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If Condalessa Rice were to run for president in 2008, would you vote for her?

Overlooking that she is a republican. She is educated, smart, a go getting type woman, tough, woman of color, young, been exposed to the inside stuff of Washinton,D.C., handles responsiblity very well. If not, why not?

She has pretty impressive background, with a PhD, fluent in quite a few important languages, and knows the political scene.

And there is nothing to overlook that she is a Republican.......................

I don't know the background on a lot of others but she simply facinates me and I don't care if she is purple with pink polka dots, she is brilliant, talented, calm in a situation where she is speaking to leaders of other countries ( and a lot of time in their own language)..I would vote for her in a heart beat...have her ice skate for me and end with a piano concert....she could do it all, though probably not all at once and that is what the voters would want or they would criticize.

The fact that she is a Republican is her ONLY redeeming quality. Would I vote for her? Not in this lifetime. Why? This country is NOT ready for a female president, and I doubt it ever will be.

You mean you're not ready.



I like what I've seen so far, especially the fact she's not a professional elected politician. I'd like to see her run.

Nope. Not me. Not yet anyway. I want to know if she can govern. She has never run for elected office either. Nobody would even be talking about her as a possibility if it wasn't for Hillary. Just because the Democrats put up a female, the republicans start talking like the only way to win is to answer the Democrat's female with a double minority. Skeeter, you are right, she is impressive but I don't know that she would be the best available.

Accountable wrote: You mean you're not ready.
No that's NOT what I mean. What I mean is, in my opinion, this country is not ready for a female president. Just like I said.

Bridget wrote: If Condalessa Rice were to run for president in 2008, would you vote for her?

Overlooking that she is a republican. She is educated, smart, a go getting type woman, tough, woman of color, young, been exposed to the inside stuff of Washinton,D.C., handles responsiblity very well. If not, why not?


I would vote for her in a heartbeat irrespective of her being a Republican. Actually, she is far better qualified than Hillary in my view.

BabyRider wrote: No that's NOT what I mean. What I mean is, in my opinion, this country is not ready for a female president. Just like I said.


I dont understand this. What do you have to do or not do to be ready for a woman president ? What would happen differently ?

Lon wrote: I would vote for her in a heartbeat irrespective of her being a Republican. Actually, she is far better qualified than Hillary in my view.


I would vote for "Cookie Monster" before Hillary!!!! :guitarist

lady cop wrote: I HAVE NOT READ THIS THREAD, and i am sorry, my fonts are nuts.
What kind of meds are you on?:D

Clint wrote: What kind of meds are you on?i would not tell anyone except you. they make me so sick. i have to go will write you back.

cars wrote: I would vote for "Cookie Monster" before Hillary!!!! :guitarist
Cookie Monster rules!

Nomad wrote: I dont understand this. What do you have to do or not do to be ready for a woman president ? What would happen differently ?
I am glad Hillary is running and I hope she keeps on running until she is a mere dot in the distance....

i hate this, hill and i were born on the same day. we have some characteristics in common. EXCEPT she is a stone liar. i am not able to lie.

I am so sorry that you have to share a birthday with that woman..and consider how many days there are in a year and how many people there are in the world and of all those people you have the pleasure of sharing....with HER....Does that make you feel special..or what..? ha.

my lover and i were born on the same day also.that is cool. **** hillary.

My husband was born on Jesus' birthday....at least the birthday that we celebrate...which was special until the gifts were passed around. ha.

When our oldest son was four his grandmother who was born on Christmas Eve asked him " do you know what day this is?" and he said "Daddys birthday" and she said " Who else?" and he couldn't remember and she said "It is Jesus' birthday" and he looked wide eyed at her and said "You mean Jesus was born on Daddys birthday." of course Granny got tickled and told him "Yes" ...I always made a birthday cake for Granny, Daddy and Jesus to share...their names were on the cake so the kids grew up with a birthday cake for Jesus and Daddy on Chistmas day.

Skeeter wrote: My husband was born on Jesus' birthday....at least the birthday that we celebrate...which was special until the gifts were passed around. ha.

