15 Year Olds Should Be Treated The Same??

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:43 am

Just watching tele and Judge Judy from the USA is being interviewed.A question was asked about the youth today and what was her feelings about what is going on these days with more youngsters taking to crime.Her answer amazed me, her reply was.........If a 15 year old or a 50 year old kills someone that person is just as dead and so both should be treated the same...........your thoughts on this statement?

Cow Patty · Post by **Cow Patty** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:45 am

I have to agree with her. At least in my opinion over here in the states the way kids are raised today, 15 isn't what it used to be. The innocence of childhood has been lost.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:47 am

if ya old enough to commit the crime ya old enough to do the time

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:55 am

el guapo;1014133 wrote: if ya old enough to commit the crime ya old enough to do the time
Does that mean no matter how old the guilty party is?

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:56 am

Carolly;1014153 wrote: Does that mean no matter how old the guilty party is?

if they act as an adult they should be treated as such

G-man · Post by **G-man** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:57 am

It depends upon the individual and the specifics concerning the crime. There was a case earlier this year in Oxnard, CA where an openly gay, cross-dressing fifteen year old boy was shot twice and killed by a fourteen year old classmate. The murder was deemed to be a premeditated hate crime and the boy was charged as an adult. The fourteen year old clearly planned it out and understood what he was doing, in that case.

Cow Patty · Post by **Cow Patty** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:57 am

el guapo;1014155 wrote: if they act as an adult they should be treated as such

I have to agree

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:59 am

G-man;1014158 wrote: It depends upon the individual and the specifics concerning the crime. There was a case earlier this year in Oxnard, CA where an openly gay, cross-dressing fifteen year old boy was shot twice and killed by a fourteen year old classmate. The murder was deemed to be a premeditated hate crime and the boy was charged as an adult. The fourteen year old clearly planned it out and understood what he was doing, in that case.What age can "kids" be charged as adults over there G?

G-man · Post by **G-man** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:09 am

I believe the youngest that can be charged as an adult is ten years of age, according to law. I know that there have been several cases where an eleven year old has been charged as an adult, and there may be one case where a ten year old was charged as an adult in Wisconsin for being involved with a mob of teens who killed a man. I know that they were considering treating him as an adult, but I'm not sure how that case ended up going once it went to trial.

Anyway, to answer your question, once again... ten years old is considered the youngest age that a child can be charged as an adult in the US and that varies by state.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:10 am

jimbo;1014175 wrote: most young men with thier hormones out of control really dont have much control over their mood swings , even at 18 they really have not grown up much

i think at 15 they are still very much a child

thats why you cant vote ,drink ,have sex,own a gun and a load of other things

Had to give this some thought, but I agree with Jimbo...

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:12 am

el guapo;1014155 wrote: if they act as an adult they should be treated as such

I fully agree.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:16 am

Kathy Ellen;1014194 wrote: Had to give this some thought, but I agree with Jimbo...

Im undecided but lean towards Jims view.

G-man · Post by **G-man** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:20 am

Here's how that trial that I mentioned earlier in post #10 went.

The ten year old did not end up being charged as an adult. Here's the story.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:38 am

jimbo;1014175 wrote: most young men with thier hormones out of control really dont have much control over their mood swings , even at 18 they really have not grown up much

i think at 15 they are still very much a child

thats why you cant vote ,drink ,have sex,own a gun and a load of other things

Trouble is though apart from voting so many do these things Jim.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:40 am

G-man;1014191 wrote: I believe the youngest that can be charged as an adult is ten years of age, according to law. I know that there have been several cases where an eleven year old has been charged as an adult, and there may be one case where a ten year old was charged as an adult in Wisconsin for being involved with a mob of teens who killed a man. I know that they were considering treating him as an adult, but I'm not sure how that case ended up going once it went to trial.

