meant ifa nything don't really matter.

Hijacking my own thread, I'm afraid. But remembering Tim Leary is much less nervewracking than thinking about political trolls.

Back in the 70s I wrote a song to Timothy Leary. It was during a dark time when it was rumored that he had turned state's evidence in order to win his own freedom from prison. It went something like this (actual words and music are long lost -- it didn't go viral or anything).

"I always wanted to write a song to my patron saint,

But now it seems the time has come; and now a saint he ain't.

Tim Leary! Tim Leary! Why?

I remember when I was in highschool,

You had got busted and thrown in jail,

I remember kids across the country,

Gave their lunch money to raise your bail...

That's about all I remember.

They tell me that senile dementia is only a passing stage. But they refuse to say when I will get over it.

AnneBoleyn;1500807 wrote: Turn on, tune in, drop out.


LOL. You just restarted the 60s. Way to go Anne.

El Veto-Voter;1501026 wrote: Hijacking my own thread, I'm afraid. But remembering Tim Leary is much less nervewracking than thinking about political trolls.

Back in the 70s I wrote a song to Timothy Leary. It was during a dark time when it was rumored that he had turned state's evidence in order to win his own freedom from prison. It went something like this (actual words and music are long lost -- it didn't go viral or anything).

"I always wanted to write a song to my patron saint,

But now it seems the time has come; and now a saint he ain't.

Tim Leary! Tim Leary! Why?

I remember when I was in highschool,

You had got busted and thrown in jail,

I remember kids across the country,

Gave their lunch money to raise your bail...

That's about all I remember.

They tell me that senile dementia is only a passing stage. But they refuse to say when I will get over it.


Very cute in a 60's sort of way. lol