When our oldest son was four his grandmother who was born on Christmas Eve asked him " do you know what day this is?" and he said "Daddys birthday" and she said " Who else?" and he couldn't remember and she said "It is Jesus' birthday" and he looked wide eyed at her and said "You mean Jesus was born on Daddys birthday." of course Granny got tickled and told him "Yes" ...I always made a birthday cake for Granny, Daddy and Jesus to share...their names were on the cake so the kids grew up with a birthday cake for Jesus and Daddy on Chistmas day.


Great idea, loved the multi name cake!!!

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why a woman president is a bad idea simply based on gender.

I am not against a woman president if it means choosing between Hillary and Condilessa...but you asked why it was so different for man or woman to be president? It would not hold true in all cases but how would you like a woman to be near the red phone while she was in a big PMS mode ???Whooee...!!!!!

I apologize...I was wrong and am not too proud to admit it...I would a lot rather have a big macho man with a big ego standing by that phone ...oh, yes, that would be much better.

I would vote for her, she is very capable.. I would vote for her over HILARY any day.. If not for president she would also be a good VP on the Republican ticket.

I don't care what sex you are, if you have what it take to be president you will be voted in ... SOON WE WILL SEE A WOMEN AS PRESIDENT..

Margaret Thatcher of England and Helen Clarke of New Zealand have certainly proved themselves capable of heading a government whether you agree with them politically or not.

Accountable wrote: I'm still waiting for someone to explain why a woman president is a bad idea simply based on gender.
You are asking a question that has the potential to open up a discussion bound for trouble. People have very deeply held views or feelings on your question but those views have been suppressed by political correctness. Views that have been suppressed tend to explode from being under the pressure of oppression. I think the views people hold are pretty much what they have always been and they will manifest themselves as a huge surprise once people have voted in private.

The question is phrased in a way that reflects the oppressive liberal machine's MO… “I'm still waiting for someone to explain why a woman president is a bad idea simply based on gender.” What if you had said; “I’m still waiting for someone to explain why a woman would be better than a man for president”, you may have drawn out some discussion that way.

In my view, a woman could do the job of president and quite possibly do it well. Others have pointed out that women have served well as heads of State in other countries.

I think the odds are much better that a man would be more capable in that role than a woman for a number of reasons.

Men are generally more capable when it comes to abstract thinking. Men are generally less likely to be swayed by their emotions. Men are generally more likely to be able to remain calm in highly stressful situations.

Most world leaders are men. Some of them have very strong beliefs about the roles of women. A male president will be able to command respect with those leaders that a woman will have to work a lot harder to get. We live in a world that is either going mad or has gone mad, depending on your perspective. It may not be a good time to see if a woman will be able to get the respect she needs at the helm of the most powerful nation on the planet.

Clint wrote:

In my view, a woman could do the job of president and quite possibly do it well. Others have pointed out that women have served well as heads of State in other countries.



I think the odds are much better that a man would be more capable in that role than a woman for a number of reasons.



Men are generally more capable when it comes to abstract thinking. Men are generally less likely to be swayed by their emotions. Men are generally more likely to be able to remain calm in highly stressful situations.



Most world leaders are men. Some of them have very strong beliefs about the roles of women. A male president will be able to command respect with those leaders that a woman will have to work a lot harder to get. We live in a world that is either going mad or has gone mad, depending on your perspective. It may not be a good time to see if a woman will be able to get the respect she needs at the helm of the most powerful nation on the planet.


Clint...you state that "some world leaders have very strong beliefs about the roles of women"...this is true, but the world is changing ....is the world to stand still and let 'men rule' for ever ?. A person should be judged by their competence to do the job whatever their sex, race or religion. Most women have had to work twice as hard as their male counterparts to get where they are and the successful are successful with a capital S.



Men are generally more capable when it comes to abstract thinking. Men are generally less likely to be swayed by their emotions. Men are generally more likely to be able to remain calm in highly stressful situations.



Sorry...I don't agree with this statement....who holds families together in stressful situations....the woman

What evidence is there that men are better at absract thinking?

Men are also swayed by their emotions...particularly 'anger'







Condelessa Rice or any other woman should get the job if she's capable and competent...this is the 21st century....any Head of goverment that doesn't respect a female world leader shouldn't be in the job themselves.

