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Similar reaction to Erik's post. That kinda of crap isn't ...

<t>Just to clarify, its not that I have no regard for the suffering of women, or see them as less valuable than men. Its that I dont believe that the suffering a woman endures from rape justifies killing an unborn child. I also feel, that while its not justified, a woman who gets an abortion after ...

<t>"You wrap this up in an anti abortion save the child packinging yet all I see is hateful controlling misogynistic claptrap. Despite your words you really have no respect for women at all."<br/>
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<t>Bryn Mawr;1201651 wrote: In the same way that it is considered cruel and inhuman to prolong the suffering of a terminally ill animal or adult, it can be cruel and inhuman to prolong the suffering of a terminally ill foetus or baby.<br/>
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Bryn Mawr;1201407 wrote: And that is?


Keep the baby out of pain as much as possible and do everything medically possible to save and prolong the baby’s life.

<t>Victoria;1201628 wrote: [QUOTE=Erik;1201621]<br/>
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<t>Victoria;1201480 wrote: This is the kind of male reaction that makes my blood boil going round telling women what they can and cant do just who the hell do you think you are? you can never ever be in this position so how dare you judge.<br/>
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<t>Chockygirl;1201399 wrote: <br/>
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<t>Chockygirl;1201386 wrote: <br/>
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I think I was just musing that the debate was going around in circles,and rather than just repeating what had already been said,I thought we had more or less exhausted all our opinions.<br/>
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<t>Bryn Mawr;1201388 wrote: I do not understand this concept that, from conception, the foetus is an independent life and that its rights take precedence over all others.<br/>
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As I see it, until the foetus is capable of self sustained existence, it is a part of its mother and is it a potential ...

<t>And to the girls who complain about getting pregnant after having consensual sex, all I have to say is this; Life is full of choices and consequences, if you don’t want to get pregnant keep your legs together. While the guy is responsible as well, you are the one who has to carry the baby and you ...

<t>gmc;1201337 wrote: I suppose that's the heart of the matter. When are you talking about a human being? On one level having an abortion is no different from using a contraceptive-you have prevented a birth. If a foetus can't survive outside of the womb is it a human being? It's very hard to ...

<t>gmc;1201134 wrote: Most definitely not-it's not your call. IMO the threads that should be allowed to run till they peter out are the ones where there is the most disagreement. Most of the problems i the world are caused by the inability of people to sit down and argue about things they ...

<t>Ok Chockygirl, I have given it some thought, here is my answer:<br/>
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First of all, let me say that such a situation stands out as unique from every other reason to get an abortion. This situation involves the act of terminating the life of one in order to save the live of another which sets ...

<t>Chockygirl;1200568 wrote: <br/>
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There are many people who don't deserve to live because of their atrocious crimes,however,there is the justice system to decide their fate,not some vigilante with a gun who feels they have a right to murder to even the score.<br/>
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If you follow ...

<t>Chockygirl;1200585 wrote: <br/>
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I would like to read Erik's answer to this.<br/>
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I already answered it on the previous page.<br/>
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"I know there are several medical reasons for people to get an Abortion. However, it changes nothing. Let’s say you had a medical condition ...

<t>gmc;1200387 wrote: But what would you do if your wide/daughter/sister didn't see things your way or see why she should have to carry and bring up a child she didn't want and had no say in whether it be conceived in the first place and just wanted rid of it? Whose choice should it be?<br/>
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Erik,are you not aware of the hypocrisy in your statements?<br/>
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You feel that all life in the womb is sacrosanct,and yet,you feel vindicated that premeditating the murder of the rapist is acceptable....and forgiveable? <br/>
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<r>Hello Kathy, thank you for the warm welcome <E>:)</E> <br/>
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I know that you have such strong feeling about abortion, but I'm wondering why you seem so angry in your discussions. That's only my opinion though. <br/>
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<t>Peg;1199969 wrote: If your wife was raped, would you expect her to carry the product of that rape for 9 months? Would you be willing to raise that child as your own that you wanted her to carry? How about a little sister who is still in school? Would you expect her to carry that child for 9 ...

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I wonder if you'd change your tune then?:rolleyes:<br/>
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I admit, such a situation would be traumatic beyond my comprehension, however, when it comes to doing ...

<t>Chockygirl;1199824 wrote: <br/>
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Oh,yes,and of course a child is conceived without any help from a sperm donor.:rolleyes:<br/>
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Too bad if a woman is raped,I mean afterall some men just can't control their sexual urges and think any woman is his property to violate.<br/>
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<t>Let’s say I entered a lottery where the winner would receive a child from an adoption agency. Now let’s say that, even though I don’t want a child, the process of entering the lottery was so enjoyable I was willing to <br/>
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<t>Chockygirl;1193729 wrote: <br/>
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When I was making plans to travel to the U.S in 2007,that was the main thing that worried me the most that folk have the right to own and carry a gun.<br/>
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At one stage,I had a heated argument with a racist bloke who objected ...

<t>I have a question for you who support gun control. Why? Can you give me one logical reason? The people who would do harm with a firearm would never hand them over, and they have ways of getting them under the radar regardless of any laws. All it would do is disarm the responsible portion of our ...

<t>Accountable;1053743 wrote: The Pledge and Day of National Concern<br/>
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The Student Pledge Against Gun Violence will be observed in schools throughout the country on October 24th, 2007, a Day of National Concern about Young People and Gun Violence. The Pledge encourages young people to take ...

<t>spot;1052160 wrote: On that extreme definition of alcoholic addiction I've been an addict since I left school and I still am. I've had two glasses of wine in the last month but I invariably drink when it suits my mood at the time. Two glasses of an interesting blend from Corbieres which, I ...

koan;535529 wrote: This was a good question from the Recovery Forums intro thread. Thought it deserved a thread of its own.


It crosses the line the moment you desire a drink because of how you feel.

<t>A presidents job is to serve the will of the people, period. Everything else is just political bs and So far Obama and his little friends have done nothing to make me think they are capable of serving anything other than themselves. "Look at us! we will change all the bad naughty things Bush did ...

<t>Odie;1051346 wrote: not all of them shoot themselves here, but its all blame on parenting here!<br/>
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solution: treat schools like airports, security everywhere, devices students & anyone entering have to go thru before getting inside.<br/>
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The kids who do the ...

<t>spot;1050751 wrote: The gunman was a 22-year-old culinary arts student, Matti Juhani Saari. How can you possibly hold his parents accountable for his actions?<br/>
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Kimveer Gill was 25, Valery Fabrikant was 52, Marc Lepine was 25, the list of adult killers on school or college campuses is ...

I say charge the legal guardians of these shooters with murder. The kid is their responsibility.

Of course that would involve dealing with the facts, its easier to just envoke more worthless laws and pat themselves on the back.

<t>School shootings have nothing to do with kids having access to firearms. In fact, this generation has less access to firearms than at any point in our history.<br/>
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