Anyway, to answer your question, once again... ten years old is considered the youngest age that a child can be charged as an adult in the US and that varies by state.10..........OMG.....Im shocked...totally.

cars · Post by **cars** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:01 am

Sensitive subject!

As most here have said so far, I have to agree with if the youngster (15 is young, but not really an innocent "child") is heinous enough to "KILL" another person, then they should face the same fate as any "killer" would!

An eye for an eye, you kill me, "mine" kill you!

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:10 am

Another remark was also made.It seems that they are taking offenders to visit their victims......dunno if I would want to be laying there feeling "why me" and have a visit from the person who did that to me fgs.

Helen · Post by **Helen** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:25 am

Carolly;1014153 wrote: Does that mean no matter how old the guilty party is?

theres a 95yr old man in custody down here at the moment for death by dangerous driving, not sure of the whole story but it was on the news yesterday.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:46 am

jimbo;1014175 wrote: most young men with thier hormones out of control really dont have much control over their mood swings , even at 18 they really have not grown up much

i think at 15 they are still very much a child

thats why you cant vote ,drink ,have sex,own a gun and a load of other things

was the 17yr old who beat my brother to death with a chair a child

should he have been treated as a child

was he a child when he went out lookin for trouble armed with a spray bottle filled with amomia

now try telling me he was just a child

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:47 am

Kathy Ellen;1014194 wrote: Had to give this some thought, but I agree with Jimbo...Trouble is Kathy some of them want to behave like "grown ups" and yet if they hurt someone suddenly there children again????

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:59 am

I have mixed feeling about 10 and below being tried as adults. Above 10 yes they kill another human being they must do the time. We place so little value on Human Life anymore that we forget that a LIFE was taken by this person. Of course the evidence in the case will be what determines the fate of the killer.

el guapo I'm so sorry this is the side of their actions we forget about. :-1[QUOTE]was the 17yr old who beat my brother to death with a chair a child

should he have been treated as a child

was he a child when he went out lookin for trouble armed with a spray bottle filled with amomia

now try telling me he was just a child [/QUOTE]

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:07 pm

el guapo;1014337 wrote: was the 17yr old who beat my brother to death with a chair a child

should he have been treated as a child

was he a child when he went out lookin for trouble armed with a spray bottle filled with amomia

now try telling me he was just a childNo.........sorry but 17 is not a child IMO and surely he wasn't treated as one fgs?

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:09 pm

Carolly;1014370 wrote: No.........sorry but 17 is not a child IMO and surely he wasn't treated as one fgs?

court treated him as one:mad:

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:13 pm

el guapo;1014371 wrote: court treated him as one:mad:OMG....well im shocked to say the least....dunno what to say....what happened to the bastard?

Omni_Skittles · Post by **Omni_Skittles** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:55 pm

Carolly;1014129 wrote: Just watching tele and Judge Judy from the USA is being interviewed.A question was asked about the youth today and what was her feelings about what is going on these days with more youngsters taking to crime.Her answer amazed me, her reply was.........If a 15 year old or a 50 year old kills someone that person is just as dead and so both should be treated the same...........your thoughts on this statement?I agree... why? Because i remember being 15... and if i remember correctly... if had killed someone... i knew i was doing it...

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:31 pm

Omni_Skittles;1014398 wrote: I agree... why? Because i remember being 15... and if i remember correctly... if had killed someone... i knew i was doing it...Good comment Omni;)

Omni_Skittles · Post by **Omni_Skittles** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:37 pm

Carolly;1014440 wrote: Good comment Omni;)But it's true... Am i wrong? I mean if you can have a kid at 13... by conscious choice... then i think a 15 year old killing someone knows... just like the 13 year old knows... and don't tell me they are innocent... i remember being 13...