Clint wrote: You are asking a question that has the potential to open up a discussion bound for trouble. People have very deeply held views or feelings on your question but those views have been suppressed by political correctness. Views that have been suppressed tend to explode from being under the pressure of oppression. I think the views people hold are pretty much what they have always been and they will manifest themselves as a huge surprise once people have voted in private.



The question is phrased in a way that reflects the oppressive liberal machine's MO… “I'm still waiting for someone to explain why a woman president is a bad idea simply based on gender.” What if you had said; “I’m still waiting for someone to explain why a woman would be better than a man for president”, you may have drawn out some discussion that way.



In my view, a woman could do the job of president and quite possibly do it well. Others have pointed out that women have served well as heads of State in other countries.



I think the odds are much better that a man would be more capable in that role than a woman for a number of reasons.



Men are generally more capable when it comes to abstract thinking. Men are generally less likely to be swayed by their emotions. Men are generally more likely to be able to remain calm in highly stressful situations.



Most world leaders are men. Some of them have very strong beliefs about the roles of women. A male president will be able to command respect with those leaders that a woman will have to work a lot harder to get. We live in a world that is either going mad or has gone mad, depending on your perspective. It may not be a good time to see if a woman will be able to get the respect she needs at the helm of the most powerful nation on the planet.
Well then, I guess it's fortunate we don't vote for average people. A man of presidential calibre is hardly in the category of men in general. The same for a woman. It's not a lottery.

Accountable wrote: Well then, I guess it's fortunate we don't vote for average people. A man of presidential calibre is hardly in the category of men in general. The same for a woman. It's not a lottery.


I agree...just what I wanted to say...I just used more words....is eloquence a gift ACC ....or can I learn

Bez wrote: I agree...just what I wanted to say...I just used more words....is eloquence a gift ACC ....or can I learn
Now cut that out! :yh_blush

Accountable wrote: Now cut that out! :yh_blush


I take it that it's a gift then :yh_star

I wrote a paper for uni once that came back with "Terse yet Pithy" written on it. I had to look up both words.

I wrote an essay for my eldest son once because he was getting real stressed about it...he got a 'C'...ooops

Far Rider wrote: would I vote for a woman for president?



heck yes.


yeahhhh



someone should have done a poll on this....could have been interesting. !

I would also vote for a woman. It all comes down to who is running. I probably shold have qualified my earlier post with that.

Not knowing too much about her politically aside from how she's been with Bush, I don't think I'd vote for her. It has nothing to do with her gender, I just don't think I like her very much. But heck, she could change by 2008. That would be something I'd really have to research.

actionfigurestepho wrote: Not knowing too much about her politically aside from how she's been with Bush, I don't think I'd vote for her. It has nothing to do with her gender, I just don't think I like her very much. But heck, she could change by 2008. That would be something I'd really have to research.
You just don't like her "angry alien" grin.

Bez with all your so called words you nailed it down to a T. I told my husband about my putting this question up and someones response that they would not want a woman president during a bad case of PMS. His response was: Better than a man that was horny. He said men that are horny have their mind only on one thing. He was right on that one as our nation has had past experience.

Bridget wrote: Bez with all your so called words you nailed it down to a T. I told my husband about my putting this question up and someones response that they would not want a woman president during a bad case of PMS. His response was: Better than a man that was horny. He said men that are horny have their mind only on one thing. He was right on that one as our nation has had past experience.
Bill with his wandering eyes and Hillary with her wild eyes...what a pair.

Dear Bridgette, randall here,

As a non US citizen I certainly would not vote for Condilessa Rice much as I admire all of her many qualities.

Why?

Because I believe I would be sentencing her to death.

I am a great believer in "Secret Governments" - not the men in black suits but the men in grey coats who pull the strings of Presidents, Prime ministers and even chancellors

They are only the public faces of the men in grey.

To me they are as much, if not greater, mystery than the Da Vinci Code. We will never know about them in our lifetime but, someday it will come out. Just like the KKK.

I believe that General Colin Powell did not stand for executive office because he would have been barely in office before he would have been assassinated.

Katrina shows how much the Black people are looked up to and I am sure that well over ninety per cent of the US population would not stand for a coloured President

I might be 180 degrees off course but that is my conclusions based on many visits to your country and also travelling through it extensively - I even did "Route 66" on a Greyhound Bus in 1965 stopping off every night or two at various towns and cities and saw and spoke to a wide cross section of the US public.

The biggest memory I came away with - and am still experiencing because of my frequent visits to my daughter in Florida is your almost total ignorance of the world.

I am asked where I come from.

"Scotland?" he stokes his chin, "ye I've heard of that. What country's border is it on?"

"The next state north of us.? Well I guess that would be , ah, mmmm, Oh yea, I's sure it is Montana."

I was in Flagtaff at the time.

On a tour round New York on Greyline Tours a lady said to me, "I'm really glad you were with us. You seem to know much more about this city than us and were from Ohio."

Many of your citizens do not realise that you have no real national newspaper and my biggest surprise when I was a young seaman listening to the wireless news broadcasts, "And now for some items of foreign news," What followed was a short list of items about things that had happened outside the state of New York but still in the USA - you call your own people foreigners?????

Sorry, but you do take some getting used to.

God bless.

randall



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Thank you Randall for your very indepth reply. You are so right about the ignorance of our American citizens about their own country. I am also glad to say there are a lot of us who are far more intelligent than the people you unfortunatly met. I live in the midwest (Illinois) the state where Route 66 starts. We in the midwest realize that the residents of the two coasts do not recognize we exist, that we are college graduates, work very hard and though we do not have the glamour of NYC we do have exposure to the nicer things of life that people in their own city do not have. Please do not judge us by the people you met as the general citizens of the USA.

Now to the real reason you wrote. Do you think Condalessa would be a bigger target for assassanation because she is of color.and a woman than a white male would be? Martin Luther King said in one of his speeches that there would never be true segregation until when we as US citizens would look at a person and not see black or white. When I look at Condazessa I see a woman not a color. The same with Colin Powell. True they are attractive, smart people. Unfortunately this does not hold true of the real south. If they had their way there would still be slavery. I too have visited extensively in several southern states. I also came away feeling like there was not true segregation, only a glossed over picture for the government. You may be right this country may not be ready for a woman president, white or of color. That was the bases of my question. Bridget

I was the one who made the remark about the p.m.s. and got called down on it ....saying it couldn't be worse than big men close to the red phone...so I guess I really didn't want either...but WHO ELSE...we only have men and women...unles you have a cross dresser {Is that a man or woman that gets angry while changing clothes ?}Okay, so over and out.

Bridget wrote: Thank you Randall for your very indepth reply. You are so right about the ignorance of our American citizens about their own country. I am also glad to say there are a lot of us who are far more intelligent than the people you unfortunatly met. I live in the midwest (Illinois) the state where Route 66 starts. We in the midwest realize that the residents of the two coasts do not recognize we exist, that we are college graduates, work very hard and though we do not have the glamour of NYC we do have exposure to the nicer things of life that people in their own city do not have. Please do not judge us by the people you met as the general citizens of the USA.

Now to the real reason you wrote. Do you think Condalessa would be a bigger target for assassanation because she is of color.and a woman than a white male would be? Martin Luther King said in one of his speeches that there would never be true segregation until when we as US citizens would look at a person and not see black or white. When I look at Condazessa I see a woman not a color. The same with Colin Powell. True they are attractive, smart people. Unfortunately this does not hold true of the real south. If they had their way there would still be slavery. I too have visited extensively in several southern states. I also came away feeling like there was not true segregation, only a glossed over picture for the government. You may be right this country may not be ready for a woman president, white or of color. That was the bases of my question. Bridget
That's pretty good. First you tell how enlightened you in the midwest are, then you make a prejudicial, unfounded, blanket statement about your fellow citizens. Come off your high horse, the air is obviously too thin for you up there.