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:40 pm

Regardless of age, a person found guilty of murder, should be punished. IMO

Not all types of punishment is effective for all quilty parties.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:40 pm

jimbo;1014175 wrote: most young men with thier hormones out of control really dont have much control over their mood swings , even at 18 they really have not grown up much

i think at 15 they are still very much a child

thats why you cant vote ,drink ,have sex,own a gun and a load of other things

I think this new law in Britain that we are keeping kids on at school until they are 17 is ridiculous, after all, who's going to pick their kids up from school? :wah:

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:56 pm

Omni_Skittles;1014443 wrote: But it's true... Am i wrong? I mean if you can have a kid at 13... by conscious choice... then i think a 15 year old killing someone knows... just like the 13 year old knows... and don't tell me they are innocent... i remember being 13...Omni I have my own thoughts on this matter as many others will have theirs....yes you will be right to so many but others will be angry as they will regard somebody of 15 still a child.......as for me.....I was working at 15 ....I kept a house at 15.....I knew right from wrong at 15.......does that say how I feel on this subject.Still shocked a Judge should say it though.

Omni_Skittles · Post by **Omni_Skittles** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:02 pm

Carolly;1014457 wrote: Omni I have my own thoughts on this matter as many others will have theirs....yes you will be right to so many but others will be angry as they will regard somebody of 15 still a child.......as for me.....I was working at 15 ....I kept a house at 15.....I knew right from wrong at 15.......does that say how I feel on this subject.Still shocked a Judge should say it though.i see your point... I'm going to think more on it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:17 pm

I stopped watching Judge Judy, i found her hypocritical. There have been similar cases where she has taken a different stance each time. She doesn't seem to stick to the same code of ethics right the way through.

I feel it is sensationalised t.v. viewing.

15 year olds can have children and bring them up maturaly and better than some old mum's so i do believe they have a good grasp of what they are doing. Some just grow up quicker though.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:18 pm

Omni_Skittles;1014462 wrote: i see your point... I'm going to think more on it.Ok;)

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:21 pm

CARLA;1014358 wrote: I have mixed feeling about 10 and below being tried as adults. Above 10 yes they kill another human being they must do the time. We place so little value on Human Life anymore that we forget that a LIFE was taken by this person. Of course the evidence in the case will be what determines the fate of the killer.

Strong statement but a very true one.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:30 pm

oscar;1014446 wrote: I think this new law in Britain that we are keeping kids on at school until they are 17 is ridiculous, after all, who's going to pick their kids up from school? :wah:
:wah::wah:Very true though;)

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:09 pm

oscar;1014471 wrote: I stopped watching Judge Judy, i found her hypocritical. There have been similar cases where she has taken a different stance each time. She doesn't seem to stick to the same code of ethics right the way through.

I feel it is sensationalised t.v. viewing.

15 year olds can have children and bring them up maturaly and better than some old mum's so i do believe they have a good grasp of what they are doing. Some just grow up quicker though.Maybe but the statement made me stop and think thats for sure.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:35 pm

jimbo;1014175 wrote: most young men with thier hormones out of control really dont have much control over their mood swings , even at 18 they really have not grown up much

i think at 15 they are still very much a child

thats why you cant vote ,drink ,have sex,own a gun and a load of other things

Blaming hormones is no defense...even if they are having mood swings it doesn't justify killing someone. My middle daughters(20) boyfriend(also 20) hits and beats up on her. Yes, she is an idiot for staying cuz she has so many options to get out. This boyfriend shot and killed someone when he was 12 as a gang member and has been in and out of jail ever since. He is scum and should have been locked up for good a long time ago. His psychiatrist blames it all on him being Bipolar....well I'm Bipolar with major depression and I've never killed anyone. You still know right from wrong.