Come on Accountable reread my statements and I believe I explained everything I was trying to emphasis to the gentleman who was putting down the few citizens of America that are not your educated, well versed speakers. He picked out a few people he met on the streets and grouped the general public as like them which I felt was wrong and was insulted by it. Accountable have you ever lived in the midwest , believe me we are looked at like a bunch of dumb farmers, and blue collar workers that have not experienced life off the farm. Boy who ever judges us as such just doesn't know how it really is. I have traveled all over this country and find our people as the best there is just as I feel about you all on this forum. As to my statement about the southern people I still stand by my comments about their not really liking segregation. I have talked to a lot of those people and know just how they feel. I was pratically thrown out of a gentlemans home in Florida a few years ago because I made a comment supporting the colored people. He and his sons were furious with me. I have talked with people in Texas, same story. I am not trying to gloss over what I wrote as I feel they are true, if you think I am on a high horse so be it, you too are also entitled to your opinions,

Bridget wrote: Come on Accountable reread my statements and I believe I explained everything I was trying to emphasis to the gentleman who was putting down the few citizens of America that are not your educated, well versed speakers. He picked out a few people he met on the streets and grouped the general public as like them which I felt was wrong and was insulted by it. Accountable have you ever lived in the midwest , believe me we are looked at like a bunch of dumb farmers, and blue collar workers that have not experienced life off the farm. Boy who ever judges us as such just doesn't know how it really is. I have traveled all over this country and find our people as the best there is just as I feel about you all on this forum. As to my statement about the southern people I still stand by my comments about their not really liking segregation. I have talked to a lot of those people and know just how they feel. I was pratically thrown out of a gentlemans home in Florida a few years ago because I made a comment supporting the colored people. He and his sons were furious with me. I have talked with people in Texas, same story. I am not trying to gloss over what I wrote as I feel they are true, if you think I am on a high horse so be it, you too are also entitled to your opinions,
I can't believe you can't see the hypocrisy in your posts! You honestly can't see that you are doing the same thing to southern people as you think Randall was doing to your beloved midwesterners?!? I guess love isn't the only thing that's blind. Bigotry must be as well.

randall wrote:

Dear Bridgette, randall here,

As a non US citizen I certainly would not vote for Condilessa Rice much as I admire all of her many qualities.

Why?

Because I believe I would be sentencing her to death.

I am a great believer in "Secret Governments" - not the men in black suits but the men in grey coats who pull the strings of Presidents, Prime ministers and even chancellors

They are only the public faces of the men in grey.

To me they are as much, if not greater, mystery than the Da Vinci Code. We will never know about them in our lifetime but, someday it will come out. Just like the KKK.

I believe that General Colin Powell did not stand for executive office because he would have been barely in office before he would have been assassinated.

Katrina shows how much the Black people are looked up to and I am sure that well over ninety per cent of the US population would not stand for a coloured President

I might be 180 degrees off course but that is my conclusions based on many visits to your country and also travelling through it extensively - I even did "Route 66" on a Greyhound Bus in 1965 stopping off every night or two at various towns and cities and saw and spoke to a wide cross section of the US public.

The biggest memory I came away with - and am still experiencing because of my frequent visits to my daughter in Florida is your almost total ignorance of the world.

I am asked where I come from.

"Scotland?" he stokes his chin, "ye I've heard of that. What country's border is it on?"

"The next state north of us.? Well I guess that would be , ah, mmmm, Oh yea, I's sure it is Montana."

I was in Flagtaff at the time.

On a tour round New York on Greyline Tours a lady said to me, "I'm really glad you were with us. You seem to know much more about this city than us and were from Ohio."

Many of your citizens do not realise that you have no real national newspaper and my biggest surprise when I was a young seaman listening to the wireless news broadcasts, "And now for some items of foreign news," What followed was a short list of items about things that had happened outside the state of New York but still in the USA - you call your own people foreigners?????

Sorry, but you do take some getting used to.

God bless.

randall



:-3


I disagree with you about Condi Rice being in danger if she were elected Pres. Same could be said about ANY U.S. president. There is such wide spread hatred of Bush right now by some people that his life is possibly in danger. Black, Catholic, Jew, Oriental, Methodist, Atheist etc. Being president of the U.S. could be a death sentence no matter what your ethnicity or religious belief. It goes with the job.

I agree with you about my countrymen's knowledge or lack there of when it comes to geography and history. I spend a good deal of time in New Zealand and Asutralia each year as well as So. East Asia. Most New Zealanders know more about the U.S. than many U.S. citizens. Much of my peer group think that New Zealand and Australia are one country and that there is even a bridge between the two countries (It's three hours by jet from NZ to OZ). When I asked a Kiwi why many of his countrymen seem to know so much about the U.S. he replied that "NZ is a small country and no one really pays attention to us, where as what the U.S. does, affects the whole world".

As for not having a National newspaper, your right, however that does not mean we are limited in our access to what is going on in the U.S. as well as the rest of the world. Each small town has it's own newspaper and typically covers just the news in that community. Larger cities have bigger newspapers and cover that city's happenings plus some national and international news events. Weekly publications like Tme, Newsweek, U.S. News & World Report cover National and International news events. Then of course there is TV and the Internet. My point? If you wish to be well informed about what is going on in the world, you must read and listen to multiple news sources. Most Americans don't do that, unfortunately.

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Hello there, randall making hay again,

It may interest Bridgette and Accountable that on my very first visit to the USA I was a victim of segregation!

My ship, the SS "Ulysses", bound to Liverpool from the Far East passed through the Straits of Gibraltar and instead of turning north continued straight out into the setting sun.

I can picture it vividly still.

Little did I know then that it was going to make a four month trip into a fourteen month trip.

Scuttlebutt, Junior engineers were never told anything, soon informed me that we were bound for Boston and then New York and from thence to Liverpool on the Mersey. Our home port. My home was a seventeen hour train journey from there.

In Boston I bought my first wireless set from Scandinavian salesman who went around the ships selling fountain pens - I didn't want a pen but he had been given a Hallicrafter Short Wave Wireless Set in exchange for a pen or two on another ship - so I bought the wireless set. It served me wall for ten years until I gave it to my brother in law who was a lighthouse keeper.

New York I never saw as I did not get a chance to see it. Instead I was told that I had to leave the ship and go on a train from Central Station to New Orleans to join another ship, the SS "Myrmidon".

The reason I did not discover until I joined the new ship.

A Junior engineer had gone into the nearest bar to the ship for a drink. Unfortunately it was a "BLACK BAR" and in no time at all he had caused a international diplomatic incident. The British consul was called in after he had been arrested and put in jail.

The bar owner lost his license.

The Consul promised the court that if the junior engineer promised never again to set foot in the USA he could be shipped up to New York and go from there to Liverpool on the SS "Ulysses" This was agreed to - otherwise it would have been a jail sentence,

I took three days travelling by train down to New Orleans and must have passed him in the night - or at least one of the nights.

That was my introduction to the good old US of A where I could go on a bus and move a sign saying "No BLacks In Front Of This Sign" back wards if there were not enough seats but a poor black person could not move that sign forward.

Such was my introduction and welcome to America!?

God Bless.

randall

Lon wrote: I disagree with you about Condi Rice being in danger if she were elected Pres. Same could be said about ANY U.S. president. There is such wide spread hatred of Bush right now by some people that his life is possibly in danger. Black, Catholic, Jew, Oriental, Methodist, Atheist etc. Being president of the U.S. could be a death sentence no matter what your ethnicity or religious belief. It goes with the job.

I agree with you about my countrymen's knowledge or lack there of when it comes to geography and history. I spend a good deal of time in New Zealand and Asutralia each year as well as So. East Asia. Most New Zealanders know more about the U.S. than many U.S. citizens. Much of my peer group think that New Zealand and Australia are one country and that there is even a bridge between the two countries (It's three hours by jet from NZ to OZ). When I asked a Kiwi why many of his countrymen seem to know so much about the U.S. he replied that "NZ is a small country and no one really pays attention to us, where as what the U.S. does, affects the whole world".

As for not having a National newspaper, your right, however that does not mean we are limited in our access to what is going on in the U.S. as well as the rest of the world. Each small town has it's own newspaper and typically covers just the news in that community. Larger cities have bigger newspapers and cover that city's happenings plus some national and international news events. Weekly publications like Tme, Newsweek, U.S. News & World Report cover National and International news events. Then of course there is TV and the Internet. My point? If you wish to be well informed about what is going on in the world, you must read and listen to multiple news sources. Most Americans don't do that, unfortunately.
Many years ago my daughter was married to a Marine and he was being sent to N.C. so our daughter called to a beauty shop there and asked them if they accepted Idaho licenses? the girl in N.C. didn't even put her hand over the reciever and yelled to someone in the beauty shop " Is Idaho in the United States ?" and while we were in N.C. visiting the kids I had a woman all enthused because she had a friend that moved to Iowa, and maybe I knew them?