They don't vote, but that's about it...they have access to everything else if they want it either by gang affiliation or just by knowing someone that knows someone, and so on...I say lock 'em up and keep them there.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:23 am

jimbo;1014801 wrote: ok i you think they are responsible at say 12 ,i bet you let your kids drive , smoke ,drink ,have sex , not do their homework , not go to school and a whole lot of other stuff :rolleyes:

i happen to like you (not much:wah:) so i know you would not of allowed your offspring to do any of that stuff

why ...

because they are bloody kids for crying out loud ... case closed :wah:

My point is that by the age of 12 they understand what it means to die...they also

knows what it means to kill...they know the difference between right and wrong. I do know if they would have kept this pig in jail, he wouldn't be able to do what he's doing to my daughter.(honestly, knowing her, she'd just be with someone else that does the same thing!:-5)

The problem with kids is that you can't keep an eye on them 24/7...drugs, guns, sex...they can get them around or in school. By the age of 12 all of my daughters we're responsible enough to not have sex, do drugs, drink, and they did their homework without me telling them too. This is age 12!This thread is about a 15yr old...they are responsible for their actions. Now the case is closed.

:wah:

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:58 am

jimbo;1014828 wrote: its still open a fraction :p

why dont they let 15 year olds drive cars .vote blah blah yada yada yappa yappa

coz they are not deemed responsible now the case is closed :wah::p:p

should have locked it Jimbutt.

My girls were all 15 when they started driving...they were on permits, but out on the streets and highways. :p Some states kids can get their license at 14. :p

I think the voting thing would be a mess cuz kids would vote who their friends were voting for. It all comes down to a lot, but not always, peer pressure. It's a way to be accepted in certain groups, gives them the feeling of being a leader and gives them status. But they still know it's wrong! And some of them are just pure evil...a killing is a prize to them.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:23 am

I think you need to look at each case on it's merits. Under 16 children yes perhaps not tried as an adult but that doesn't mean you let them away with it. teenagers get in to fights and sometimes kill without meaning to-we've probably all been in situations where tempers are lost but as an adult you learn to control yourself as a teenager you don't always think things through first.

The concept of a trial by jury in a murder case to take account of the actual motives is a very ancient one societies developed to stop blood feuds between groups or to stop a ruler having too much power of life and death over their people. An eye for an eye is a knee jerk reaction the question is does it actually help prevent such things happening in the future? Probably not.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:52 am

Carolly;1014372 wrote: OMG....well im shocked to say the least....dunno what to say....what happened to the bastard?

12yrs if he had been 1 week older he would have got 20 plus yrs

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:22 am

el guapo;1014866 wrote: 12yrs if he had been 1 week older he would have got 20 plus yrsThat sucks big time.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:55 am

shelbell;1014788 wrote: Blaming hormones is no defense...even if they are having mood swings it doesn't justify killing someone. My middle daughters(20) boyfriend(also 20) hits and beats up on her. Yes, she is an idiot for staying cuz she has so many options to get out. This boyfriend shot and killed someone when he was 12 as a gang member and has been in and out of jail ever since. He is scum and should have been locked up for good a long time ago. His psychiatrist blames it all on him being Bipolar....well I'm Bipolar with major depression and I've never killed anyone. You still know right from wrong.

They don't vote, but that's about it...they have access to everything else if they want it either by gang affiliation or just by knowing someone that knows someone, and so on...I say lock 'em up and keep them there.My heart goes out to you Shell it really does.To see ones daughter treated like this must hurt you so much.....some are blinded by love I guess and we fell like shaking them and saying......open yer eyes fgs....they have their own mind and we may question it but not alot more we can do.

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:18 am

a 15 year old would definitely know what they were doing. As for how they should be punished I dunno.......... I lean towards thinking they should be punished in the same way as anyone else would.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:27 am

sunny104;1015153 wrote: a 15 year old would definitely know what they were doing. As for how they should be punished I dunno.......... I lean towards thinking they should be punished in the same way as anyone else would.I think us in England are some what "easier" on young people than in the USA......not saying this is right though...when do we mentally become an adult is the question and do some of us ever??

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:24 pm

i agree with J. Judy too. Too many kids are literally getting away with MURDER. If you are old enough to kill someone. then you are old enough to pay the price. When i was a kid. you just did not hear of 15 year olds killing someone on purpose, anyway.